Trump Tests Positive for COVID-19

I’m pretty sure Biden is a total asshole :laughing:

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Number 3 on Google’s trending searches: Schadenfreude lol

chris_ottawa:
Yeah, they exhale COVID particles that go right through the cloth mask or surgical mask, or out through the edges. Then someone wearing another of those sort of masks breathes it in, either right through the mask or around the edges. It’s no wonder than so many people are getting infected despite taking every possible precaution.

Do a test for yourself: Sit down, light a candle and place it 4 feet away from you on a table. Try to blow the candle out; You probably can, or come close to it.

Now put on a cloth mask, which you say doesn’t work. Then try to blow out the candle. Report back with your findings. How did you do?

The cloth masks work by filtering some of the aerosolized particles - not all, but some - and preventing your breath from spreading out all across the room. Your exhale is kept within your own orbit. So if you are also maintaining some personal space, as instructed, whatever breath reaches other people has been filtered, and (for lack of a better term) blunted. It’s not the same as if you had no mask at all. This is why people say “my mask protects you, your mask protects me”. If you don’t want to get sick, it helps to avoid getting near other people who are not wearing a mask.

If you want to argue that cloth masks don’t filter any aerosolized particles at all, you would be wrong. Think about raindrops getting through a chain link fence laying on the ground - sure, raindrops can pass through those gaps in the fence with no problem. But take three layers of fence (cloth masks are supposed to be 3 layers) together. Do you really think none of the raindrops would hit the fence? Some particles do get filtered. And even though all of the particles don’t get filtered, the breath test with the candle shows the droplets wouldn’t spread nearly as far as they would, if there was no mask.

Now when you factor in the other people in the room also wearing masks and getting some filtration of the air coming in, and maintaining personal space so that almost none of your breath even reaches them, the amount of protection the entire group mutually gets from masks goes way up. Whether you get infected or not, and whether you become sick or not, is apparently dose-dependent. So anything you can do to lower your exposure level will work in your favor.

I may be explaining it poorly (its late here) but this information is available to anyone, unless you choose to willingly ignore it, or are fixated only on what you were told at the beginning of the pandemic when there was still a lot to learn. And “people taking every possible precaution” are not getting sick, like you seem to think. It’s the people who aren’t wearing masks - not taking even the most basic precaution - who are getting sick, or getting other people sick. Some people can be infected and not show any symptoms, but still spread it.

All of this is much more important inside, in close spaces. Outside, where the breeze carries things around in every direction, you have much more favorable conditions.

Ask a doctor or a nurse. If they tell you that masks don’t work, at this point in the pandemic, they are a kook!

I live in New York City, we were the worst hit area in the world, but infections went way way down, because there is a high rate of compliance with masks now. I’d say 95% of the people on the subway or on a city bus are wearing masks - not perfect, but enough to reduce the rate of infections dramatically. At the worst peak, we had around 1,000 deaths per day. Last time I looked, it was about 30 deaths per day. That drop coincides with a major increase in mask usage.

Nobody has an idea if a mask would or would not have made a difference here. Doctors in hospitals who are covered head to toe in PPE have caught this thing.

Chain analogy you gave has to be the best analogy against masks I have come across lol

Doctors in hospitals who are covered head to toe in PPE have caught this thing.

Doctors in hospitals are also working in severe conditions that civilians are not, surrounded by the sickest patients.

Nobody knows if masks would have made a difference with Trump because nobody knows where he got it (yet). He might have gotten it while having sex with Hope Hicks.

Cloth masks with 3 layers filter about 80% of particles. Compared to an N-95 it’s not as good, but pretty damn close.

Doubt anything works down there anymore but exactly. And even if it was a mask wearing scenario you only need 1 droplet.

It’s all fun and games when you’re brainwashing the plebs not to wear masks, but when it strikes close to home suddenly you all don a supposedly useless mask.

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Also, didn’t see anyone of the WH infected publicly tout the miracle HCQ

A better example of skin in the game is hard to find.

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Trump, Melania, Hope Hicks, Bill Stepien, and Kellyanne Conway all tested positive. This suggests not a random stroke of bad luck, but inept prevention strategy.

During the debate, Trump mocked Biden for wearing a mask all the time (biggest mask he’s ever seen!)

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If it was inept then a mask makes no difference. That’s why there is not a single place on earth that doesn’t have a bunch of other measures ahead of masks.

You can do everything right and still get infected. It’s silly to say you don’t like wearing masks therefore you got COVID.

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We first aimed to slow the spread in order to avoid overwhelming medical facilities.

Now, we aim to eliminate deaths with, and cases of, the Rona.

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This is preposterous. Of course masks would have made a difference, as would social distancing. The ineptness is not doing those simple things to protect themselves and other people.

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The SCOTUS nominee ceremony. Ineptitude.

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So they only have a minimal effect.

I don’t own a cloth mask, but I tried blowing through my t-shirt and I can feel air passing through. A cloth mask really can’t do much.

When did I argue that? They just don’t filter enough to have a significant effect.

Since when? None that I have seen are three layers. One of my kids has to wear one at school, his are all a single layer.

When you look at how easily this virus spreads, it does not appear that the dose needs to be very high to get infected. Lots of people who follow all the rules are still getting infected.

It coincides with there not being so many outbreaks in nursing homes, where over 80% of deaths occurred.

I caught it working in a kitchen

Yeah just like wearing 3 sweaters is pretty close to a bullet proof vest. You just lost any credibility with that statement.

And the fact that the increase in deaths from starvation is double COVID deaths is a worthy sacrifice.

So how come all these people who follow every rule and barely go outside are still getting it? Any difference is minimal, and the virus is not dangerous for the vast majority of people. Trump is one of the few who maybe should have stayed inside and protected himself from the virus because he’s old and fat.

Where’s your evidence of this? Even anecdotally, I don’t know of a single person who got it who “followed every rule.”

Just because no measure will be 100% effective doesn’t mean by rule that measure is 0% effective.

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What I do find entertaining is that no one can figure out if this is good or bad politically. I’ve seen Trump’s opponents say is a disaster for his reelection and I’ve also seen them say he did this on purpose to score points. It’s pretty damn funny watching the pundits pontificate this one.

My personal outlook is it neither helps or hurts unless he becomes very ill. Even then I’m not sure if that adds or subtracts votes.

Better up your mask game. My thinnest is five layers. But I wear four of them. Even when I’m taking a shit. In my own home. When no one else is home.

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Oh snap

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And the list of GOP leaders testing positive continues: campaign chair, Senators Ron Johnson and Mike Lee, former advisor Kellyanne Conway…

It appears the SCOTUS nominee ceremony may have been a superspreader event.

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Yep. The irony may be that positive virus tests may prevent the senate from confirming the nominee: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/ron-johnson-coronavirus/index.html