You think the Jews could ORDER the Romans to kill someone?
You stated that the Jews killed Jesus. Prove it and quit changing the subject.
Even better. They lied about him, framed him as a threat to Rome, made a case of subversion and theft andā¦ā¦ manipulated an outcome.
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The problem with conversations with religious zealots is that youāll twist words, manipulate context and literally make shit up based on subjective faith and thatās not a wormhole worth chasing. Keep your narrative.
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Oh, God came down himself and wrote it?
Or people did? People that literally canāt get a story right passed around a room much less over history and when used for control and corruption.
If weāre being super technical Roman soldiers crucified him, directed by Pilate, who had to or the thousands of jews in town were going to riot if he didnāt. I think RTās point is it wasnāt against Christās will. It was a fulfillment.
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Okay, I was once a solidly convinced atheist. There is no way that I could prove that the Jews killed Jesus.
So atheist to atheist, prove that the Jews killed Jesus.
Why have you never posted on a thread involved with weight training or related subject threads? Just pick any one of the treads and post that you donāt know enough to have an opinion, and Iāll be satisfied.
We kind of bogged down on semantics. I think the larger question is, why have the jews been hated for so long? Is there something inherent in their genetics, culture, religion that makes them a target? Are any of the historical criticisms warranted? I canāt think of a similar sized group of people that are constantly being blamed for 4000 years of shit. If the āanti semitesā are right, its crazy. If theyāre wrong, its crazy.
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Go back and read instead of avoiding context. Even today if you put somebody up to murder, you are considered a principle party and charged with murder. Because youāre responsible for the murder. Youāre playing intentionally dumb in the broader context of the post and being extremely indignant in the process, after misrepresenting the gesture of Pilate - which in accurate application furthers the point.
You want to believe differently, and thatās your prerogative.
This conversation, however, has gotten dumb.
I understand what Pilate was doing. Nonetheless the crucifixion could not have happened to Jesus unless Pilate allowed it. All the Jews contributed were words of anger, without any physical action, only the threat of action.
Clearly, from the scripture the Jews had no evidence of anything Jesus did that warranted capital punishment. Pilate soon became aware of that too.
So, atheist to atheist, I see your point. I would have said that Jesus got Himself crucified in spite of the evidence. The Jews convinced Pilate that he would be happier if he just had Jesus crucified. So the government killed Jesus to keep the peace and it was the Jews fault.
Wellā¦according to some on here the Jews control the world
I can lift more than you ever have, so why would I care what you think?
Plus, you guys are too fun here.
I see you canāt answer my question though you just yet again resort to this garbage which is an answer in itself. I would have thought at your advanced age youād be better than this.
I was far enough off topic in my discussion on who killed Jesus, so I will not defend the inerrant word of God with you in this thread. If you want to discuss that start a thread and I will explain my position.
Sure thing chubby.
Maineās Secretary of State (who is also running for Governor, conveniently overseeing her own election), says āHell Noā to Trumpās most recent executive order requiring a form of citizenship verification.
@SepCalla This particular politician is a good example of a Democratic Socialist revolutionary who doesnāt explicitly identify herself as a Democratic Socialist, but broadly supports all of the policies they espouse that would have been entirely out of place in The Democratic Party 20 years ago. She all but admits that noncitizen voting is vitally important to her cause, along with ensuring that Maineās system of elections remains completely and totally insecure.
Itās just a rhetorical game of plausible deniability at this point. They come up with all kinds of silly pretenses against voting integrity measures that are well-understood to be fair and effective in pretty much the rest of the world.
That explains enough.
Thanks.
Depending on the size of the ship works out on average $250,000-$2,000,000.
But, just a few more weeks of Epstein Fury and all will be fine. Trump said so himself, so it must be true.
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