Follow up question. In reference to individuals that genuinely believe his campaign colluded with Russia to win the presidency, does going too far in hatred of Trump exist?
Cruz was ACTUALLY born in Canada was he not? I’m struggling to find the parallel between the objective fact that Cruz was born in Canada (which isn’t a race, therefore impossible to fall into the racist category either way?) and the blatant lie Trump pushed to millions of people.
In reference to individuals that genuinely believe Obama was born with his father present in Kenya, does going to far in wanting him removed from office exist?
If they believe it because of actual compelling evidence, then come forward, as they’d be a national hero and I’m sure there are people in the FBI drooling to talk to them.
If they believe it because of a manufactured legacy media narrative… Well that’s on them.
Well you guys were making the 'but da racistz" claim, so I was just checking if pontificating about where people are born was racist no matter the subject person, or just for some people…
Do you think the burden of evidence is the same for these 2 metrics that they should be associated? Should we also lump in faking the moon landing and 9/11 was an inside job?
I think Trump Jr’s twitter is pretty compelling, but I’m still more than content to wait for Mueller.
I think the base requirement for being racist has to start with an actual race. Canadian isn’t a race, it’s a country of origin. “Don’t vote for him because he’s Canadian” doesn’t fit into the parameters to even be racial, does it?
Although to your prior point, I guess what Trump was really pushing was that Obama wasn’t a citizen. While not explicitly racist, it doesn’t really tone down the level of mouth breather you have to be to push something like that.
So, whether or not Trump meant it, and whether or not he actually intended to do it, the fact that some people believed it means it was an “actual thing”?
Sure he does. If he would refrain from saying things that aren’t true, people would not believe he meant them. I reckon that’s complete determination re what millions think vis a vis his beliefs and plans (which is what we’re talking about here).
But that’s not what’s going on here, is it? That is, I’m not making an argument about Trump’s unfitness based on what Dems are saying; I’m making it based on what Rs are saying.
So to counteract my point–to make your ‘nothing to see here; just business as usual’ argument–you need to come up with examples wherein multiple Senators who were members of the same party said the POTUSes you mentioned were unfit for office.
Yes, why not? Why wouldn’t the burden of proof be the same for just about everything?
Probably not, but my point isn’t that the two issues are comparable. I was trying to make the point that both sets of people may very well be caught up in some nonsense. Using birtherism just makes that really clear.
If we’re talking about how people don’t need a lot of prodding to believe crazy shit, sure. And I thought that is where this line of conversation came from.
I’m really not trying to be nefarious in anything I’m posting right now.
What about his twitter is compelling evidence of the no doubt treason these accusations are? (Obviously in your opinion here.)
What if, because I’m not sure of anything anymore, it comes out that the DNC actually had more handholding (not treason, but cooperation) with Russia than Trump?
How does that change your level of criticism of him as a person or his policy?
Does it?
(Honest question)
So is Kenya though. (I am trying to set a trap here, lol. But that’s the only place I’m doing it in this post.)
I tend to agree with the bolded part. Mouth Breather is apt.
I think asking about a person’s place of birth is reasonable when ensuring someone is qualified for POTUS. That said, pushing a narrative that he isn’t a citizen, in face of the truth, is dumdum stuff for partisan hacks and idiots.
Yes.
He was an outsider, wasn’t establishment. That was a huge part of his appeal to many people. Honestly, it was one of the few redeeming qualities I even saw in him. I think if you spent more time in right echo chambers what I’m saying would make a lot more sense. But the right isn’t the left, and they don’t think the same way about their parties representatives. They don’t like to suffer “RINO’s” (obviously who is or isn’t one will vary depending on who you talk to). They are thirsty for any sort of right leaning “hope and change” they can get. He represented a lot of that, even in the very imperfect way he was.
That the phrase caught on was more natural evolution and Trump being an opportunist. He took advantage of a sentiment that was there before he got involved (which is his entire victory in a nutshell) and put the phrase to it.
Maybe he has a natural skill for it, and is too dumb to understand what he did. Maybe he’s brilliant marketer and playing dumb about it works… I dont’ know. But I do know the whole notion of “drain the swamp” has been prevalent in American politics for awhile now, and it’s gaining/gained more “main stream” momentum lately.
I think we’re talking about two different things here. I hope above clears up what I’m saying at least a little.
Show me a POTUS with a rise anywhere comparable to Trump and I’ll get right on that.
He isn’t now, nor ever was establishment GOP. He’s only been a republican for like 24 months lol. Shit didn’t one of his kids have to change their registration from Democrat in order to vote for him?
He was a NYC limo lib when it helped him make money, and TV “provocateur” repub when it made him money, and now, some fucking how, he’s actually POTUS.
So no, that some in the GOP are bitching about him doesn’t really speak to much. Because I’d bet a mortgage payment that anyone that usurped the party like he did would be getting the same flack if they didn’t toe the line once elected.
Sorry, allow me to rephrase. Do you think the existence of all known proof for both metrics do an equal job proving the point?
The difference I’m trying to drawn is there is a lot of credible evidence that points to Trump receiving direct help from the Russian govt while the same cannot be said of the “evidence” that led Trump to push the birther movement.
The admission of accepting help from a Russian national with VERY STRONG ties to the govt itself. While it may be a leap to assume they bothered googling this guy’s name before meeting with him, it’s not a very large leap.
It doesn’t change a thing. It does increase my criticism of the Dems however.
Good thing I averted that trap with my disclaimer above about how technically Trump was pushing the “non citizen” thing. Boom!
Respectfully (this is not pointed at you), no it’s not. Questioning someone’s place of birth for POTUS is 1000% retardspeak. Hard stop. End of story.
The concept that someone a foreign born non citizen can decide to run for POTUS, and somehow the FBI, CIA, NSA, -insert acronyms here- ALL missed it and SOMEHOW the public catches someone is just retardspeak. I can’t think of a better word.
What’s really depressing is having your party, or should I say former party, taking control of both houses of Congress and a record number (maybe not record?) of Governorships and then have this mouth breathing fucktard be elected to the highest office in the land only to have it wasted on twitter feuds rather than leading the nation and actually “MAGA” (whatever the fuck that even means).
Don’t even get me started on the utter embarrassment he is as Commander-in-Chief.
Donald Trump is the crazy uncle you enjoy having a beer with, he isn’t the guy you put in charge of your household or give the keys to your weapons locker…
Trump didn’t invent the phrase. He saw it work for Pelosi in 2006. Further proof of uniparty collusion!
Nancy Pelosi Drains the Swamp ~ QuickClip - YouTube
https://www.rollcall.com/politics/history-of-draining-the-swamp
But it was still a fact.
White people need to be honest. We have all sorts of codes we use to not sound racist but we know what someone means when we hear them.
So the question I would ask isn’t whether questioning Obama’s place of birth is racist, but who that theory is meant to trigger. Who is more apt to believe it? Who is more apt to want to believe it? We have to also keep in mind that it was made up so who was it made up for?
Fuckin white people and their coded racism. Smh…
I’ve officially heard it all.
Right, and I’m not trying to compare the two on that level. I’m trying to highlight how easy it is for people to believe what they want to believe.
And as of almost a full year of his election, there isn’t much damning proof, which it would behoove anyone to bring to light sooner rather than later.
How many months of investigation would it take, in your opinion, to take this obvious public admittance of guilt, and present the hard evidence the proves it as compelling as you seem to see it?
Right…
lol
However, you did passively make the “da racistz” claim prior to that.
What background checks do you have to pass by the letter agencies you mentioned in order to declare you’re going to run?
Also, can I get a list of questions I’m allowed to ask, and which I’m not please? I haven’t received my copy of Thought Policing, Contemporary Politics in America this month.
So they can ask the question? But no one else, unless they are a “retard”? And everyone else is just supposed to be subordinate to their answers?
Journalists are members of the public. Don’t they expose things all the time?
Was catching Nixon “retardspeak”?
This, today, is impossible. You sort of outline that yourself here:
Enough people disagree with you here. You’d never let him lead you, it’s obvious. (Your comment on his comments to the widow last week prove it, you didn’t need anything but the word of a rep who’s outspoken about how awful he is, saying he’s awful.)
You think he’s awful. Anything that confirms that bias will sit with you, and the Legacy Media does nothing but talk about how he’s awful.
Clinton wouldn’t be different. Sanders would be worse. Paul, Cruz, Rubio, all the same shit man. You wouldn’t get behind Clinton or Sanders, and obviously not enough other people would either.
We’re not allowed to ask about people were born anymore. That’s “retardspeak”.
So, stahp plz. txz
I am honest, and don’t include me in your use of “we” here.
Fuck this noise.
I believe people in Hillary’s camp started it so…
But even then the answer to all that would be: gullible people who will be motivated to vote against him upon hearing it/believing it.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. Trump Jr’s twitter account feels damning to me.
Hard evidence most likely doesn’t exist, hence the wrinkle. Even if it did, laws don’t apply to rich people and pols, so I don’t expect there would ever be some type of punishment.
Worst case re: Trump/Russia he steps down and gets a Pence pardon for his entire family. Case closed.
Gun to my head, I’ll put money on Trump never pushing the birther movement with a white POTUS. It’s just impossible to know for sure so I don’t tend to bother myself with the thought.
I’m not sure. But I’m also not stupid enough to think our intel agencies don’t do something as low level as confirming citizenship prior to letting someone have the nuclear codes.
I didn’t say you CAN’T ask the question, merely that the question is retardspeak. If you want to ask a candidate for POTUS whether or not 2+2=9, you’re more than welcome to do so. A question being “askable” doesn’t make it more or less stupid.
Journalists report on things. The people that deliver said things to them are exposing them.
Do you think catching Nixon for his crimes is the same thing as the public having the ability to uncover a sitting POTUS isn’t actually an American?
Also see above re: the public didn’t catch him.
So you’ve never had another white person say something to you that implied racism? You never had another white person say something racist in your presence because they assumed you felt the same way too? Maybe that only happens in Massachusetts.
This is nonsense and you know it. There is nothing unique about our time that precludes a real leader from stepping up.
Ya; except, we have comments from the mother as well and his comments about John McCain 3.5 minutes into his candidacy and about 5,000 other comments to go off of.
I think he’s an awful POTUS. I don’t think the man is awful.
Several times on here I’ve said some of the stuff people complain about is ridiculous.
Good thing I didn’t vote for her either.
Good thing I didn’t vote for him either.
Hardly.
Nope, not that I recall.
In a serious manner? No.
It doesn’t happen in the circles I travel in that’s for sure.