Thinking about adding 90mg/week primo to my 180mg TRT (making it sports “TRT” lol)
Stats: Currently on 180mg/week MWF. Been on for about 7 months. I do full body workouts at home with barbells and dumbells, twice a week. I am experiencing newbie gains like I am in my 20s (am in my 40s now). I do cycling cardio 6-8 hours per week. Mental state is very good. 6’2" 195 lbs +/-. Diet is (honestly) about 2-4 meals a week away from going to from okay to good. I’ve greatly reduced my sugar intake.
I’m wanting to try primo. In some ways I am just PED curious and want to see what happens. If it wasn’t for my cycling hobby, I’d be interested in some of the more potent mass gainers. But I do have some underlying goals which I think primo might help with based on my internet research.
Improved body composition. A little more muscle, not more weight. I know, diet can handle this to some degree and I am making small incremental changes. I’m going on a cruise in 4 months. I’m already stoked with my phsyique progress, but wouldn’t mind being better.
Slight increase in red blood cells. Most people want to avoid this, but I welcome a slight increase. My HCT is in the mid 40’s. I’d potentially like it to be a bit higher to improve endurance when I am doing long distance, competitive bike rides.
Minor side effects. I have developed some backne, but nothing alarming. My teenage self would be envious. I think primo could contribute more, but unsure of this small of a dose… Negligible increase in water retention. I’m guessing between 5 to 10 pounds of my new weight is water weight. In a lot of ways, equipoise might be better for some things I’m looking for, but it seems it would come with more sides that I don’t want.
I’m just looking for general advice on what to consider, what to look out for. I have read it could crash my estrogen. But man, I have read so many things about testosterone that compared to my own experience, it seems like there are a lot of hormon hypochondriacs on the internet. At the same time, I have a lot of respect for this stuff and want to be eyes wide open both for the good and the bad.
I’ve read mixed reviews on the efficacy of such a small dose. Do you have experience with primo? I would consider doing more, but having an estrogen crash and being all depressed and moping around is something I want to avoid, particularly in intrest of maintaining employment.
I agree with @blshaw and @Andrewgen_Receptors. 90mg/wk priom will do virtually nothing for you except help your hairline recede. You would be better off raising test to 300mg/wk and hitting the gym/cardio hard.
I think the above quote leads to you trying primo at your proposed dosage. Finding out it didn’t ( doesn’t) do anything. Then upping the dose and experimenting with more and also other compounds.
That being said. I just started a little Test and EQ run myself. In case you have questions.
haha, it’s definitely not TRT. It’s sports “TRT” lol. I’m middle aged but no history with the “scene”. From all the stuff I read and listen to, “doing roids” seems to insinuate being on a gram or more of stuff. But it’s all semantics really. I’m trying to do the most I can without creating health issues.
Semantics / gray area talk is when someone is taking TRT to the point they are above normal ranges. IMO this is still PED/Steroids as abusing Testosterone is the equivalent. Certainly any anabolic other than testosterone is using steroids, even in low doses. The sad part is many clinics, even the good ones, will prescribe Nandrolone and Anavar even though they have no place in a TRT regimen. Not that I have a problem with it, just so long as nobody is fooling themselves or others.
Actually I am curious about EQ. From what I’ve read, I am a bit hesitant because although it seems to be very effective at increasing RBC, which is great for endurance, it has more potential for water retention and I’ve read a lot of anecdotal stuff about it causing anxiety. It also doesn’t aromotize but converts into some weird estrogen-like, but not estrogen substance. I’m not fully clear on it, but Derek from MPMD goes into it and really bags on it. My endurance has improved on the testosterone alone, but I’ve also gained 15 pounds…so it’s a wash on the bike.
What is your dosage and stack? How long have you been doing it and how is it going?
The usual cause of EQ anxiety is from low E2. It is a fairly low aromatizer. I believe that EQ acts as an AI in regards to ones E2 numbers but can cause E1 numbers to go up. As always blood tests would confirm, as I could affect each person differently.
I watched the video as well and although Dereck is not a fan of EQ I’m not sure he has had any personal experience with the compound. If you look into the comments section, you can see a lot of EQ users that have had positive experiences with it.
I’ve been on TRT for a while and this is my first blast. I started slow and titrated up.
Wk1 180 Test/150 EQ/ 120 Mast
Wk2 185 Test/180 EQ/ 180 Mast
WK3 200 Test/200 EQ/ 200 Mast
WK4 255 Test/252 EQ/ Dropped the Mast
WK5 352 Test/351 EQ
WK6 500 Test/405 EQ
WK7 500 Test/405 EQ
WK8 500 Test/405 EQ
I have blood work scheduled for next week and as long as it comes back good and continues to do so. I plan on running this for 16wks total before stopping the EQ and titrating down the Test.
