[quote]cadav wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Interesting to hear all the praise for IGF. Something I have to look into more.
I can’t compare to MGF or GH (not tried yet) but IGF is really the nicer stuff i have tried (other than Test ;)…)[/quote]
It’s definitely intriguing. I’ve gots to do my homework.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
It’s definitely intriguing. I’ve gots to do my homework.[/quote]
the real problem is that it is hard to find “here” 
but give it a try. I think it is the better PCT support you can find. And it is nice to see its effects months after the last IM 
It is happy juice.
I think it’d cure most men’s depressions when in mid life and beyond.
things i’ve learned about AAS when applied to myself…
test is awesome…but anything higher than 700 mg/week requires the use of an AI. without an AI in there i experience libido crash.
more is NOT better. gains are certainly not dose dependant.
i love tren. but i sweat like a mofo at night and it gives me gyno when stacked with test…unless i run an AI aggressively throughout.
letro kills gyno…well, nothing but surgery “kills” it, but it at least it reduces the glands to a point where it is not noticeable.
the test taper is ideal for recovery from long cycles.
a taper plus SERM application works for me.
standard PCT sucks after a long cycle. however, it is effective for shorter cycles.
masteron gives insane pumps when approaching 500 mg plus per week. it is best in the 3-400 range.
the most effective total dosage for me is in the 800 - 1200 mg range. higher provides no additional benefit, just more sides. lower simply maintains what is there.
brewing high concentration gear is stupid. keep long esters in the 250-300 mg/ml range. higher than that and your gear will most likely hurt like a bitch.
when your gear hurts like a bitch. cut it with sterile oil. no more pain.
it is best to be proactive, not reactive when it comes to minimizing side effects.
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
the test taper is ideal for recovery from long cycles.
a taper plus SERM application works for me.
standard PCT sucks after a long cycle. however, it is effective for shorter cycles.
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These three are really interesting to me, and seem to back up a lot of the “case studies” I read on these boards.
[quote]Boxer666 wrote:
yellow armpits = high testosterone[/quote]
Yellow armpits = you should stick to plain deodorant when you wear your white T’s. Saved me a lot of hassle and self-consciousness.
Cool idea for a thread, fellas.
If you are prone to hair loss, expect to shed some hair while on test. This possible side effect is very real. consider propecia if prone to hairloss.
Dbol-only cycles are fun but I will unlikely do them again. Why not? Because of the opportunity cost while on such a cycle. If you are going to shutdown your endogenous test, might as well make it worth it and do an injectable cycle and build / keep some muscle when it’s all said and done.
Individuals with aggressive, temperamental personalities are likely to be emotionally overwhelmed by Tren, while more “sane”, tame individuals report tren as increasing feelings of well being.
Cialis during PCT can save your relationship.
Bump. This is a good thread, everyone should list their experience here, even if it is repeated.
While periodically cycling and later subscribing to a self diagnosed need for trt, i have discovered i am capable of more than i ever imagined.
Bodybuilding opened numerous doors to me, made me think, maybe i could make more of myself if i struggle hard enough.
Test knocked the fucking walls down and propelled me though like a missile.
I dont worry about anything anymore really, i just tackle it head on.
Oh,
And im almost certain women can smell high levels of testosterone in your blood 
Might be worth a mention, but might open up a can of worms, T3 isnt really all that bad when used sensibly - and yes, without steroids.
[quote]testanabol wrote:
Oh,
And im almost certain women can smell high levels of testosterone in your blood ;)[/quote]
I completely agree with this, and I’m not joking. Something is different on high levels of testosterone, and I’m pretty sure it goes beyond a heightened sense of awareness and general horniness. The amount of women who deliberately come on to me (in front of their boyfriends or my wife!) does increase when I am on and their aggression increases in tandem.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
testanabol wrote:
Oh,
And im almost certain women can smell high levels of testosterone in your blood
I completely agree with this, and I’m not joking. Something is different on high levels of testosterone, and I’m pretty sure it goes beyond a heightened sense of awareness and general horniness. The amount of women who deliberately come on to me (in front of their boyfriends or my wife!) does increase when I am on and their aggression increases in tandem.[/quote]
I’ve noticed this as well.
i have learned… i like them way too much.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Oral only cycles, if and when constructed intelligently and appropriately, can and will produce strength and size gains of which a good portion can be kept.
Along the lines of what Mbaina said, it all depends on your diet and training to what degree you keep said gains, aside from cycle length and pct used or not used. I’d almost say the diet and training is more important, especially, or at least, on a short end cycle, 4 weeks or less.
While a lot of our "vets" here realize this, it's still a widely held belief that you can't with oral only cycles.
Just my 2 cents, as I have done quite a few oral only, but only two injectable cycles.
Really cool idea for a thread Cortes!!
ToneBone
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Couldn’t have said it better Tone. Nice job.
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Oral only cycles, if and when constructed intelligently and appropriately, can and will produce strength and size gains of which a good portion can be kept.
Along the lines of what Mbaina said, it all depends on your diet and training to what degree you keep said gains, aside from cycle length and pct used or not used. I’d almost say the diet and training is more important, especially, or at least, on a short end cycle, 4 weeks or less.
While a lot of our "vets" here realize this, it's still a widely held belief that you can't with oral only cycles.
Just my 2 cents, as I have done quite a few oral only, but only two injectable cycles.
Really cool idea for a thread Cortes!!
ToneBone
Couldn’t have said it better Tone. Nice job.
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Thanks buddy.
Great to see you hanging around more often again.
an other couple of “truths”:
1-Trust no one, build up your knowledge
2-Be patient learn to walk then run
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
Cortes wrote:
testanabol wrote:
Oh,
And im almost certain women can smell high levels of testosterone in your blood
I completely agree with this, and I’m not joking. Something is different on high levels of testosterone, and I’m pretty sure it goes beyond a heightened sense of awareness and general horniness. The amount of women who deliberately come on to me (in front of their boyfriends or my wife!) does increase when I am on and their aggression increases in tandem.
I’ve noticed this as well.[/quote]
I think you guys are def on to something here and I’m already envisioning some creative (and selfish) attempts at scientific validation for this.
And since I know some of you are married, be very wary of Vegas during these spring and summer months!
[quote]chillain wrote:
Jelly Roll wrote:
Cortes wrote:
testanabol wrote:
Oh,
And im almost certain women can smell high levels of testosterone in your blood
I completely agree with this, and I’m not joking. Something is different on high levels of testosterone, and I’m pretty sure it goes beyond a heightened sense of awareness and general horniness. The amount of women who deliberately come on to me (in front of their boyfriends or my wife!) does increase when I am on and their aggression increases in tandem.
I’ve noticed this as well.
I think you guys are def on to something here and I’m already envisioning some creative (and selfish) attempts at scientific validation for this.
And since I know some of you are married, be very wary of Vegas during these spring and summer months!
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LMAO at this Chillz.
How many Vegas runs you down for this year?
Ha, haa…Use protection now buddy ok?
ToneBone
Lol Tonebro, it seems like it’s gotten a little crazier every year, and by now it’s just completely out of hand.
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
test is awesome…but anything higher than 700 mg/week requires the use of an AI. without an AI in there i experience libido crash.
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AI is not optional. E2 will always rise and has negative effects beyond libido and gyno. It limits your gains as E is competitive with T and parks in the T receptors and blocks T. There is fat gain and feminine fat patterns, bloat and various mental problems.
Guys on TRT at 100mg/wk need anastrozole. They can really suffer without it. They are not cycling, but permanently on. The negatives become all too obvious. Things might not develop as much for some in 10 weeks.
I recommend AI from day one, tapering down through PCT and for an indeterminate amount of time past TRT at .5mk/wk which can be scaled up by body weight against a 160 pound reference.
This thinking that one does not need an AI is wishful thinking. Try a cycle on AI and judge for your self. Or start AI after 6 weeks and observe changes. Established practice of saving AI for gyno or bloat is simply not good practice. Make the best of your cycle.