Trump on Rogan

This is where we disagree. Housing, food, and healthcare should be available to everybody in a modern country especially if they are actively participating in that society with a full time job.

Buying a nice car or luxury watch is one a completely different plane than simply having a safe place to live and something eat.
This is a tired argument used by people who have been able to make it today and refuse to see why others might not be so fortunate despite doing everything they could to make it so.

I would implore you to do the same with the opposite viewpoint.

It sure is awfully convenient where it is now for those in power. Tell me, do you like subsidizing Walmart workers through your taxes since many of them are on food stamps?

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I donā€™t like subsidizing anything through taxation. I would vote for someone promising to eliminate all of it. Iā€™m not going to be keeping more of my money if minimum wage is increased.

I do. Iā€™m very intentional about having a ā€œround robinā€ approach. Weā€™re closer to ā€œthe matrixā€ than we realize in our ā€œplugged inā€ algorithm driven consciousness and I think itā€™s very important to stay well rounded, or at least consider a well rounded group of information sourcesā€¦ Your turn.

Why? Just because they have a full time job? And how does that work? Youā€™re leading with wages, so employer paid.

If I were to go get a job collecting shopping carts from the local grocers parking lot, how much should they pay me? A competitive rate per others willing to work or do I give them a prospectus covering all of my bills and they simply owe me that becauseā€¦. they just do? Because I want them to pay for my life vs applying myself somewhere that will.

Now rinse and repeat. Imagine a sole proprietorship. Put yourself in the owners shoes and ask how sustainable this is for one, and why you owe somebody a charmed life for menial, zero skill tasks. Put numbers to it. Balance a budget.

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Media are vermin and the enemy

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Ahā€¦the Olā€™ ā€œGā€ wordā€¦ basically anyone you donā€™t agree with now is a gRiFteR.

Women did this with narcissist

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I donā€™t feel that way, only if one has shown a pattern of taking severe advantage of others (as his history has shown - track the lawsuits going back decades).

Because we should take care of our fellow humans to grow and progress as a society.

Now make it work.

I think we should all be able to teleport too.

And what happens when the number of fellow humans who A) came here illegally for all the benefits (free public education, Medicaid, WIC, food stamps, housing, etc) or B) who are American citizens but chose NOT to prioritize their free educational opportunities and instead slacked off & received poor grades or dropped out, becomes untenable for the rest of Americans who DID value education, good grades, college or a trade school and who pay their taxes without fail?

I would venture to posit that the majority of Americans who work at minimum wage or low wage jobs are there due to no oneā€™s fault but their own. I grew up in a large American city but in a very ā€œghettoā€ area where low incomes were the norm. My family was not rich but probably low middle class financially, so no ā€œprivilegeā€ financially.
In my high school, almost everyone who actually studied and tried to get good grades went away to college at least a trade school, whereas those students and friends of mine who screwed around, skipped class or didnā€™t study did not go anywhere. At my 10 year reunion I went mainly out of curiosity to see where people ended up and guess what? Those students who were ā€œtoo cool for school/studying/getting good gradesā€ were stuck in low wage or minimum wage jobs in the same area I grew up. Now, I went to the exact same schools they did and thus received the same public education, the difference is I applied myself and got good grades as I knew it was necessary in order to attend college and eventually get a well-paying job for my future self. The same kids I grew up with were also told of how that all works, just like me. None of them were just ā€œunawareā€ that college led to a better job and thus higher income, better healthcare, etc. They simply did not VALUE that and did not want to put in the hard work required to achieve those goals.

So, why should those same slackers be entitled to make $20/hr for serving french fries, changing my tires, etc? Because, as @Njord said, their bills are high? That is not how the system, or life in general, is designed to work. It should be those that work the hardest and sacrifice the most, who set high goals for themselves and then work hard to achieve them, be the people who are able to obtain well paying jobs & the associated benefits. Why should my tax burden be higher to take care of grown adults who, as kids and teenagers, showed absolutely zero drive or initiative and now as adults are struggling due to their POOR LIFE CHOICES?

ā€œCaring about our fellow humans to grow and progress as a societyā€, as you said @cyclonengineer , does not mean that those of us who worked hard to achieve these things should have to carry and lift up [via higher taxes and higher prices due to paying people more for menial jobs/tasks] those who did not put any effort into making their futures any better? Why should I be essentially ā€œpenalizedā€ for being successful while they receive artificially inflated wages because ā€œman, my bills are expensive and this job should pay me more?ā€

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In your private life, sure.

As a matter of public policy your line of thought has been shown to lead to deeply uncaring situations that have regressed the society I live in. Good luck being a low income student with crappy parents at Lewiston Public Schools. 20 years ago you had an institution that at least gave someone like that a decent crack at getting ahead.

Now, after implementing every ā€œstudies sayā€ and ā€œexperts suggestā€ policy with a veneer of compassion, a student at LPS is lucky to graduate without a hard drug addiction or being assaulted, let alone understanding basic mathematics or English composition.

@cyclonengineer Iā€™m surprised you found Trump to be rambling and incoherent. He will talk at length for sure, but I was able to follow along with his line of thought just fine.

If I compare Trump to, say, the average electrical engineer Iā€™ve known speaking about the kind of broad topics a president addresses, Trump seems about as coherent as a person can get.

Regarding forced, non-market value mediated pay increases, is there any concern at all about inflation or do we just ignore supply and demand?

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No one is entitled to make anything. You get what you can. This is a nation that believes in capitalism so if a fast food worker wants to make 100k a year, there is nothing wrong with wanting that. No one complains that they make too much money.

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Yes, inflation will happen, but not by the amount of the minimum wage increase. So middle/high earners will have reduced buying power, while lower earners will have increased buying power.This effect can also be accomplished by a more progressive tax system (which I would prefer as I think it is more fair).

Also, I was bummed that Rogan kind of just got steamrolled throughout. I was hoping he would dig into some cool topics like UFOs, and trumps insider perspectives on dictators/despots.

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Are you familiar with lagging indicators and how they apply in real world scenarios?

And in your mind there is nothing wrong with removing incentive to achieve? Answer in the context of lagging indicators primarily, and for fun morally.

Please elaborate.

How has she ?

Whoā€™s more into a little graft? President Trump or President Biden?

Whoā€™s self-helping actions had more of a negative effect on the US?

It feels like Pres Trump hosted tax payer funded events at his own hotel, to make a few hundred thousand, at the cost of a few hundred thousand. And Pres Biden costs the country billions and billions to make the same amount of money from our adversaries.

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I agree. He at least recognizes when Policy is wrong and the Nation is suffering. That is a huge difference from the current Administration. He is a bit bombastic and uses metaphors too much, but he does care where our Nation sits in the world and recognizes non-sense. That is refreshing right now.

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Iā€™m not saying she hasnā€™t. To get to that level of power it generally has to be done.
I donā€™t believe the levels are comparable though given the size of Trumpā€™s empire.

The problem is, the proposed solution wonā€™t actually do anything to alleviate said suffering.

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I disagree, especially with regards to immigration policy. Foreign policy and immigration policy are two areas where the President can and does make day 1 decisions that have a tremendous impact on everyday Americans.

Just because politics canā€™t solve everyoneā€™s personal problems doesnā€™t mean it makes sense to continue to implement disastrous policies.

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Disagreeā€¦ whatā€™s the arbitrary point at which it becomes a ā€œgriftā€? Perhaps her opinions simply resonate with a lot of people and are tired of self-loathing whyte liberal rejects and their saviour complex trash.