Oh I don’t disagree about Trump rallies, and it’s awful. I was referring to the millions numbers… I just don’t want to believe there are that many of those scumbags lol
Which of the two major parties in the US do you believe is closer to the NAZI party in the government they desire to create? Why?
Not trying to drag this into the “everyone is a NAZI” debate. Just your honest assessment of our current parties.
The media has really grabbed ahold of this term and it stuck. “Coup” is another they’ve been working in there. Neither of those things were attempted. Riot sums it up pretty well. That or “violent selfie session.”
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I’ve seen a story floating around that there is a suspect in custody for the murder of capitol police officer Sicknick.
I’m not going to name and post pics just yet, but it’s easy enough to find.
How about the idea that the Capitol is some sort of impenetrable fortress?
According to trump it’s hundreds of millions at his rallies haha.
Btw, long-haired ginger douche photographed carrying out Pelosi’s lecture has had an anklet slapped on him while he awaits trial (just like you said should happen). His lawyer, when asked about the photo said “yep, that’s gonna be problematic” hahahahaha
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Neither party is even remotely close to supporting an industrialized killing program meant to wipe out entire races of people. Both parties are so far from nazis it is not even worth discussing.
My point in bringing up nazis and white supremacists is that it should be very problematic to people that they all seem to be drawn to trump and his message, and largely accepted by the crowds that show up to trump rallies… Far more accepted than a democrat or even member of the press is there.
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These guys succeeded in delaying a critical step in the transition of power. You should give them more credit.
But that’s not what I asked.
I think you’re forgetting that was the only thing the Nazis wanted. You need to forget anything else you’ve ever “learned” about Nazis, because that stuff isn’t important.
I think a lot of those pitiful fools believed they were indeed part of a coup. The woman who was killed certainly thought so.
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The Nazis didn’t even know what kind of government they wanted to create. Hitler was out of his depth in that regard. He was out of his depth in many regards.
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I think both parties are miles away from it, but both parties use that example with jaw dropping rapidity.
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As others have noted, neither party is anywhere close to being like the Nazis. However, on the Democrat side, fairly recently we’ve seen Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib compare boycotting Israel with boycotting Nazi Germany. The far left has a problem with anti-Semitism. Start with anybody who starts talking about the problems with Zionists, dig a little and the anti-Semitism will become apparent.
On the Republican side the obvious current comparison could be made with the blind devotion to Trump, the hate and divisiveness he has stoked and normalized etc. Still, the comparison falls far short. Hitler was a true believer in a sick cause while Trump is just greedy. Hitler was also smart enough to stoke hate and violence against small minorities of Germany while Trump will never get close to having half the people in this country fully bought into his cause.
In regard to using coup and/or insurrection to describe the events of 1/6, coup is too strong a word (at the moment) but insurrection is a pretty accurate term for what occurred. For many of the people there your “violent selfie session” probably fits pretty well. The leaders of the assault had bigger plans though. The zip ties? What was the plan for those? Remember what the same kind of people were planning in Michigan. It’s not far fetched at all to think that those Trump supporters were attempting to violently alter the course of the electoral college certification. The investigation is just starting and the word is that the scope of it is vast. Given what we know so far it seems likely that they’ll find some complicit people from inside the government and/or the Capital Police.
Also, no matter what you call it this isn’t over apparently. The same people are calling for armed protests at the Capital and all the state Capitals on and before the inauguration. If that occurs which seems likely, we’ll look back on it and see that 1/6 was the first event in a larger misguided movement based on lies.
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I’m not going to cover the capitol riot because we are all pretty much on the same page in terms of how disgusted we are with it.
Here’s the thing: I’m largely right of center leaning, and would absolutely prefer a conventional GOP platform fiscally. But the democrat platform is not anywhere close to the evil that was present in Germany in the 30s and 40s.
I think it absolutely does a disservice to even mention them in the same sentence, similar to the way I think it is absolutely insane to call the GOP party “fascist” (well, at least till the last couple weeks. Now I understand why people want to say that even if I disagree).
By comparing any party to those villains we essentially remove all middle ground, which in my opinion is one of the key things that has led us to this impasse in our country. If you believe one party is even able to be mentioned in the same sentence as the Nazis, then it becomes much easier to support literally ANYBODY but them… And you end up with demagoguery and riots in the Capitol.
You cannot and should not allow those comparisons be made.
Neither party is even close.
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Intelligence has nothing to do with it.
They did kill one cop and injured others. Imagine what a guy who was willing to hit a cop in the head with a fire extinguisher would have done to Pence had he found him.
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LOL! Wow, a moment of truth. What else can you say really?
Agreed. I don’t think everyone did by any means, but when you’re told repeatedly “we have to take our country back!” Well… yeah. There were definitely people who believed that in the rioters.
That’s what I was saying. There were people there who were prepared to take hostages and more and if they had broken through before the police evacuated congress it wouldn’t been a much worse. They were literally calling fore Pence’s head.
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From their perspective that’s obvious. From mine, it was a violent mob. I don’t see it as having to pick one or the other; both can be true. I think there are many on the GOP side of things who want to focus on what they really were, a mob, rioters, etc., in order to avoid facing the reality that the president encouraged them to believe they were something more. When you think coup, you think of a thought out plan with some “mastermind” behind it. You can see why they would want to deflect from Trump’s responsibility in what happened because if he was the “mastermind” then impeachment would be letting him off easy.
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Which is why I think the term insurrection is more accurate (no grand mastermind and no well thought out plan). But it is painfully obvious that Trump wants to stay in power by any means necessary, so it does fit. He’s no mastermind but he did repeatedly pitch this idea over and over. So yes, I think it can be used.
If you know anything about what I’ve been saying I don’t like setting precedents where we can use more inflammatory statements than needed (see my post about “which party is closer to Nazi’s intended govt”). I don’t expect better than that from the media but I really don’t want to start throwing words around which are associated with military dictatorships and backwards countries.
We do not need desensitization to the word “coup”.