I’ll bite. Excel male was the first forum I visited before TRT was an option. I went there because I needed concrete experience on the use of Cialis daily. Then I found this place, and I went to TRT since I was hypogonadal. Nelson has slowly become more open to new ideas since I know that he is progressive, but with age comes a bit of stubbornness that is not so easy to wrangle. Only time will tell. The same goes for protocols. I do respect the man and his journey. He is a walking testament of what TRT can do to keep you alive under the worst circumstances. On the other side of the coin there is more coin. So no loss there. Trust yourself and how you feel.
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I dont think Nelson is the main issue there, seems there are other influential people on this forum that freak out when you advocate maintaining higher t or e2 levels than the holly lab ranges. The funny thing is the one arguing most with me that I wake up night time some times because of my too high levels is having the same problem 
He would also say that all my other markers should be crashed, then I posted my perfect CBP, lipids and inflammation markers that havent worsened since TRT and then he bitterly concluded Im chasing estrogen of a woman lol. He doesnt respect Neil Rouzier and cannot understand even a bit the genius of this man and at the same time suffers from all kinds of issues. I feel sorry for this guy and bis burden of old faulty beliefs.
Ive had a bit of contact with Nelson when I posted a thread about trying to balance between testosterone and HCG.
I was surprised he suggested me to switch to his protocol which is t and hcg twice weekly which didnt make any sense to me, provided I was injecting the testosterone daily and I said a few tomes I wanna avoid fluctuations as much as possible.
But what surprised me most at this forum is that people are complaining from all kinds of issues, most of them obviously related to hormone fluctuations, they consider micro dosing AIs, close control on numbers and stuff but do not want to statt daily injections. They doom themselves on a life of paranoia and obsession over numbers this way ans I cannot understand that.
Seems the people like me that start TRT now have the advantage to access much better resources without being obsessed by the burden of the old dogmas.
Since you have addressed me and kept lying, I think it’s best to reply to you here, so people knows who they are dealing with.
People called you mentally ill on excelmale, not because of what you are saying, but because of your attitude and the clear inability of understanding even the basics of endocrinology. While I don’t think you are mentally ill, I think you have some comprehension issues, along with a tendency to lie. This is the thread on excelmale for whoever is interested:
Just as an FYI, I’ve been a member of this forum long before you and I’ve seen the KSman era, Physiolojic period and I’m here with this new trend, or the dbossa trend if you prefer (sorry Danny, just kidding with you).
I had discussions with dbossa here on the forum, that are available for you to read, and I spoke with him through email. We agree to disagree and what he has been preaching has been proven to be ineffective with me and other people as well.
Now, your case has been proven to be completely different. You jumped in the conversation thinking you could start advising people on how to run their protocol, just parroting what you hear, with no clue of what that means in any case.
You embarrassed yourself in several occasions with statements that ignore the basics of endocrinology, the worst being “when your testosterone plummet, your E2 will rise”, which in a TRT context is absolute ignorance.
You omitted the fact that you are on cabergoline, which as physiolojic explained in the past, is a problematic drug, like all the dopamine agonist drugs.
And yet, you came to preach against AIs, which long term use neither I would advice in any case.
You posted one study that backfired against you, because you have been unable to understand it.
Your sleep has worsened on TRT, as per your admission, and it’s documented by a thread on excelmale you opened crying out for help.
So if I was you, I would have just kept my mouth shut and avoid going around advising people on how to run TRT and how you feel “awesome” and how you know people feeling the same. Because clearly you don’t know what you are talking about.
I refrained myself to give advice to anyone, because I’m not a doctor and no one here has the whole picture of what’s going on with someone else health. There maybe underlying health issues you don’t know.
KSman messed up several people with his bro-science on thyroid and body temperature.
Lastly, for your record, my sleep issues started well before TRT, when I was waking up several times per night. When on TRT, on a higher dose of testosterone, the problem gets worse and it’s impossible for me to fall asleep as well, especially with a daily protocol of both enanthate or propionate.
Go back and read the posts physiolojic made about the nonsense of injecting longer esters everyday.
Pharmacokinetics are pharmacokinetics after all.
@appassionato - not to lessen your message, but it’s been proven he was a 100% complete fraud. Physio wasn’t even a real endocrinologist. He was a registered sex offended and a con man.
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@appassionato I’m sorry I wasn’t able to help. Obviously there are the outliers where what works for the majority doesn’t work for others. I hope I did not make anything worse for you.
@bcostigan41 there was an error in my statement about physio… he doesn’t have a supplement company either.
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@appassionato there is one thing you have mentioned here, however, that I can confirm with certainty. There have been a TON of guys who only achieved symptom resolution by doing small daily shots. Anything less than that would cause fluctuations that caused them issues. This is more apparent in low SHBG guys.
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I had suspects on his identity, because I had some emails exchange with him and he was always terrified about revealing his identity.
In his defence, I have to said that he gave me back all of my money when asked to.
Yet, he was quite knowledgeable on the topic.
No, don’t worry dude.
I’m back on a twice weekly injection protocol with a lower dose at the moment and it’s been the best since I started TRT for now.
Daily propionate didn’t work either.
Awesome! I just want guys to find what works best for THEM. I have met plenty who have confirmed twice weekly was best for them after having tried everything. I’ll suggest daily for those who are a real mess and can’t figure it out (just to keep things as stable as possible) but even then you’ve got 1 in 10 that don’t do well on it.
Wouldn’t it be great if there was just one damn correct answer that applied to everyone?
Not sure if you guys heard that podcast on Ben Greenfield… the guy with the TRT clinic (I won’t say his name here) but we made a video debunking most of it. Some of it was just crazy!
You are the one distorting things and talking bulshit and insulting so I will start all over again.
Yes I put a thread my night time wake ups worsened a bit after starting TRT, but also I said otherwise I feel AWESOME. So I said instead of changing the protocol as you suggested being afraid of the numbers I will wait instead to see what will happen first.
You started telling me my levels are too high and my e2 is too high, but there is no single piece of evidence suggesting high e2 is bad for anything - on the contrary, only benefits - for heart function, for reducing visceral fat and for libido. Neil Rouzier who is the DOCTOR in the TRT world has stated this in many lectures backed by studies. Yes, clearly he is way better than me in reading and presenting studies, and he is winning in court with that.
So one guy was complaining of issues with protocol and I suggested he tries daily. I dont care who the guy you mentioned here is, but daily injections with longer esters have been proven very effective in the majority of people with issues on more rare doses. And no pharmacokinetics does not work so simple. Everyone excretes test with a different rate. @dbossa for example is a hyperexcreter and there are many others like him.
Lastly you said I should have worsened health markers and I posted them and they are not a bit worsened than before TRT.
Of course the discussion was much longer, but I state now what I remember as the main points.
Basically I stated the ideas of a few doctors I know and respect including dr Keith Nichols and dr Neil Rouzier. So I should trust them or you?
My bad, I thought this may have led to something, but the comprehension limits are very true indeed.
You keep lying as well.
The thread is there for anyone to see, and you have been banned so you can’t edit messages, like you usually do.
In a nutshell, you just didn’t advice on going daily, that was just part of it.
Your HDL is low and your IGF-1 is high. Some other markers have been omitted saying they were in another page, out of the screenshot.
The screenshot was an excel sheet, because you said the originals were in Bulgarians, so knowing your tendency to lie, that doesn’t make you credible.
You are taking cabergoline, for your high prolactin, that would have gone even higher with that E2 level. A simple Google search will show you the exacerbation of hyperprolactinemia with a high E2 driven by exogenous testosterone.
You can believe whoever you want. Santa Claus as well for what it matters. Many believed KSMAN, others physiolojic (me included, but at least I went out after 2 weeks and I didn’t lose anything). The difference between me and you, is that I don’t advise people on a forum on what to do and how to run their protocol. It’s a dangerous game and can mess up many people health. I’m on forums to learn and double check what I read here with other sources and studies.
Then decide if it’s a good idea or not.
There’s a thread on excelmale with a discussion between Keith Nicols and Dr Saya. Take your time to read it.
That being said, I’m done with you. There is nothing useful that will come out of it. At least you have been banned from excelmale, so you can’t really do any more damage there.
Ah, please report back on how your SHBG will rise once you will lose body fats.
Again you are talking garbage, they have been almost the same like pre TRT. IGF-1 rose with like 10 points in that scale which can be a fluctuation as well. And I have told you this
So what that Im taking cabergoline have you asked me about that? That doesnt change anything about my test and e2 levels being “too high”
So what do I care? I will just raise my dose then to compensate
You are a bit paranoid. I will invest my time to edit my messages, to fake my blood work for the sake of who? Do you understand how “much” I care of what you think about this?
The advice I gave was to try daily and the guy that felt his symptoms are not relief to try a bit higher dose. I would give that advice all over again
Yet you are considering lowering your dose.
C’mon man, you are a living contradiction.
It’s not me being paranoid. It’s your word being proven to be worth less than 0.
Sorry but I hate lies and I can’t deal with anyone using them.
About the SHBG, I was trolling you, because you said your pal is fatter than you, hence why his SHBG is lower than yours. You’ve been proven wrong on that one as well.
You oversimplify everything and you don’t have the knowledge to talk about this stuff.
Mate, seriously, let it go. We are both wasting our time.
No, you told me my protocol is harmful and I shouldnt run such high levels of test and e2 which is the same
You are trolling as a default as I see.
Yes, fatter people are often associated with lower SHBG I told you to google studies.
And yes, I consider lowering my dose but I will not do it yet or may not do it at all.
Or maybe this is too complex for you to understand?
Comprehension limits. Once again.
I’m done with you.
I truly hope you will get dialed in on a long term.
You seem having several health issues.