I call BS. Standard divide and conquer psyop playbook.
They can all fuck themselves. Neat little boxes are fun but rarely accurate, like âIsrael bad peopleâ. More like America first, but thanks to a web of bribery, blackmail and activism to include direct political involvement in our govt, Trump is working with a field of play he inherited.
Qatar and the Saudis are interesting whataboutisms to introduce, though. Qatar often takes a mediation role in middle eastern matters with Israel, and was one of the first Gulf states to establish trade relations with the modern political entity of Israel. Saudi Arabia too. In fact they collaborate on Military strategy, security and intelligence. Iâm not sure what point youâre trying to make here, but I donât think youâre in the lane you think you are.
I already addressed China in my first post.
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Oh yes. I forgot about that book. Right by âpropaganda you didnât know you boughtâ, I believe.
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Embrace your hatred, feel the force.
Good luck.
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It will be.
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Just so you know itâs not hatred, at least not top level. But more like Israel isnât special and shouldnât be treated like it is. They are the tail wagging the dog.
But if Epstein was a Mossad agent, and his tactics are implicitly supported and expected by Israelâs govt, then yes. Hatred would be a great description. We backed the wrong side, Jesus killers, rats et cetera.
I donât think we can explicitly make that tie yet though, and even if we do Iâm sure it will tag back to a specific regime vs. âthe peopleâ in general.
Thats true. But the spin, the branding is all so ridiculous. We wiped out their nuclear capabilities (according to Trump administration)in June. Great. Thats something worth intervention. It was enough until suddenly it wasnât.
Then the narrative shifts to âfreeing Iran from tyranny?â Fuck all that. Weâve been here before. Every time weâre assured, âThis time its different.â Persian Spring.
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From my perspective, this time is pretty significantly different, for a variety of reasons Iâve explained across the last decade here on T-Nation.
We all get to learn together if it really is something different or some kind of reincarnation of neoconservatism, with plenty of no-bid contracts for political insiders. Trump 47 has definitely been something different so far, but maybe the Groypers are right about everything and we should follow Nick Fuentes wherever he leads us.
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I hope so. But I have been fooled before. If in 10 years Iran is a great trade partner and a flourishing ally, I owe you a coke.
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Aside from all the political reasons to do this, realistically, we have to use the military from time to time to keep it sharp. One of the biggest advantages we have over China is our actual experience. They have toys, and we have warriors.
@punnyguy had good answer, and it remains to be seen. In Middle East everything is possible.
Iran has very respectable Persian culture and history and it differs a lot from arab states around it. I can see the possibility that they can make it work.
The risk of dictator changing to another is present, but I think iranians are quite fed up with strict Islam and theocratic rule at this point.
Iâve criticized Trump often, but if this turns out to be good for Iranians, itâs a remarkable achievement and I give him credit from it.
Iran is far from freedom though. The oppressive system did not rely just on Khameini, and the opposition has been crushed.
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Should have happened 47 years agoâŠTrump is the only one with balls to do something about Iran
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Gaddafi was murdered by his people.
Assad was dethroned by rebels.
Maduro has been taken to jail.
Khameini is dead.
All of these small country dictators thought they would have protection from allying a bigger dictator. Turns out Russia has proven to be quite weak ally/protector.
Wonder if Lukashenko is shitting his pants at the moment.
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This is key. The direct advantage to the United States is that oil supplying real threats, China and Russia, is becoming scarce. And not before we also positioned for a dominant hand in rare earth minerals for future energy production as well. On the plus side, small precision strikes are delaying or ideally preventing a legitimate WW3 between super powers, however there is still the problem of double agency and root cause analysis for why the game board is organized in the way that it is.
It is incredibly complex and nobody on these boards has a strong enough grasp to be an authority, but for a digital park bench conversation perspective it boils down to countries who wanted to be part of a global organization sharing a common fiat banking system and countries who didnât. The guise was peace, post WW2. The goal was globalization.
Follow that thread historically, who funded it, who lobbied for it and track it to modern day outcome.
And itâs so funny how people are simultaneously âscreamingâ about the Epstein files and exposing corruptionâŠ. but want to ignore the classic âwho, what, where, how andâŠ.importantlyâŠ.WHYâ.
Itâs hard when the narratives weâve bought fall apart.
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Speaking of narratives, you gotta love the liberal pressâs headlines whenever Trump takes out a bad guy.
This one is right up there with Al-Baghdadi being an âaustere religious scholar.â
The israel/usa trend seems to be trying to get a more neutered version on an Islamic dictatorship. It will be replaced with an Islamic dictatorship, history has proven that. But with a softer, less combative Islamic dictatorship.
Agreed, it is ridiculous. Let the whole region figure itself out. Not our problem.
This is Catherine Austin Fitts. I realize many will immediately dismiss the link as itâs from Tucker Carlsons show, but Fitts is a highly accomplished investment banker who understands the financial system very, very well and worked for George H.W. Bush under his presidency. She has also spent time researching and authoring books about high level financial fraud intersecting the banking system itself.
This is a highly academic individual with legitimate mainstream accomplishment and exposure most will never have, certainly not a trending influencer playing on sentiment for clicks. She was doing these things before âinfluencerâ existed.
And relinking my post from yesterday. Also highly academic, discusses Israel directly and existed before the âGroypersâ or whatever the easy write-off is began. Probably since before their guy was even born, lol.
I donât expect anyone to change opinion, especially when already so entrenched in online debates with established hard positions of course, but keep digging and connecting dots privately.
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To be clear, Iâm well aware that Israel and AIPAC are obviously influential and probably too influential, but the Groyper idea that Trump is a puppet entirely under their control doesnât check out for me.
The idea that Groypers, specifically Fuentes, are foreign-boosted and foreign-funded has a lot more evidence. The only thing heâs achieving (besides a considerable income) is undermining MAGA as a movement, encouraging people to not vote (which also impacts local elections), and applying a leftist dialectic to advance the idea of race-based social justice, but with different in and out-groups compared to the woke left (aka National Socialism complete with Hitler admiration).
When the entire impact of an âinfluencerâ like Fuentes is to strengthen woke leftism by undermining the only organized political movement to have success against the massive tide weâve experienced, he earns the label âwoke rightâ.
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Me neither. I didnât even know what a groyper was until I read about them on this website sometime last year.