Kind of figure this should be discussed. It is a three hour interview, well worth watching.
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I watched the entire thing and found it to be Rogan being Rogan as Iād expect him to be with a President and Trump as Iād expect Trump to be. I think every American citizen should watch it and judge for themselves.
It was typical of Roganās podcasts where Rogan uses his knack for making his guests feel comfortable and guiding them along in a conversation intended for the layperson.
Without getting into politics, I think it is absolutely fantastic for politicians to do long format, unscripted displays of who they are and how they think. Nobody is perfect, and allowing those imperfections to be seen while also doing your best to make your case is exactly what a politician should have to do to get elected in America.
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Did you happen to see Kamala Harrisā Town Hall with Anderson Cooper?
I saw the part where he gutted her like a salmon.
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It was great. Itās rare to see Trump speaking without being gaslit, talked over, interrupted, cutoff and redirected by moderators.
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I did not. Was it something worth watching?
Only if you want to watch the future of America go down in flames.
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Well, with any luck, we will soon be watching the country go down in flames with Trump as President. That seems a lot better to me than the alternative.
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Trump talks for 3 hoursā¦hard to hide behind word salads and cliches for the entirety of such a long conversation.
Meanwhile, dumbass mass media still trying the old playbook of demonizing the man with clipped, out of context soundbites and scary cliches. LOL.
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Internet virility is the name of the game for this election cycle, and the last. Viral headlines and the ensuing sentiment literally change polls. Theyāre the new fireside chats.
It will be interesting to see if an ability to crossāreference snippets vs context will open some eyes. For example, one of the first post interview articles I saw framed Trumps discussion of China as praise for dictatorship, which of course wasnāt even close. It was a yahoo article that wove in to the broader dialogue of fascism and other dictatorial presumptions. You can clearly see the dishonesty in the article, there is no grey area, if you reference the convo.
Unfortunately we are also at a point of full-on identity politics so I donāt think it matters. This is why Harris has maintained relevance without substance.
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Media doesnāt need to do this - he is doing it himself. Listen to his speeches. Read his X posts. They are either incoherent nonsense or he makes statements that should scare anyone who actually gives a shit about freedom (Iām not saying Kamala gets off scott free here, because she says dumb shit too and some believe she will kill freedom).
Trump is at best an immoral grifter. Always has been. At least he doesnāt hide it.
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Can you please share some examples? Ideally not just the snippets but the broader context they came from as well?
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This.
Unfortunately, due to the dumbing down of Americans from our failed public education systems, a well-crafted internet meme or a brief but impactful viral internet/tik tok/instagram clip can either boost or destroy a candidateās success in elections.
Although I donāt think anyone can deny that this election has now become pretty clear-cut: one party offering solutions for the current issues that are really negatively affecting Americans and the other party screaming doomsday scenarios like āthe end of democracyā or āthe military will round us up to put in jailā or comparing the candidate to Hitler. Which is quite pathetic as the only people actually believing these insane scare tactics will already be voting democrat; they would vote for a 6-year old as long as they had a (D) by their nameā¦[see also Joe Biden].
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Absolutely, and the process takes advantage of āgroup thinkā, even online people are sequestered in to camps of similar thought via deliberately chosen āfollowsā and ensuing algorithms. For the record, this is true on both sides.
Hopefully legitimacy of information is still important, and a scenario like a wide open Rogan interview to reference media response and disingenuous or even dishonest framing can demonstrate just how āfake newsā works, but I doubt it. Many people still have faith in the media, and many people just like hearing what they want to hear regardless of baseline truth.
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Namely, he has stated wages are too high, all the way back in 2015 before the cost of living crisis he helped create by dumping trillions into the economy (sleepy joe helped to)
It also appears he has either deleted or purposely had Musk bury his most recents tweets to the bottom of his page
x.com - one post from a recent rally, rest on the home page are three years old.
Still voting for the guy when he has shown all his cards and is definitely a hateful human (and good friends with known pedophiles) is asinine.
https://ibew.org/media-center/Articles/17daily/1703/170308_AnotherContractor
There are too many of these non-payment stories going back well before he was president including and 18 year running lawsuit for non-payment from an article dated 1998 (itās behind a paywall on NYT website).
He wants to eliminate political rivals as stated on Fox:
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Yet again, I agree with you.
Sadly, just like with most things, people are also VERY quick to spread a video/audio clip of a candidate whenever they make a big gaffe or say something that some people āfeelā is offensive, and the potential to do serious damage to a campaign is massive.
Ask yourself, whenās the last time a friend/co-worker etc. told you that you HAD to check out a clip of a candidate because they had said something that was really impactful or made a ton of sense? Now, how many people told you to check out a clip where Trump or Kamala did or said something that was disastrous?
I didnāt have people telling me to check out clips of Biden when he was making sense[did this ever happen?], but rather when he was falling asleep, tripping while walking upstairs, falling off his bicycle, etc. Same goes for BOTH sides.
This is pretty depressing to me as it clearly means that people care little to really research a candidate & their stances on substantive topics on their own and instead make their decisions based upon whichever side does the better job of framing their opponent as inept/dumb etc. through well-timed video/audio clips
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So the first few points in to your first link already demonstrate the issue of media and context manipulation.
Trump is specifically discussing union workers, and union workers on strike (literally refusing to go to work).
The article refers to āworkersā and makes a general blanket accusation that Trump apparently believes all āworkersā are overcompensated.
There is a big difference between fair wages (which the market largely dictates) and holding the entire nations supply chain hostage without repercussion as an attempt to get even more money, and many of those guys are earning six figures to fairly deep six figures, as unskilled dockworkers.
Whether you agree a forklift operator deserves $200k per year instead of $120k per year (which is already highway robbery for the skill at hand) is your prerogative, but to frame the conversation as anti-worker in general is disingenuous at best. And it works. Youāre an engineer, and a presumably smart guy, but it has you hooked in to the out of context narrative.
As a side note, Iāll never forget visiting Pennsylvania for a work project many moons ago when in the energy industry briefly. We had a cross-over project between an lng pipeline and energy generating plant up there. An old guy sat in a the plant elevator all day asking what floor you wanted and pressing the button for you. That was it. I asked him what he was getting paid and he flat out told me $220k per year. This was roughly 20 years ago, for reference. He laughed about it, said he was an electrician by trade but if he retired his union pension wouldnāt be as high, so his union leaders keep him active and put him in an elevator. Ridiculous. And then people blame politicians for utility prices. I would argue he wasnāt worth $220k as an active electrician either. You can hire them for half of that if unions arenāt fucking with everything. So they are overpaying, per tangible delivered value. In politics we call this bloat and get mad at it 
Another famous viral accusation is Trumpās āracismā over a ābad hombreā comment years ago. And now, thanks to govt immigration relocation services, the rest of the country not along the border gets to experience things like Tren de Agua, human trafficking, drug smuggling direct from the cartel level and all the āunsustainable economic scenariosā that come with it first hand. And the comment makes sense. There are some unvetted bad hombres in the mix, enough to cause legitimate problems for some of our largest cities.
Time after time whatās reported is a manipulation of the underlying meaning of what is said, and itās important to search for context if intellectual honesty is important to your decision making process. Your article makes that case.
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Okay, I can get with you it has been taken slightly out of context. Itās also a two way street. Conservative media has been manipulating information against the other side too.
Russia also had a role here:
Can you really agree with the statements he has made on minimum wage being āfineā. Government employees minimum full time wage is $15 an hour, for private business itās even less. No one today can survive on $30k a year when rent in most places where jobs are is 1500-2k a month for a shithole.
Also, you ignored his comments in the other articles - directly from his posts. He is playing the emotional manipulation card to his uniformed voter base that treats him like a deity (truly, he has a cult of personality following).
Most who used to work for him while president have come out and spoken out against him. Presumably these people are still republicans. Thatās first hand stories of what really went on.
I do agree immigration needs a lot of reform. We probably disagree on what that reform should be.
Heās a convicted felon, likely sexual predator (visited w Epstein on numerous occasions), unfaithful in his marriage (why supposed Christians want to vote for him, I donāt know), says horrendous things about his daughter, and downright hateful to anyone who disagrees with him. All this is well documented, refusal to see it is spinning the narrative in oneās own mind to fit what one wants to see/believe.
Itās not societies job to make life livable. Forcing companies to increase pay vs reinforcing at will employment has already led to traditional minimum wage jobs eschewing human employment for automation anyways, and this trend will continue because the human value of those jobs is lower than the trade-off to hire them at a certain point. Whether we like it or not, itās how it is. If you want something you canāt afford, line yourself up to afford it. Nobody owes you anything for free.
So? Do you know how many people would be in jail if convicted by write-off practices performed by a 3rd party? All evidence was circumstantial. Hush-money and NDAs are common practice in politics and for the wealthy, for better or worse, yet he was selectively targeted? Have you researched outside of your algorithm existence? Legitimately asking. Why isnāt a weaponized court system the issue of concern?
I found the yahoo article referenced in my post earlier. Read the headline, then the article. Then watch the interview segment objectively and ask yourself if the article is even close to honest. Take that lense and rinse/repeat. It will require diligence but if you value intellectual integrity itās a worthwhile exercise:
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Not if heās said that. Minimum wage laws shouldnāt exist at all. Minimum wage is better where it is versus whatever dumbasses want it increased to, though.
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