Sure it can technically happen (your instance not the first one) but it’s like when a daily chain smoker lives to be over 100yrs old. It’s A stat, but obviously extreme outliers serve very little purpose.
Dude, that would require him to work 156 wks. per year. That totally doesn’t math.
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If you can make the math work for your example, I’ll proudly stand for your Nobel speech 
I know its crazy, but I saw the pay stub. I’m assuming 10.50 because he was on machine operator (green button pusher) scale.
Numerical ambiguities notwithstanding, have you ever worked 96-100+ hour weeks?
I’m not doubting your honesty, merely the numbers. That was why I made the crack about embezzling.
The closest I’ve ever come was a 2-3 month period where I was hitting 80-85 a week after my daughter was born. But I was a 1099 contractor at the time so the first 40 paid like the 2nd 40, no OT for me.
I ended up burning out pretty quickly though. Basically ended up tanking that entire semester at college. 100% not worth it
I don’t take it as a personal slight. I didn’t pry into every detail of wage and holiday pay ++++, because I was utterly flabbergasted myself.
Nah. When you’re working toward something better it really isn’t.
I guess my overarching point to aall of this is that we hear all kinds of stuff about wage, but when it comes to hours worked a lot of people are locked into 2080 thinking (40x52). The thing is, when you put in the extra effort, more often than not, good things happen. People see that diligence, the next job is better, etc.
Like people think that minimum wage should be liveable @ 40 hrs/week when hardly anybody that makes more than minimum ever works 40 or less. At least none that I know.
edit: A little tidbit- One old buddy of mine used to talk endless shit out of envy on another friend. Friend 1 was a half assed landscaper, but did ok. Friend 2 was an anesthesiologist at a world leading medical university. Friend 1 was ranting about how its bullshit that 2 makes X00k per year. I finally looked at him and said “He just finished a 6 organ transplant that took like 70 hrs. What the fuck have you done for the last 3 days?”
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Eh I just wish I had taken the semester off instead of thinking I could handle everything at once. Guess learning priorities the hard way isn’t fun.
A lot of this is tied to the vast vast majority of American businesses running that way.
I’ve worked at McDonalds (where you’d get written up for accidentally getting OT), a Subway inside a walmart (OT capped at 5 hours a week for managers, 0 hours for non managers, Walmart employees had a strict no OT rule. 2nd offense was a ticket to the parking lot) and a wife who’s worked a slew of waitress jobs that worked the exact same way.
The big guys (Walmart/McD/etc) aka the major employers in the country do NOT allow OT. It’s simply bad for business.
The only exception I have in personal experience was the mortgage company I worked at. They’d let me hit ~15 hours a week of OT before they’d ask me to slow down. But most of that was tied to me being the only person in the company that knew how to work with data in a business sense.
Edit: Also more specifically to that point, since federal minimum wage and nearly every poverty metric is based on 40x52 it would be insane to me to evaluate the govt’s end numbers on anything but 40x52.
I’ve heard of that, and don’t doubt it. I’ve just never seen it. Just the opposite, like “If we don’t finish this Costco job on time, its a 50k/day penalty.” followed by us pulling consecutive 18’s and 24’s.
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Good to hear. It’s obnoxiously beyond above the dominant of the 2 types.
TBH I love those kinda places. Places that will let you work yourself into the next tax bracket are too rare. They also seem to always have historically low turnover.
Again, high unemployment does not mean there is a lack of jobs. It may mean the unemployed don’t want to work those jobs (or are not qualified to work those jobs). It could also mean that those who claim they want to work are lying and thus are not “unemployed.” Then you have people who are unemployed because they are unemployable. Believe it or not, not everyone can work in fast food or any other type of customer service job, or jobs that require literacy or basic math skills.
When the economy is down, its possible there aren’t enough jobs to employ everyone. This is Cyclical Unemployment, related to what’s going on in the business cycle.
Not really sure how this tangent is so important. Unemployment is not higher in low cost areas than in NYC. There is not a situation where people are choosing between a high cost area with jobs and a low cost area without them.
You all seem to be talking about different types of unemployment. You should probably clarify what type of unemployment you’re referring to: structural, frictional, regional, classical or cyclical.
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Linking you guys because you 3 are up on the memo news and seem to care one way or another. I’d like to start off by saying that I believe Clinton has done far worse than fund a hit piece dossier. Also if Mueller doesn’t get Trump on foreign collusion he should be able to get him on crooked business deals with mobsters, that’s pretty well known.
I’d like to talk about what this whole cluster#@$% reveals about the patriot act and it’s ramifications ignoring the partisan implications of this specific scenario. Might make for a good thread, I dunno. My half-baked conclusions:
A handful of Saudi idiots overstayed their visas and stole some planes and they managed to kill over 3,000 people.
In response we gave the federal government vast new surveillance powers so they could protect us from the threat of terrorism. Since this worried some people we invented the FISA court to watch over the agencies and ensure that all serveilance was warranted.
Since then we’ve discovered that the NSA was playing very fast and loose with alot of those rules through wikileaks.
We’ve found out that Loretta Lynch was unmasking Americans names from this surveillance and then distributing it to people with a lower security clearance.
Today we find out that an unverified piece of political opposition research was used at least partially to secure a FISA warrant. We also know that the DOJ knew who funded the dossier but didn’t disclose it to the FISA judge.
I don’t know if we should give our government KGB/SS level spying authority to keep us safe. But if we do I think it would require at least a base level of trust that the DOJ will use that scary power appropriately. Given what we know now, do you guys trust the DOJ has earned the public’s trust?
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Not to nitpick, but:
Setting aside whether it’s fair to describe the dossier as “unverified,” this act is not in and of itself illegal, inappropriate or unethical.
We don’t know whether appropriate disclosure was performed in this regard.
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OK, on to the main thrust of your comment:
Yeah, that’s a tough one. It’s an age-old dilemma–how much freedom should one give up in the name of security.
For me, the issue is not the trustworthiness of the DOJ so much as it is the fact that Congress seems to have lost the ability to perform its oversight function.
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What does “good” congressional oversight of spying look like? The NSA was collecting data on every phone call and email without FISA warrants and it took wikileaks for Congress to learn that.
Congress gets beat up on for being mostly incompetent (fairly). But I don’t think that in the best times your average senator or congressman understands espionage well enough to have oversight of it.
Or is it a case of out of sight, out of mind?
As far as not understanding espionage well enough to have oversight of it; there are many things they don’t know well yet they have oversight of them.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t that power given to them by Congress? Pleading ignorance seems weird here
Then they should spend less time on breaks and more time learning. It’d be like a guy who has access to unlimited job training saying he isn’t prep’d to do his job
My point exactly. I hate the surveillance state though. Hard for me to be very impartial about all this. Just seems like the oversight is asleep at the wheel.
My comment was more geared towards the WikiLeaks part, but yes I agree. Hard to unring that bell, and it’s not like the American public is fond of learning from it’s mistakes in a timely fashion
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