Trump Tests Positive for COVID-19

[chris_ottawa]

@dcb

He’s obese. His BMI is over 30 officially and quite likely higher as he lies about his height. Obese people are 44% more likely to die from COVID-19. Among nearly 17,000 patients hospitalized for coronavirus in the U.S., more than three-quarters were obese.

I think there is a big difference between obese and morbidly obese in this situation. I have been to the US, there are plenty of 300lbs+ blobs.

[kjm]

@chris_ottawa

That argument wouldn’t get them far, too many pro-lockdown pro-mask people got infected too. Canadian dictator Justin Trudeau-Castro and his wife had it in the spring. There really isn’t much you can do to effectively prevent yourself from getting the virus other than staying inside your house all alone, surgical masks offer limited protection and cloth masks are basically useless. You would need a properly fitted N95 mask for any significant degree of protection, but you need the proper resources to be fitted for one and you won’t have than unless you work in healthcare.

Yeah, I’m sure a pro could come up with something better. But, keep in mind, you really only need to affect the margins (and only in swing states) to get the desired outcome here. We’re talking 0.5 - 1% of a state’s voting population. I think at least that many people would be persuadable by that kind of messaging.

At the start of this, in Canada we were told that 60-70% of the population was expected to eventually be infected. The supposed death rate at that time was around 10x higher than what it now appears to be, but this was still seen as acceptable by the government and medical establishment. Now it turns out that the virus isn’t nearly as bad as previously thought but we have to stop the spread at all costs. The only word to describe this is coronaphobia.

I think a lot of that was hedging and expectation setting. I agree things aren’t as bad as they were initially made out to be, but don’t count this thing out prematurely. We’re not out of the woods yet.

[dcb]

There may be but I’m not sure if they’ve looked at the difference in hospitalizations and death rates between regular obese people like Trump and morbidly obese people. The meta analysis cited drew the line at obese, and Trump is obese. He may not be 300+ lbs but he’s a fat fuck for sure. It’s one thing to be 6’1" and 244 if you’re a T-Nation reader and you lift like a lot of people here do. But Trump is known for believing exercise is bad for you so there’s no way he’s sporting a significant amount of lean tissue under all those folds.

[H_factor]

@kjm

Not sure about #1 on your list though. I mean, did Trump’s debate performance win over many moderate, suburban women in swing states? Probably not. But, it did fire up the base, which was enough to win in 2016. So, by that measure, I think Trump considers the debate a success.

But his base is already fired up. He didn’t need to appeal to them in the least bit. Nothing is less important for him than appealing to his base. And virtually all metrics showed the debate hurting him.

Trump considers everything he does a success. But it would be hard to call the debate good for him.

[SkyzykS]

@chris_ottawa

surgical masks offer limited protection and cloth masks are basically useless. You would need a properly fitted N95 mask for any significant degree of protection, but you need the proper resources to be fitted for one and you won’t have than unless you work in healthcare.

Chris, I mean this with all due respect, but this snippet clearly shows that you can’t even distinguish the difference between the functions of breathing it in and breathing it out.

The N95 and P100 masks are for filtration, or to prevent breathing it in.

The cloth masks are to diffuse the breath plume if/when one breathes it out. This changes the form of the vapor plume from a laminar stream to more like a diffuse cloud.

Please, chocolate baby Jesus, let this information stick to the wall at which it has been thrown.

[polo77j]

@chris_ottawa

There is a good chance he wont even develop symptom at all anyway.

it’s been reported and corroborated that he is experiencing “mild symptoms”

@anna_5588

Conspiracy time: Trump is faking positive test to

1. distract attention away from his debate performance

Doubtful - he’s a narcissist and thinks he did good. Great even. You can ask anyone…The greatestest…

@anna_5588

“prove” he was right about the virus not being that bad, by showing how “unaffected” he is/was

This is plausible. If he recovers (I suspect he will) he’ll spin it to make himself into a legend (in his mind and others I’d assume)

[kjm]

@H_factor

But his base is already fired up. He didn’t need to appeal to them in the least bit. Nothing is less important for him than appealing to his base. And virtually all metrics showed the debate hurting him.

Trump considers everything he does a success. But it would be hard to call the debate good for him.

I agree the debate wasn’t a net positive for Trump. I’m saying Trump measures success by the degree to which he appeals to his base. His previous attempts to broaden his appeal have seemed perfunctory to me.

[treco]

@kjm

@H_factor

But his base is already fired up. He didn’t need to appeal to them in the least bit. Nothing is less important for him than appealing to his base. And virtually all metrics showed the debate hurting him.

Trump considers everything he does a success. But it would be hard to call the debate good for him.

His previous attempts to broaden his appeal have seemed perfunctory to me.

Yeah - like trying to raise employment in the black and hispanic communities, or standing against politicians who are seeking to provide less law and order in the most ravished communities.

[chris_ottawa]

@kjm

you really only need to affect the margins (and only in swing states) to get the desired outcome here. We’re talking 0.5 - 1% of a state’s voting population. I think at least that many people would be persuadable by that kind of messaging.

I think it could go either way, but we will see what comes of it.

@kjm

I agree things aren’t as bad as they were initially made out to be, but don’t count this thing out prematurely. We’re not out of the woods yet.

But we were told to accept a much worse outcome, now that it’s not that bad why should we look at it like it’s worse than it is? The biggest problem is the side effects of lockdowns and restrictions, and it isn’t that hard to protect the people who are actually at high risk for the virus. It would certainly be less costly than the current situation.

@dcb

There may be but I’m not sure if they’ve looked at the difference in hospitalizations and death rates between regular obese people like Trump and morbidly obese people. The meta analysis cited drew the line at obese, and Trump is obese.

That’s a problem, and it makes these sort of statistics to be of little use.

@SkyzykS

Chris, I mean this with all due respect, but this snippet clearly shows that you can’t even distinguish the difference between the functions of breathing it in and breathing it out.

Recently there have been reports from scientists (repeated by the CDC who later changed their stance under pressure) that COVID is indeed spreading through the air and not just in droplet form. If this is the case then cloth masks are next to useless, and if not then they are still of very little use. Plenty of healthcare workers are still being infected despite wearing surgical masks which are much more effective than the cloth ones.

@polo77j

it’s been reported and corroborated that he is experiencing “mild symptoms”

So he’s not faking it. Is he taking hydroxychloroquine?

@treco

Yeah - like trying to raise employment in the black and hispanic communities, or standing against politicians who are seeking to provide less law and order in the most ravished communities.

It proves that he is racist, trying to make people work instead of robbing and looting.

[polo77j]

@chris_ottawa

Is he taking hydroxychloroquine?

That part has only been speculated/meme’d to death at this point…no corroboration has been given by any reputable source of which I’m aware.

[SkyzykS]

@chris_ottawa

Plenty of healthcare workers are still being infected despite wearing surgical masks which are much more effective than the cloth ones.

Once again. Inhaling vs. Exhaling.

Learn the difference. For God’s sake, please.

[Legalsteel]

@anna_5588

1. distract attention away from his debate performance
2. “prove” he was right about the virus not being that bad, by showing how “unaffected” he is/was

Note: I don’t necessarily believe in this conspiracy theory, but am not ruling out the possibility

I would note this precise lunacy was floated about Boris Johnson when he took ill.

I have to say, it strikes me as absurd, because the last thing the Trump campaign wants dominating the headline is COVID.

[chris_ottawa]

@SkyzykS

Once again. Inhaling vs. Exhaling.

Learn the difference. For God’s sake, please.

Yeah, they exhale COVID particles that go right through the cloth mask or surgical mask, or out through the edges. Then someone wearing another of those sort of masks breathes it in, either right through the mask or around the edges. It’s no wonder than so many people are getting infected despite taking every possible precaution.

[magnumd]

After that he will work some ultraviolet light inside to kill the virus.

[loppar]

Something weird may be going on with Trump.

No HCQ mentioned (surprise, surprise) but allegedly it’s a very unusual (and aggressive) experimental treatment.

[chris_ottawa]

They were researching the use of antibodies as a treatment since back in the spring. It sounds like something that could work, but it would be in short supply and expensive.

[strongmangoals]

He will also be working out of Walter Reed Military Medical Centre. Seems precautionary but definitely kills off any conspiracy theory (well, as much as they can be killed off)

[loppar]

@strongmangoals

Seems precautionary

Seems to me it’s a medical emergency.

[chris_ottawa]

Yeah, this might just be the beginning too. The Democrats’ prayers to Satan have been answered.

[Legalsteel]

@loppar

Seems to me it’s a medical emergency

If he lives, we shall never know. Johnson is still
evasive on how close he was to joining Pericles.