For the record, Duterte, who is clearly insane, killed over 8 000 people in his “war on drugs”
“I just want to congratulate you because I am hearing of the unbelievable job on the drug problem,” Trump said in the phone call, according to the transcript. “Many countries have the problem, we have a problem, but what a great job you are doing, and I just wanted to call and tell you that.”
Duterte responded that drugs were a “scourge” of his nation. Trump then added: “I think we had a previous president who did not understand that.”
Barack Obama had criticized Duterte’s drug fight, prompting the Philippine leader to refer to Obama as a “son of a whore”. The insult derailed a planned meeting between them. Strains also grew as Duterte sought warmer ties with China and threatened to end the US-Philippine military alliance.
Kind of put the squash on Trump is a blabbering nimrod thing with a different analysis of it backed with his tight lips on the Yemen thing, huh?
Thats cool.
Duterte can run things as he sees fit in his own country. I can’t say that I agree with a death sentence for selling dope, but there is most certainly a death sentence for using it.
What do you think the death toll is for the last year here in the US is for over doses from opiates?
Do you genuinely believe that’s what Trump is doing here? Furthermore if he IS then can we, the citizens, afford to take that chance given his track record? Is that a risk we should ever be willing to take?
Even if that is what he was doing and it was somehow serving a purpose how could we reasonably expect it to succeed given the speed that his administration is leaking his every move.
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Do you genuinely believe that’s what Trump is doing here? Furthermore if he IS then can we, the citizens, afford to take that chance given his track record? Is that a risk we should ever be willing to take? [/quote]
I have no idea. It could be a happy accident that he flushed Duterte out with a piece of useless information. I’m not going to go all “he’s a jedi master of 4D chess” any time soon, but I don’t doubt that behind the stupid face he puts on in public that there is a devious mind working in the background.
Trust him? About as much as I trust the affable but absent minded guy behind the Iran-Contra Affair.
Thats a problem with the admin, not him. If they’re willing to leak information to undermine a political foe, then that is on them, not him.
Who in his administration has leaked anything of strategic value or compromised any missions so far?
So if Trump gravely misjudges the level of secrecy he can attain, it’s not on him? He’s the leader of the free world. If we’re not blaming Trump for not having his own house before he makes moves that requires him to have his house in order (fake leaks to flush out traitors) in order I can’t think of anyone else to blame.
The “Trump revealed classified intel” was a leak from his administration. The demonstration to the rest of the world that Donald Trump can’t be trusted to not hand over classified intel to the Russians was a leak out of his administration. That feels SUPER strategic to me.
I don’t know if I’m reading this wrong or if you’re writing it wrong, but he has the highest security clearance. Top secret, code word, key code to the nuclear arsenal type clearance. If he does anything stupid with it I’ll tie the noose myself, but that has yet to happen.[quote=“pfury, post:547, topic:229190”]
The “Trump revealed classified intel” was a leak from his administration. The demonstration to the rest of the world that Donald Trump can’t be trusted to not hand over classified intel to the Russians was a leak out of his administration. That feels SUPER strategic to me.
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Who leaked that the information was shared, and what was the content of the information? It has been said that the information was exchanged, but what was the information?
Pardon my saying so if you find it offensive, but you’re falling for spun sugar from the media. It’s super sweet, but virtually empty.
Tell me what information was exchanged with Lavrov.
According to some guy on the internet, it was about terrorism and airline flight safety. Then when the IC collectively shit their pants when the WH called all heads right after the meeting, it came out that the intel came from Israel and there are now conflicting reports about whether or not Israel is pissed about it.
You don’t have it, do you? Probably because it wasn’t leaked. It was exchanged through diplomatic channels, and still being kept secret by gasp Russia!
Which isn’t the problem. I could give 2 shits if Russia wants to fuck with Israel. But when you damage our reputation globally with handling other countries intel, they’re going to be less inclined so share moving forward. Period. Cause and effect.
If we accept that the intel these countries give us is valuable to at least some degree, then losing them is a loss. A private communication could have been made between Trump and Russia regarding that intel. He chose, instead, to reveal it so publicly that his senior staff rushed into calls with the heads of the IC immediately after the meeting for damage control. Unless we’re going to border the country and bring all our troops home, our global presence is very much a big deal.
Something (unclear what, as it was code word information) pertaining to ISIS plan to smuggle explosives onto planes using laptops, all that coming from an Israeli informer high in the ISIS hierarchy.
Not something you’d say to impress a bunch of Russian thugs.
No. You are confusing what was exchanged with what was leaked. What was exchanged privately and through diplomatic channels is- intel pertinent to an ISIS attack strategy.
What was leaked- That he exchanged the intel.
Spun sugar man. The Rumplestiltskins of the media are turning it into gold.
(yeah, I know. thats a bigly screwed up mixed metaphor}
Even if we accept those metrics, there’s no difference in the outcome of those 2 things. The end results is the same, a damaged global USA reputation with handling classified intel. A damaged US reputation leads to all the things i mentioned above.
I’m not sure if the line “well Trump shared Israel’s intel with Russia without permission, but at least the only leak was us finding out about it instead of the intel itself” is very comforting in regards to other countries viewing our ability to keep our mouth’s shut and not endanger their sources.
Looks like its already starting. England halting sharing intel with us because we can’t be trusted with it. Is that because Trump’s admin is full of leakers or because he leaked shit to Russia himself? Quite frankly, doesn’t really matter as the end result is the same.
It’s almost like being known for not being trustworthy with classified intel is a bad thing.
