But they donât have a lockdown. Do you not see the benefit? Is freedom not important to you?
Canada had lockdowns, Ontario is going back into a âstage 2â lockdown tomorrow despite the fact that hardly anyone is dying. Asymptomatic âcasesâ are now the main issue.
Which is why Sweden did very well, because a few months ago their economy was doing worse than their coronaphobic neighbors.
I donât. The only thing that matters to me is respiration. I see no benefit to anything more than being technically alive.
I did my masters in Sweden. Iâve experienced the âopinion corridorâ and âlagomâ personally. Itâs a country in which social totalitarianism is enforced horizontally by societal/pee pressure.
So itâs really rich when right wing (Northern) Americans tout the (fake) benefits of a Swedish approach to Covid-19 when itâs actually a failure of Swedish left-wing totalitarian policies.
And now we understand the allure of the Swiss model, and why Trump and a few here and there keep bringing it up. 
You donât really need to be alive though, they could put your corpse on a ventilator and preserve you like Lenin. The secret to eternal life!
How so?
Itâs the archetypal failure of a centralized, ossified top-down leftist political structure, for some weird reason admired by international alt-righters.
Do you know inn which country did a serving minister in government recently utter the words âall children belong to the state!â?
The supposedly freedom-loving Sweden.
You might want to find out what Sweden did. It was not business as usual. BTW, I donât know about Canada, but the US didnât have a lockdown either.
Not âlockdownâ but state forced business closures. Though it was a patchwork. I think SD and NE were the only states that were business as usual the entire time.
Yes, I know Sweden is very much a leftist country, but regardless of that you can still separate the good from the bad and look at what they are doing right.
Sweden made some mistakes in the beginning and allowed the virus to infect nursing home residents (we went over this a thousand times in various threads already) but right now the number of new infections is stable while their neighbors are having a second wave of the dreaded âcasesâ. See the graphs in these links:
So while Sweden already got things under control, their neighbors are having problems with no solution in sight.
Depends how you define lockdown, but some states sure did.
Ontario went into a âStage 2 lockdownâ as of today and might be shutting down all non-essential businesses very soon, despite no increase in the COVID death rate. They are ruining lives for something that kills around 0.13% of those infected and doesnât even produce symptoms in 86%. Personally, Iâm more worried about the flu.
The people who support shutting down over this virus are the same ones who would surrender to any invading army. If China or Russia invade itâs not worth fighting because people will die. Better just let them rape, pillage, and enslave us. Even the fraudulent âwar on terrorâ would be too much for many people to swallow nowadays.
Millions have died fighting for freedom, but now we surrender to a virus that kills 0.13%.
I would hope so. What would be their justification for fighting back?
In before, âSome of that 0.13% may still be living if not for The Rona. Do their lives not matter?â
Could people leave their homes? Yes. Could they go shopping? Yes. Could they travel? Yes. I donât know what definition of lockdown allows those things.
No.
Less infected per million than Sweden, btw.
This disinformation about supposed lack of a second wave in Sweden (see graph above for proof) spread by worldwide alt-right media was so influential that the Italian embassy in Sweden had to publicly refute the claims of the Swedish chief epidemiologist, drawing attention to the facts that the current numbers are much worse in Sweden than in âpoor Italy suffering a second waveâ.
And theyâre opening up nursing homes for visitations, masks not required. What could possibly go wrong?
You better not get more than 3 feet from your fainting couch bro.
No kidding. I think you need to get tested for the vapors.
The one used by the federal and provincial governments in Canada.
Where are the deaths though?
Click on âdeathsâ beside âselect to viewâ:
Maybe they figured there is nothing much that can actually stop it from getting into nursing homes. Even with all the measures in place here, there are still plenty of outbreaks in nursing homes. Nearly all the recent deaths (which are few) are in nursing homes, just like before. The difference now is that so many residents were already infected so they arenât at risk anymore.
Here are some highlights from the research communityâŠ
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6513/159.full
â The response to the op-ed was âinsane,â says co-author Jan Lötvall, an allergist at the University of Gothenburg. âA colleague emailed me to say [the article] was shameful, and that we should be loyal and follow the tradition of respecting public health workers.â
The frontal attack violated one of Swedenâs strongest cultural norms, the taboo on open disagreement, says Andrew Ewing, an analytical chemist at the University of Gothenburg who moved to Sweden from the United States 13 years ago. If a disagreement does arise, âyou can never make it personal,â says Ewing, who was not part of the original 22 but has since joined the Vetenskapsforum. â
'Healthy or not, Brusselaers says she also faced backlash from colleagues and was publicly reprimanded by her department chair for being a âtroublemakerâ and âa danger to society.â âA colleague told me, âWe have to stick with [FoHM] and defend it,ââ she says. The situation prompted her to return to her native Belgium, where she now has a position at the University of Antwerp, although she is also keeping her group at KI. âI just didnât expect this reaction in Sweden,â she says. âI never felt like such a foreigner as I did over the past few months.â â
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â Dorota Szlosowska, a pulmonologist who had been working at Sundsvall regional hospital, shared an email with Science stating that one of the reasons her contract wasnât renewed was that âshe walked around with a mask,â which the email said made her look unfriendlyâ
And it didnât save their country.
Thatâs not exactly true. If you read the Science article I posted youâll see. They originally didnât test anyone unless they had severe symptoms, and testing still lags far behind other EU countries. They openly refused entry to ICUs for elderly patients over 80 and obese patients
'âŠover the past few weeks, infections in Sweden have started to rise as well. On 25 September, FoHM reported 633 new cases nationwide in 1 day. Stockholmâs rates have nearly tripled in 2 weeksâŠ
THE SWEDISH EXPERIMENT is coming to an end, as its policies fall in line with those of its neighborsâŠâ
And in spite of all that, the death rate is stable. See the graph linked in my previous post.
Same in Canada
What do you actually suggest though? Shut down everything, collapse all economies around the world, and starve millions of people until a cure is found for this dreaded virus with a 0.13% death rate?