I think Trump “turns the corner” in Broadening his base by:
Getting out of his own way.
He is lucky enough that the economy in fact does improve. (I say “lucky” because I am of the camp of many whom have observed that President’s are given way-too much credit for good economies and far too much blame for bad ones).
He, along with the Senate, come up with a “true” Health Care Fix .
(The House is a partisan “lost cause” , IMO, when it comes to Health Care).
He comes up with a true Infrastructure Package that puts a lot of people to work with good paying jobs.
I know that’s a lot of “ifs” (especially number one: “Trump getting out of his own way…”…but miracles do happen…
You’re making a false assumption, which is pretty common for you. I don’t care one way or the other what South Carolina or Louisiana or _______ any other Souther state does as far as Confederate symbolism goes. It’s a local/state issue, at best, one I literally couldn’t care less about because I’m a Marylander after all.
Literally, no one (here anyway) has said we should whitewash U.S. history. The only issue is whether it’s appropriate to have Confederate symbolism on state property because get this, the Confederacy symbolizes more than just Southern pride to a lot of people.
This has been covered. Non-whites get to reach their own conclusions about people just like white people and, for the 100th time, the founders set in motion the end of slavery. Yes, it took several generations and a lot of bloodshed just to end slavery and, yes, many of the founders owned slaves, which is anathema to Liberty. No one, that I am aware of, has tried to excuse this. It happened, it’s part of our history just like the Caste System is a part of yours and, guess what, it’s perfectly acceptable for a person to dislike Thomas Jefferson because of his ownership of another person. That’s their prerogative.
Correct me if I’m wrong…but if I’m not mistaken; ALL actions related to these statues and monuments have been Local and State actions. I don’t think the Federal Government has even issued financial threats. This is once instance where they have left it up to State and Local Governments.
(The only “holdout”…I think…appears to be Mississippi…)
In regards to hearings, being sworn in, and being questioned under oath… is it just me or do other people feel that it simply doesn’t mean much? It does to me personally, but watching heads of departments and politicians under oath makes me squirm with discomfort, it seems like I can just feel them trying to lie or lie without lying, to spin everything, and that everything is so rehearsed.
I guess the takeaway question here is how much do you trust someone’s word under oath?
Exactly. I have no issue with keeping certain Confederate monuments (but I’m selective), but if the people of a state decide to remove monuments, change flags, etc., that’s perfectly fine and democracy being democracy. The Confederacy represents different things to different people, but the one indisputable thing it represents is loyalty to a country other than the United States. I don’t get terribly upset when people decide they want to move on to other symbols.
Me personally? I wouldn’t be inclined to remove a statue of General Lee, but probably would support removal of a statue of Forrest. As an example.
My post has absolutely nothing to do with state vs local or anything relating to the system of government.
My post has to do with demographic change And how the people immigrating here have their own group interests, culture and history and they will seek to permanently transform the US to align with their groups interests. The statue removal to appease mostly POC is an example of this. In the future expect monuments and statues of past white historical figures to be replaced with monuments that reflect the culture of the people moving to the US
You are seeing your country quickly transform into something completely different right in front of your eyes.
You are part of the very problem you rail against day in and day out. For example, you want to limit entry to the US based on a national average IQ. My guess is this is because you come from a historically stratified culture.
This is definitely worth repeating. Every major change the USA has undergone since its inception has been “different.” Does that mean, by default, we’re somehow worse off than those times? I don’t think so personally.
Then again, I already thought America was great prior to this year, so I obviously don’t see eye to eye with a lot of people.
Nonsense. Removal of Confederate statuary isn’t about removing “white” figures - it’s about removing what some consider to be controversial figures. And that has been an issue for a long time.
Confederate figures aren’t universally loved or thought of as part of the pantheon of American heroes. This debate has been underway since well before you decided to bring your own alien culture and ideas to America. You don’t understand it, and have no investment in it.
I suspect that will be cancelled, and while there’s nothing wrong with Jackson on the twenty, there’s nothing wrong with Tubman either.[quote=“therajraj, post:1598, topic:229190”]
What’s next? George Washington with Michael Jordan?
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Over time, you just become more and more cartoonish and ridiculous (you might want to ease up on the Richard Spencer podcasts), but let’s have a real debate - Jordan is the GOAT and probably deserves to be on all the currency.
Ok, but no one thinks this will happen or is trying to make this happen, so no one is legitimately comparing the accomplishments of the two.[quote=“therajraj, post:1601, topic:229190”]
In the same way Tubman’s contributions do not compare to Jacksons.
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I agree, and while I have nothing against putting Tubman on currency, the move to do so had more to do with Jackson and Obama’s limited and lazy view of history regarding him. But, Tubman is a great American story and honoring her would be consistent with, not contradictory to, stout-hearted Americanism.[quote=“therajraj, post:1601, topic:229190”]
That’s why I used the example. If you think the example was in poor taste fine
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I’m pretty sure most of the “POC” advocating statue removal were born here. Also, their ancestors didn’t immigrate here–at least, not in the traditional sense of the word.
Like I said before: This is not a competition. And as far as Jackson’s “contributions” go, it’s not like they were uniformly positive.
