Reminds me of this:
Then add deaths from other diseases not being treated because people canāt get to hospital (big problem with cancer treatment in the UK), increasing domestic abuse, alcohol abuse and drug abuse, increase in mental health issues and related deaths and all the deaths that result from huge increases in the number of people in poverty.
I donāt believe COVID is a fakespiracy or whatever the buzzword is, but I donāt think lockdowns are the no brainer solution the majority seem to think they are.
There is another article that seems to have disappeared which said that the lockdowns and restrictions have already killed twice as many as the virus. I linked it in another COVID thread if someone wants to look for it. I canāt find it on the Time site either, I guess it wasnāt politically correct.
In British Columbia there are way more people dying from overdoses than the virus.
Anyone who thinks there is no virus is deluded, but itās not nearly as bad as previously thought and the restrictions are the main problem.
" The head of emergencies at the World Health Organization said Monday its ābest estimatesā indicate that roughly 1 in 10 people worldwide may have been infected by the coronavirus ā more than 20 times the number of confirmed cases
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The estimate ā which would amount to more than 760 million people based on a current world population of about 7.6 billion ā far outstrips the number of confirmed cases as tallied by both WHO and Johns Hopkins University, now more than 35 million worldwide. More than one million people have died from the virus."
If this is accurate, the virus kills one in 760 people, a death rate of 0.13%. Are you one of the oldest, sickest, and weakest 0.13% of humans? If not, then itās not much to worry about.
Hereās the thing. I have experience with these. Now, yesterday I celebrated 18 years of sobriety. The thing is, if one wants it, nothing can stop you or make you pick up a drink or drug. But if youāre looking for a reason, you donāt have to look hard at all. You do have to break quarantine to go out and get your dope though.
Using precautions Iāve been able to attend group meetings, zoom with my therapist, and remain safely sane and sober.
All that being said, I donāt buy the connection there. I think itās just another opportunistic grab at straws to make something that is already bad (itās a pandemic, for christsake) look worse.
I disagree. When we were in full lockdown in the spring yu should have seen the lineups at the liquor stores and beer stores (yes we have a government-run beer store) and weed stores, a hundred people lined up was a normal sight. People had nothing to do, nowhere to go, and the government was giving people $2000/month if they werenāt working or not working much due to the shutdown so some people just started drinking or smoking every day. Thatās the legal stuff, but overdose deaths skyrocketed, as well as suicides. People were bored out of their minds and many lost hope and engaged in self-destructive behavior.
Most people are back to work now and restrictions were relaxed over the summer, itās rare to see more than a couple people lined up at those stores now.
Link is nothing more than questioning the cost Vs benefit of aggressive lockdown precautions, questioning whether itās been fully considered and wondering whether, when these things are fully analysed and reviewed in hindsight, the numbers saved outweigh the additional deaths.
Thereās certainly nothing opportunistic about it, appreciate this is the PWI forum but Iām not pushing any agenda one way or the other. All scenarios are pretty tragic.
Iām not sure, but I was way ahead of many here. I remember reading that somewhere was paying people $6,000 to be injected with The Rona, about a week into the panic. I went into work, where weād learned that we could take sick time without breaking into our regular leave time first. I mentioned that I would love to participate in the study, and someone else said something like, ā If it doesnāt kill you.ā I said something like, āIām not on my way out to begin with, so Iām willing to risk it.ā Couldnāt find the study again, so never got those bucks.
Keep the panic porn coming! Masks, hand sanitizer, compulsive hand washing, social distancing! StOp ThE sPrEaD!!! Ohhhh more lockdowns! They worked so well the first time and now itās flu season! Go back inside and hide!
Just wear your face condom while youāre beating it.
Ok.
They are. And entirely unnecessary.
Just because there wasnāt/isnāt much to do doesnāt mean that drinking and using drugs is the only thing to do.
Me and the neighbor took our kids on some nice bike rides and hikes through out the lock down.
I got back into good enough shape to go back to work cutting trees with my old buddy once it became available.
Other people drank themselves silly and used drugs.
Choices.
This is even remotely the point I was trying to make, seems this is a topic close to you and I apologize if thatās how it came across. I not making any sort of social commentary, simply commenting on the national statistics in my country and what Iāve heard from friends in the medical field. There has been a real cost in lives from lockdown, (in numerous ways, those were just a few examples more obvious and front of mind) maybe they are less than those saved, maybe not. I was an open question, not a statement.
I donāt have an argument with you here (now in the present world). Back in February and March/April, we could have done a lot better. For instance, If the lockdowns had been better coordinated and had more public support from Trump administration, not the disease experts but the politicians, I think we would be looking at a lot less people dead and a lot better economic picture.
As it stands now weāre between a rock and a hard placeāThis has dragged on too long for full lockdowns to be effective at anything but killing the economy more, and there is too much widespread community transmission for them to work. This puts us in a hard spot for response. Iām not sure how much of those incredibly long threads you read, but my position has pretty consistently been we didnāt act soon enough or coordinated enough, and that is meant that the lockdowns were not nearly effective and that we suffered far more damage than we should have. The cost of delayed responses to a pandemic is exponentialā¦ The sooner and more thoroughly you act the less long-term damage you have. Thatās pretty much been my whole platform with criticism.
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This would be an even harder sell to me, especially if it was published before July. Thatās a hard pass - the interpretation of data is just too complex for me to be anywhere near confident they got the right conclusion.
Dude! Very big congratulations. Like a second birthday man.
āMaybe a brush with mortality with change Trump and heāll finally change his tune about Covid-19ā - both myself and pundits everywhere.
Why? To appease the left and their never-ending insanity?
You mean like this:
Trump broke the media. These people have lost their fucking mindsā¦
Itās not but some people are stupid.
If I remember correctly it was published in September, but itās gone from the internet now so thatās that. Anything that might ease the coronaphobia is deemed unfit for mass consumption.
He couldnāt have been too sick if heās back in action already. This virus only kills 0.13% of people based on the latest WHO data, would you freak out if you got the flu too?
To QAnonās followers, Covid is a deep-state Democrat trick to enslave the US and Trumpās āillnessā is tactical. So donāt trust anything any more. We are in a maelstrom of information, spin and lies.
Donāt trust anything but Trump is here to save the world?
All I know is that the coverage when he went to the hospital was either that, heās faking it or that heās near death. And now that heās out the coverage is, heās faking it or heās near death.
Not, heās the president, he gets the best care in the world which probably worked really well and heās recovering. ā Thatās all thatās really happening, but NO! Itās a cover up, Putinās in control now and itās a cover up! And the military, the doctors, the hospital, the secret service and the photographers and reporters are all in on it! The great Trump covid conspiracy!
Yeah, what any normal person should thinkā¦ Some reporter actually said Russia set this whole thing upā¦ Man, talk about unhinged. And CNN and the NYT are the worst offenders.
Youād think you would be reading the Onion or the Babylon Bee, but youād be wrong. Youāre watching mainstream news that normal people normally watch.
At what point to regular people stop and think, āWait, this is really messed up sounding. Russia, made up the disease and heās dying from it too?ā To quote Biden, āComonā man!ā
If he faked it then why would he go to the hospital? That makes it look serious, even if heās fine now, and I donāt see how this incident will score him any political points. Maybe with delusional nutjobs that think heās playing 4d chess, but not with anyone else and especially not with the left wing nutjobs.
Itās funny how the mainstream media is so quick to deride people as conspiracy theorists when they are pushing insane bullshit like that. Even worse is that people take it seriously when there is no reason to suspect such things. As an outside observer, it looks like a large proportion of Americans are fucking crazy.
Putin is an old commie, former head of the KGB. The Democrats are moving towards communism and socialism, so how is it that Trump must be the one working with Putin?