One could always consider looking at the long history of Trumps campaign and candidacy and ask why so many white supremacists have came out in support of him consistently throughout this time. They didn’t do that with GWB. Best I can tell they weren’t flocking around John McCain.
Maybe it’s all just coincidence.
Did he apologize for it? I really don’t know. I am forgiving if someone makes a mistake, apologizes and changes their ways. I haven’t seen that with Trump.
I can accept that someone is a former racist. I don’t think opinions can’t change.
My guess is white supremacists like lower taxes, too. Given that I can’t see or name any specific policy or government action that is clearly white supremacist (and neither can anyone else, it seems), this seems to be the most obvious explanation.
Should we be concerned that white supremacists support Trump more than Biden? If so, why?
That must be it. That’s why they came out and said finally we have a President who represents us. That’s why they flocked to him and not other candidates. Even though he was far less fiscally conservative than every single Republican candidate.
Come on man, this is just flat putting your head in the sand if you think Trumps sole appeal to these people has been tax policy.
Then it should be easy to explain in clear terms.
Why should I find it concerning that white supremacists support Donald Trump, if there’s no white supremacy manifesting in policy, action or outcome?
You don’t think what politicians say or how they act matters.
Wonder why Obama’s tax cuts weren’t met with praise from the white supremacist population?
Why is Stephen Miller still in Trump’s admin? He has pushed white nationalist ideas and been caught for it. Did Trump miss that in vetting? Surely after all his white nationalist communications were discovered he would know about it and take action? Why no action?
I’m not following your reasoning at all. Can you complete this sentence?
Donald Trump is, according to you at least, the preferred candidate of white supremacists because…
I’m not sure. What odious position or idea did he advance?
…of his Tax Cuts.
(I thought everyone knew that!)
I think this pretty well summarizes it.
Occams Razor would suggest that’s true in the absence of actual white supremacist policies and actions.
Lol you’re being deliberate with this. “No please tell me I have no idea why they like him. I can’t see any reason why he appeals more to them than previous people. Taxes are the only thing I can come up with.”
The reasons why they prefer him are reasons you dismiss as mattering consistently. So do I really need to spend time spelling out what you already know just for you to say none of that is important?
Words matter in politics. Evangelicals have voted GOP for years in large part because of anti-abortion words. Has the GOP ever done anything significant with abortion? Small stuff sure, but never anything significant.
Ahhh so he’s SPLC “Racist”.
Look, I’m sure there’s something in there that’s questionable to the SPLC’s sensibilities, but they are really, really liberal with their definition of “racism” and what constitutes “ties to white supremacy”. I’m not too interested in unpacking the work of the SPLC right now, so forgive me if I take it with a grain of salt.
Again, I’d be VERY concerned if this was creeping into actual policy or government action. This all amounts to boogeyman chasing, just like the entire narrative of white supremacy on the police force that’s got our nation in the worst civil crisis of my lifetime. To believe it, you have to believe that deeply racist motivations, ideas and intentions are present, even though that idea cannot hold up to even basic levels of scrutiny and is not borne out in any set of facts that can be examined.
Even if Stephen Miller is WORSE than the SPLC says he is, what harm has he brought into the world through government policy or action?
I am.
Can you complete the sentence?
IIRC, he pushed hard for the family separation stuff. I found that policy to be pretty cruel and untenable.
Yes I can easily. The last time I did a long detailed post to you you picked one line out and disregarded the body of it. So I’m wondering why I would waste my time. You’ve already decided what you will do with the information I give. You aren’t actually interested in the answer and you know it.
You’ve said in the past that you don’t put much thought into him and that you won’t care what people say about him. You’ve also consistently said that his words aren’t important.
You’re not even remotely interested in me actually completing the sentence.
Fair enough.
That’s not a white supremacist policy, unless you want to stretch the definition to some meaningless point like the SPLC does.
I’m much more concerned about that phenomenon, as most Americans should be right now. It is becoming very, very hazardous to oppose BLM political demands, depending on the circles you live and work in.
Being a racist is the worst thing you can be, after all.
I can agree. At the same time, pushing that policy along with the other statements he has made are enough for me to come to the conclusion that he has some racist ideas, and has implemented some of them.
I think the standard you are looking for to determine white nationalism just isn’t likely to be seen in US politics. Politicians are generally smart enough to cloak policies and even the words they use to not be damningly racist. It is enough that the nationalists can understand, but not enough to have something to be concreate that would be hard to defend.
Yep, because there was one simple point I was trying to make in the context of that thread, illustrated perfectly by this thread.
It is very important to assume good faith. Throw it away at your own risk, unless you want to get into the mind-reading game.
The premise of this thread is an assumption of bad faith. Trump and company chose the date and time for hurtful, unproductive reasons. I don’t see how it is useful or productive to assume bad faith unless you’re in a dangerous conflict of some kind, but I suppose it can make for interesting conversation.