Trump Has Invited Putin to Washington for a Fall Summit

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I had a whole lot of angry and cynical replies to the answer to this question; but I sincerely ask the supporters of Trump (@Basement_Gainz; @verne; @norse84 and others…)

Why?

Why invite someone who has created untold death, destruction and chaos in the World?

Why invite someone who attacked; and continues to attack; the very foundations of our Republic and that of our Allies?

Do the concerns, and subsequent resolutions of our Congress; many of whom are Republican; mean nothing?

What is to be accomplished?
What is the Goal?
What is the End Game?

Once again…I am at a complete loss…

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So are you talking about the leaders of China, Israel? several others actually would fit this description at any given time in history. Why do you engage in diplomacy with somebody you consider bad? Again China is a perfect example. They are hideously evil compared to our standards. Their espionage in our country is extreme. Yes they do try to interfere with public opinion, just as the Russians did and just as we do in so many countries of the world, Some of the most extreme examples of the USAs interference in other nations elections, would actually be in Russia.

What would be the endgame? A better relationship, that’s the goal. To take enemies and make them less of an enemy. Take China as an example, we’ve been working on them my entire life. And the old USSR was a deadly portentously world killing enemy. Russia is not, so there is an improvement already

Should we try to improve our relationship with Russia and China? Or would you prefer we engage in a war with them?

This is pretty quickly slapped together reply. I hope it helps

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Because the alt-right loves Putin.

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Well, it’s probably because the EU is our biggest global foe right now. I mean, Russia is a foe in certain respects, and China sort of a foe, but that doesn’t mean they’re bad, it just means they’re competitive.

As for Russia meddling, it could be Russia. Or someone else.

Sorry, I couldn’t help it, Mufasa. I got nothing.

In case people are wondering -

In an interview with “CBS Evening News” anchor Jeff Glor in Scotland on Saturday, President Trump named the European Union – comprising some of America’s oldest allies – when asked to identify his “biggest foe globally right now.”

“Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn’t think of the European Union, but they’re a foe. Russia is foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly they are a foe. But that doesn’t mean they are bad. It doesn’t mean anything. It means that they are competitive.”

And this gem.

“I accept our intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election took place,” Trump said Tuesday. But he added, as he usually does, “It could be other people also. A lot of people out there…"

In other words, it was Russia… Or it could have been someone else.

Sorry, I haven’t been following the Russia thread. You guys have probably already talked about those.

It’s like watching a comedy skit, except it’s our president.

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I’m starting to think that these Russians have some hypnotic powers.

2001 Bush - “I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country.”

Then the Obama Reset fail, underestimating them and mocking Romney, and hot mic fiasco,
…leaning toward Medvedev Obama, “This is my last election … After my election I have more flexibility,” Obama said, expressing confidence that he would win a second term.
“I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” said Medvedev, Putin’s protégé and long considered number two in Moscow’s power structure.

Now Trump.

Our last few presidents seem to loose their minds then they talk to Russians.

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He wants a do over for the disaster he had in Finland right before the election. Won’t help, it’s still the same trump. Congress should insist on no private meetings though but I doubt they will.

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Probably this. An opportunity for a do over.

I knew he was going to recast what he said. He and his aides were talking about the “miscue” and about how he “misspoke” on Air Force One on the trip home. He knows it looked very bad. I think this is the closest he ever comes to saying he was wrong.

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Thanks, @verne.

Okay; let’s concede that we always negotiate with bad guys, and that a better relationship is the Goal…

Wouldn’t you concede that the timing of such a summit is questionable at best; as well as making a public display of friendship and cooperation with such a bad actor?

Wouldn’t it be better to have intense, behind-the-scenes negotiations at a time when Russia is so publicly creating chaos in our own Country and around the World?

Something as public as a Summit seems so ill-timed to me.

I am beginning to think @anon71262119 is onto something…
Our leaders appear to be under some trance when it comes to this man.

Putin is good at what he does…damn good…

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Why would you not expect this to be happening, whilst a general friendly front is put on for the public. This is literally what every single even half-successful negotiation looks like.

The alternative is for the Russian president and the American president to negotiate without it escaping into the public space.

How can you have that when both sides have the Trump card of going public if negotiations are looking poor on their end.

Not so bad for Putin, he can just have anyone who can leverage the situation disappear. But it’s a no-win situation for the US. The alternative, be accomodating, casts Putin as they guy who had a golden opportunity and squandered it if he doesn’t come to the party.

Now that is something that could make a dent in his invincible position.

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@strongmangoals:

Most likely I am making my point poorly. (Which is not unusual when I discuss Trump’s actions).

My feeling is that the less public displays of legitimacy for Putin the better…(or maybe not?)

Again; I’m at a loss…

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You might as well be asking why Trump met with Kim. Is peace something you dont want to have in the world? Besides, what kind of chaos and death are you talking about? You do realize that its mainly America when comes to invading countries and toppling world leaders, right?

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You can’t get away from meeting the Russian president.

Putin’s statements about:

  • the cold war being from a bygone era
  • not support Iran if they move into Syria
  • support for denuclearising N. Korea (in the context of Chinese relations)

These are all good things to come out this meeting. Shame the hysteria of treason has masked that.

Yes, Putin may have little intent of backing his words but it is a step away from actively and publicly boosting tyrants.

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When Putin says “Cold War is in the past” it means “disband NATO so I can do whatever the fuck I want and invade whomever I want”

Newsflash - Iran is already in Syria. Russian troops are fighting alongside Iranian Revolutionary Guardsmen in Syria.

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Umm…

What good things? Russia is unilaterally claiming they’ve reached “secret verbal agreements with Trump” all at America’s expense.

Oh, before anyone anyone starts hero worshiping Putin you should know that he’s in a lot of trouble on the domestic front, which even the PR from the World Cup failed to mask.

Trump is literally throwing him a lifeline.

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Trump has no interest in disbanding NATO but he wouldn’t mind using Putin to leverage a better arrangement.

I meant Isreal, my apologies

Ofcourse he is. Isn’t that the plan? Trust doesn’t matter in Russia. Putin runs a dictatorship

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But twice…and so close together…at a time of frayed relations with Allies…and at a time when when are indicting his operative and continuing our investigation into the extent in which the Russians distorted out elections?

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No, it doesn’t, for lots of reasons. This is a meeting with an adversarial foreign power looking for weakness in the liberal global leader and America’s position - stated another way, Putin wants to do his next Georgia or Crimea, and he wants to see if his primary opponent (NATO) is still up to the task of stopping Russian advancement.

There is no strategic advantage is sowing the discord that comes with throwing your own intelligence agency under the bus to suck up to a murderous autocrat who should be our foe.

And no, merely being tough on Putin isn’t tantamount to “going to war” with Russia. That’s a false choice uttered by Trumpkins. Toughness prevents war, also known as “peace through strength”, which used to be the foreign policy card of Reagan’s Republican Party - no longer since the party has been co-opted by bootlicking sycophants who want to stay in the good graces of foreign strongmen.

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Is this a serious question?

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See that graph in my previous post? Notice that both spikes in domestic support for Putin occurred with military interventions abroad - Georgia and Ukraine.

So you’re giving Putin a carte blanche to invade probably the Baltic States in the hope that it will scare Angela Merkel into increasing Germany’s defense spending?

Do you know that NATO allies (who had over 1000 KIAs in Afghanistan) pledged to increase their spending during Obama’s tenure and that Trump is simply taking the credit for things agreed five years ago?

That is absolutely correct. Which is why Trump’s blind faith in Putin is even more amazing.

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(Quote From Trump):

“…Obama was a patsy for Russia. He was a total patsy…”

And Trump is what, exactly, with it comes to Putin?

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