That’s the first I’ve read the recommendation to use A’dex regardless of gyno/bloat symptoms. The typical advice, including advice I’ve given, is to gauge the a’dex dosing based off symptoms, primarily bloat, which at least for me, is the first symptom to show. And, if I have a fairly regular cardio routine mixed in the cycle, the bloat has stayed completely at bay.
That’s very interesting. My next cycle, I will do exactly what you suggest. Halfway through, regardless if feeling bloat or not, I’ll incorporate the a’dex to monitor mood and fat gain. I’m curious to see/feel the differences.
I recall Schwarzenegger talking about manipulating a’dex dosing during cycling to try to maintain that ‘feel good’ feeling. That must’ve been to what he was referring.
test is awesome…but anything higher than 700 mg/week requires the use of an AI. without an AI in there i experience libido crash.
AI is not optional. E2 will always rise and has negative effects beyond libido and gyno. It limits your gains as E is competitive with T and parks in the T receptors and blocks T. There is fat gain and feminine fat patterns, bloat and various mental problems.
Guys on TRT at 100mg/wk need anastrozole. They can really suffer without it. They are not cycling, but permanently on. The negatives become all too obvious. Things might not develop as much for some in 10 weeks.
I recommend AI from day one, tapering down through PCT and for an indeterminate amount of time past TRT at .5mk/wk which can be scaled up by body weight against a 160 pound reference.
This thinking that one does not need an AI is wishful thinking. Try a cycle on AI and judge for your self. Or start AI after 6 weeks and observe changes. Established practice of saving AI for gyno or bloat is simply not good practice. Make the best of your cycle.[/quote]
My ‘TRT’ is 300mg per week of enanthate and i havent used an AI, ive had no need. Dont really need one until i get to 500mg mark, and thats only for bloat really, as stated clean diet and some cardio and i dont need it at all.
Not to argue, just that it is not true to every case.
Now can we get back to the real issue at hand here, horny women.
800mg per week of test, some cialis, 100mg of ephredine and some sugar free, protein enriched chocolate sauce…
My ‘TRT’ is 300mg per week of enanthate and i havent used an AI, ive had no need. Dont really need one until i get to 500mg mark, and thats only for bloat really, as stated clean diet and some cardio and i dont need it at all.
Not to argue, just that it is not true to every case.
Now can we get back to the real issue at hand here, horny women.
800mg per week of test, some cialis, 100mg of ephredine and some sugar free, protein enriched chocolate sauce…
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You may be wasting some of the potential of the gear that you are taking. Try it 1.2 way through a cycle and decide if it has any benefit for you. There is an optimal level for E2 and “not bloated yet” is not it.
You may be wasting some of the potential of the gear that you are taking. Try it 1.2 way through a cycle and decide if it has any benefit for you. There is an optimal level for E2 and “not bloated yet” is not it.[/quote]
I dont know if you have read the article Bushy has posted on GH protocols but the author mentions adex several times for off cycle use as well.
Thanks for the pointer though KSman, i will do some more reading up on this.
So even running enanthate at only 150mg 2x per week for my ‘trt’ do you think adex could improve the quality of everything in general.
It could be well worth trying as i could maybe drop the actual test dose, i think 300mg per week is maybe a little too much to be permanently on though my lipid values remain healthy.
test is awesome…but anything higher than 700 mg/week requires the use of an AI. without an AI in there i experience libido crash.
AI is not optional. E2 will always rise and has negative effects beyond libido and gyno. It limits your gains as E is competitive with T and parks in the T receptors and blocks T. There is fat gain and feminine fat patterns, bloat and various mental problems.
Guys on TRT at 100mg/wk need anastrozole. They can really suffer without it. They are not cycling, but permanently on. The negatives become all too obvious. Things might not develop as much for some in 10 weeks.
I recommend AI from day one, tapering down through PCT and for an indeterminate amount of time past TRT at .5mk/wk which can be scaled up by body weight against a 160 pound reference.
This thinking that one does not need an AI is wishful thinking. Try a cycle on AI and judge for your self. Or start AI after 6 weeks and observe changes. Established practice of saving AI for gyno or bloat is simply not good practice. Make the best of your cycle.[/quote]
I condone AI use, and have used a moderate dose of one in 90% of my cycles (always now). For me personally, once i cross that 700-800 mg a week threshold i need serious E control or I get terribles sides. It was just a personal observation based on my experience. Your post mirrors what I have found through trial and error and is very accurate.
i mean that you need to be “smart” cause the war against AAS is stronger and stronger and you can find a lot of “problem” with law and society etc etc etc.
So it is better to be wise and take your “secrets”.
A truth for me personally is that I respond well to Test. The “It doesn’t kick in for X# of weeks…” rule does not seem to apply. I start seeing results in a week or two usually.
The “Test doesnt kick in for x# of weeks” doesnt apply to me either. I feel it in a day, sometimes less!
And yes, women can probably smell Test, and man do I get horny on cycle! One of the reason I am AND STAY so horny is probably E control with an AI, so I agree with KSman.
“You don’t have to cycle - done correctly you can stay on all year round”
Can you give the details on how you do it? You don’t “have” to cycle but what about lipid levels and the like?
I have tried test in various froms, tren, EQ, dbol, and anadrol. Test is my favorite for size, strength, and good living.
I prefer multi ester blends of test- Sustanon, super 250, supertest 350, etc.
As noted above- girls seem to sense the extra test in your body. I get flirts off of 20 year old chicks that I totally am unworthy of when I am on the good gravy.
Androgenic acne is real as fuck. Maybe that’s why young chicks dig me when I’m on- there used to getting a little pepperoni on their pizzas.
BUshy came the closest, the truth is…no one can tell you shit about how any gear will act in your body. Bro-knowledge from bodybuilding boards is 99% of the time ignorance passed from one person to the next claimed as fact. Stay on teh drugs for about 20 years and then you will know alot. AND…i notice all these threads about how low doses work so well, bullshit, don’t kid yourself, try taking 3-5 grams of pharmacy grade test (not UG poison) per week for two months and then tell me it didn’t work exponentially better than 500mg. And on the same note UG labs pretty much suck ass, if there is any active component it is probably limited and the solvents are likely out of balance which is why people get sick when they try to use a dose that is worthwhile…and while i am rambling there are no pros taking less than 3 grams per week i don’t give a shit what they claim in public.
" there are no pros taking less than 3 grams per week i don’t give a shit what they claim in public."
As you said yourself everyone reacts differently. And the pros claim they are drug free… So who knows what they are taking? It probably varies a lot depending on the guy.
Guys like Prisoner (while not yet a pro he’s on his way if he keeps adding his 5-10 pounds every year) have stated that they take around 1g a week.
BTW where is he? I havent seen him post in a while. His input would be certainly profound.
i don’t think any pros claim they are drug free…and actually i do know what they take, as far as p22 he has an incrdible physique and that is the standard that people SHOULD aim for, but i think he would be the first to admit the pros (meaning the heavies) are taking HUGE amount of drugs 3 grams is conservative.
shea butter lotion WILL be needed. stretch marks are good and bad good because theyre like scars, trophies in a way ya know? bad because well they get out of hand and you got some 'splainin to do!