The vast majority of the Iranian population is on our side. The Persians are capable of instituting a government of their own in a way Afghans and Iraqis are not. I don’t this situation is the same as those. And I don’t think Trump would ever let it happen. We will have to have troops on the ground for a while, but it won’t be years.
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Vast majority wants current regime out, I’m not sure if it’s the same thing as in your side, but it makes things easier.
It largely depends on how US would handle the situation after occupation. Afghanistan is a case of it’s own, I agree, but Saddam was not a loved leader and US had opportunity to make things work. They just fucked it up completely and let the country fall in to chaos. Maybe lesson is learned, or maybe not.
Nobody knows for certain how this will develop. US will beat Iran in open conflict, but you have had your share in asymmetrical conflicts and they’re not always so easy to end as they seem. There is a chance that pro-goverment rebel cells would keep terrorizing the country after occupation.
Lmao, bow to Mecca? All religion is laughable as humans created all of it.
Oh so now it is just gas? Do you have any idea what else is made with oil? Try everything.
But lets not look at our debt or how strapped most Americans already are. We MUST fight the holy war with our “greatest ally” at any cost.
What is short term to you? If you think this is going to be short term, I have some bridges to sell you.
Iran is very large and has 90 million people. We can “beat” them militarily for sure, but what does that really mean and at what cost?
On a good note, I hear defense stocks and weapon manufacturer stocks are up. Oh and oil futures are probably doing well if you are positioned correctly. Ask Congress and Trump.
It seems as though Israel has become the 21st Century version of the ominous “THEY” of the 20th Century.
There must always be someone to blame.
That’s what I was trying to say. If 70% of population supports US intervention, it still leaves 27 million people who don’t want you there. There’s at least few thousand potential suicide bombers in that group.
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Well, the first century too. They did kill Jesus.
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Not so. Jesus laid down His life. He accomplished His mission.
The Jews did accept the blame.
Matthew 27: 23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
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Pilate was following Roman tradition of showing impartial application of law. It was an act signifying personal innocence in judicial decision, and pre-dated Jesus significantly.
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What does that have to do with the price of apples in China?
No one killed Jesus!
I mean, it’s basically Marxism evolved, which is well-documented as a fundamentally international movement beginning with Marx himself. Unlike the idea that Jews control the world in the shadows, you can read the Marxist writings encompassing some 21 or so social science theories at this point. You can observe the growing prevalence of these ideas in academia and you can often feel the social and professional pressure to go along with the ideas. You can watch movies and television from around 2010 and prior and compare them to “woke” movies of today and notice how radially different they are in regards to the political messages they convey.
International Marxism is also decentralized by design in the USA, which lends a certain degree of plausible deniability to Marxists posing as Democrats, Marxists posing as Christian preachers, and even Marxists posing as moderates or even conservatives to engage in old-fashioned communist entryism.
The Democratic Socialists of America isn’t even a political party, but somehow their policy platform is being adopted across the western world during roughly the same time frames. What we call Democratic Socialism may have been more normal in Europe for longer, but here in the USA it means that today’s Democratic Party platform is incompatible with the same party’s platform only two decades ago. Many people who support these policies are completely clueless about the philosophical and intellectual origins of these ideas, but again the academics who dreamed up things like Critical Race Theory, Queer Theory, Cultural Marxism and so on wrote it all down for anyone to go read about.
Antifa is a good example of how they operate. Media stooges tell us it doesn’t even exist while academics write books about what self-identified Antifa should think and what sort of actions they should be taking. I read Mark Bray’s Antifa: The Antifascist Hanbook, which is sort of an update of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. There’s a newer iteration of this tactical manual called Beautiful Trouble that I will get around to reading at some point. I can observe these tactics right here in Lewiston and notice how similar they are to the tactics in other places. There is obviously a high level of organization behind it, and you can even identify the 501(c)(3) and 501(c)(4)’s who openly advocate for the broad set of policies.
The Groyper-aligned worldview states that the Jews are behind the woke movement as well, and while there are certainly many Jewish people associated with wokeness, there’s also no shortage of every other ethnic group you can imagine pushing these ideas and getting on board with the woke mob at every level of government and society. If you believe what Hitler wrote, Marxist-Leninism was fundamentally Jewish, but I’m not sure how he’d explain countries like Cambodia, China, much of Africa, South America, and every other place that figured out how to package the oppressor-victim framework for their local populations. To believe Jews are behind it all means that none of the people who got roped into this very seductive ideology where you get to be the hero all the time have any sort of personal agency. The same applies to free market capitalism if you agree with Hitler’s take that Jews controlled that as well. Believing one group is that powerful and that malicious is what led them to policies of mass murder along with redefining citizenship, property rights, legal rights, etc along ethnic lines and then executing their policies.
From what I can observe, you don’t need a shadow government pulling all the strings to get people to go along with taking stuff from other people under whatever pretense they can dream up. Nobody would argue that the Jews were behind German National Socialism, and they still got on board the social justice train with a very similar set of ideas and policies that today’s woke left has, just with different in and out-groups. You don’t need Jewish overlords to dream up rent control, price controls, wage controls, central economic planning, race-based social justice, progressive taxation, marginalized ethnic groups, oppressive ethnic groups, grievance politics, censorship, or imprisoning your political opponents.
There’s also the matter of tax returns for US-funded organizations promoting these ideas across the globe, which is how we know that tax dollars get spent on promoting transgenderism and every other woke idea across much of the globe. It’s all there to observe, unlike our supposed Jewish overlords, which can only be explained in vague and highly speculative terms.
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Why do religious apologetics always end in broken logic, intentional fallacy and fact avoidance?
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True. Marx has a huge impact in several social sciences.
Partly true, though I don’t see every show following the trend. It’s just one branch.
But it’s not cohesive, or globally organized, or consists of around only one ideology. Hell, if some political group is good at dividing themselves as different factions, it’s the left.
I don’t see all Social Democracy (which is often vastly different from hard Marxism) aligning with ”woke” liberalism for example. Communism/radical leftism even less. Many conservative communists claim that LGBTQ, pro immigration and other stuff people relate to vague term of woke are result of ”liberal rotten capitalism”.
So even though these ideas and values are prevalent in many levels in society, they aren’t as organized as one might think.
I give one more example: conservative nationalism is on the rise all around the world, but when you look different political movements or individual actors who fit in this category, you’ll find out there is no single mind or direction there. Neither there is one behind more leftist movements.
Sure. Tax dollars are also used support other political groups, religious groups and many other NGOs. I’m sure some of them are corrupt as hell, others are not.
So no, there are no Jew overlords or Marxist overlords. There are different groups, organizations and individuals with different agendas. Some have more influence than others, but nobody holds the crown.
You changed the subject. The subject was you claiming that the Jews killed Jesus. I said not so. And added that the only thing that the Jews did was take the blame for killing Jesus.
I added a scripture passage where verse 23 and 24 added necessary context for verse 25. Then you decided to expound on Roman law.
Don’t come at me about my lack of logic.
You either believe that the Jews killed Jesus or you don’t.
They objectively did. You changed the subject with an outright denial of objective history.
The Jews killed Jesus, lol.
Roman Law was the backdrop of the judicial decision and the legal authority allowing it, of which Pilate was signifying.
You’re twisting again.
But I get it, walk by faith. And the rest is a mystery, no matter how objective. It has to be to work.
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All my faith is in the inerrant word of God as it is in the KJV Bible. You likely discard that outright. And that is okay with me.
But whenever you decide to use my Saviour in any post that dishonors Him, expect a response from me. From my perspective you started this, whether you acknowledge it or not.
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I think the terms Social Democracy vs Democratic Socialism is where some of the breakdown is happening here. In the USA, Democratic Socialists are explicitly Marxist and generally embrace and incorporate every one of the Marxist social science theories I mentioned. The Democratic Party is now nearly completely aligned with the DSA in policy, rhetoric, and leadership, although vestiges still remain of 1990’s and ‘00’s era Democrats who are happy to go along with it. These wacky ideas aren’t just academic musings, but public policy drivers. I’m probably missing the mark a bit here, but when I think of Scandinavian Social Democracy, I think more along the lines of free market capitalism with a very high tax burden and high levels of social services. Democratic Socialists support increasing taxes and public spending as well, but they are quite clear that their goal is not to stabilize and grow the existing society, but to destabilize it and overthrow the social and political order of things to elevate the groups they label as “marginalized”.
They are revolutionaries, in other words.
It may be worldwide and coordinated, but I think your own country of Finland (along with places like Poland) show that people can still exercise personal agency and have things like sensible immigration policies. Mass migration in particular was extremely coordinated at a global scale, and there were zero politicians who campaigned on the idea of importing so many immigrants that towns like mine end up with 1/3 of the student body speaking a combined 42 languages needing translation services. It was done to us by very dishonest actors, which is how Marxists are trained to operate. From what I can discern, the flow of people followed the flow of policy, which also followed the flow of ideas. The woke ideas were shoved down everyone’s throats at roughly the same time, but some places spit it out while others, like Maine, had all of the pathways cleared for the flow of ideas, policy, and people to be maximized.
At the state level we have had zero residency requirements for generous (compared to other US states) social welfare for many decades. That means people could move here and begin collecting right away, which is the primary reason why Somalis already settled in Georgia and Tennessee decided to move to Maine beginning roughly 25 years ago. The Mayor of Lewiston actually wrote a letter to the Somali community discouraging further resettlement because representing the city was his job. It was a very graciously-worded letter but it was immediately amplified into national news calling him a racist, with Rolling Stone Magazine picking up the story and an award-winning documentary being made about the situation. That backlash was a huge part of paving the way at the local level here in Lewiston. Somalis became a protected class that you couldn’t criticize in any way without serious repercussions, and they are still running the same playbook to try and silence anyone who objects to things like fraud rings and rampant violence.
The other major ingredient in baking this cake was Maine’s lack of voting process security, which enables anyone to register to vote and cast a vote with no documentation proving citizenship or residency. We can see that this is a nationwide effort with the opposition to the SAVE act and Voter ID in general.
Well, there isn’t as much easy money in free market liberalism that can simply be extracted from the public then be laundered back into the leftist political parties and activist groups. People don’t need a massive institutional infrastructure to want lower taxes, economic freedom, and a more stable society. Conservative PACs and activists certainly exist, but that infrastructure is miniscule compared to the publicly-funded woke activist machine that includes higher education and, in states like Maine at least, the public school system.
“Overlords” isn’t the right term for the Marxists, Democratic Socialists, woke left, or any other term you might apply, but it might have been if the 2024 Presidential election went the other way. Four more years of mass migration might have been enough to destabilize society to the point where a de-facto one-party Democratic Socialist state could be achieved in the USA, which would have been really bad news for the rest of the world. As of right now, they’re on the defensive and the tide seems to be rolling back, but that could all change if our elections aren’t secured and the border gets re-opened like it was during the Biden era, which also included a lot of other related policies to empower noncitizens to vote anywhere that it could be achieved.
The big difference I see is that woke can be positively identified at this point, especially now that we have DOGE types using AI to accurately trace the flow of public money through a mind-boggling network of nonprofits. McCarthy didn’t have that in the 1950’s, so it was easy to malign him as a paranoid nutjob and for Democrats to gaslight the public about their actual intentions for decades afterwards. Gaslighting is still a staple tactic, and many people including elected officials participate in it unknowingly, fully believing narratives like “Maine’s elections are secure”. My representative in Maine’s state government publicly called me a liar when I made a post on our city’s page explaining that no documentation was required to register to vote in Maine. It’s possible that he knew what I wrote was true (I later linked the law itself along with the ACLU’s voting guide), but I think he actually believes the narrative of secure elections that gets promoted in all of our legacy media and by our Secretary of State. Some of what is happening is so bonkers that the facts themselves are quite difficult to believe.
Ok.
But the Jews killed Jesus.
Let’s see if you can present the case that the Jews, or any Jew, could be legally convicted of killing Jesus.
Is there any historic account that any Jews nailed spikes into the hands and feet of Jesus? Did any Jew take a sword and pierce the side of Jesus in the side while He hung on the cross?
I believe that all objective sources will show that only the Romans participated in the actual crucifixion of Jesus. I believe that you will find that the Romans (the government) had the sole authority concerning capital punishment in Israel.
I’m not picking any sides in the religious debate going on right now, but it is perfectly fair game in the Trump thread. As a casual observation, it demonstrates how difficult it would be for any political party to unite around a banner of “Christian Nationalism”. You’re going to have a lot of disagreement about what that means.
Historically-speaking, Republicans are the party of trying to keep religious differences out of public policy and uniting around the ideas of equal protection under the law, US Citizenship as the basis for voting rights, no racial, religious, or sexual preference tests for obtaining US Citizenship, free markets, and core human rights (not invented rights like housing).
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When the British monarchy ordered an execution, was the King innocent because an executioner dropped the axe?
I’m surprised you’re not better at unwrapping the allegory of washed hands instead of just misrepresenting significance.