Of course!
Great talk with Dr Brad Garner (yet ANOTHER who treats symptoms, not numbers and does NOT block E2!)
What’s his take on injection frequency and did you cover dhea /preg supplementation on this vid?
He does talk about DHEA and preg in the video (maybe 3/4 of the way through). He will optimize T first, then thryoid, then insulin, etc. DHEA and preg are addressed at the end. He will use these only if the patient feels better with them and not because of lab ranges. He did not discuss frequency in the video but I know he will use whatever frequency the patient does best on.
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Its funny the CDC determines optimal range for T using a statistical sample from the current population. And then saying what inside 3 sigma is normal? What if the population is trending in a direction. Imagine if they did that with blood pressure or BMI. Normal is now 140/90 & 25-30 BMI
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Tell you what: Go to your local Walmart, take a look around, and then tell me if you’d ever want to be doing anything that is based on the ‘optimal range’ for that population.
Those numbers are meaningless to guys who are really trying to optimize their health.
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Here is the video on growth hormone with Joe Jeffery (who also doesn’t control E2!!!)
@dbossa Do you think your SubQ injections has anything to do with why you have to take such a large dose? Have you ever tried IM injections? Sorry for the random question.
Not random at all. I’ve been doing IM injections split into 3 for the last little while just to see what difference it makes. I feel the same. I would need to see if it had any impact on my labs. I think the daily just got me balanced out and, after awhile, I was able to do less frequent injections. The daily saved my ass when I needed it the most.
If ANY of you have watched the videos of a particular doc from the UK, you might find this funny. We wanted to do something to mark our 7000 subscribers on YouTube 
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I did sub-q for a long time and switched to IM. Dosing wise it’s the same. I don’t feel totally different but the minor differences have me personally prefer IM.
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I like IM. Upper thigh, I don’t feel any pain or get any blood. 25g 1". I haven’t tried delt, but I’m sure it’s the same.
Haha, I at least got the reference as soon as I saw the cover picture on the video
Lotta Walmart memes going around
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For what it’s worth, it’s videos like this that I find personally very frustrating. It’s literally titled “TRT Facts - Broscience Dispelled” with supposed experts in the field, yet it perpetuates IMHO one of the worst broscience notions out there in re: to the reference ranges and how they were created. As others have pointed out, that information in this video is 100% factually inaccurate, and actually rather harmful in just how wrong it is.
Understanding the reference ranges, how they were created, and the CDC harmonization efforts and reasoning was literally the first thing I did when I first started learning about TRT. Every half way competent doctor I’ve discussed this topic with has clearly understood this information and was able to very clearly explain it.
So for someone like me who is genuinely trying to learn more it’s confusing/frustrating. Either the 3 folks in the video genuinely don’t know how the ranges were created which speaks volumes in itself… or there are other reasons (likely financial) to perpetuate the notion that the ranges are based off old, sick, unhealthy individuals. I don’t get it.
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If you’d like to remain in the median of a range taken from average people, regardless of age, knock yourself out.
Having optimal levels of hormones is a completely different animal. The ranges themselves could have been created in any way but they are still based on the average of a population. I have no interest in being the average of an average, do you?
I may also add, virtually every single physician I’ve had on the channel has confirmed that the ranges are not quite relevant when optimizing someone. So this is not a matter of my opinion. There have been dozens of people on who have said the same.
I agree completely with those statements. And had the video been factually accurate with similar commentary thrown in that would be beneficially informative.
But it didn’t. In a video claiming to be factual with the goal of dispelling bro-science it quite literally did the exact opposite and perpetuated one of the biggest BS TRT sales pitches out here. Setting the reasoning for that aside…
From a purely factual basis, that information in the video is 100% factually inaccurate and that’s really what matters most.
Can you explain the range from your understanding?
Didnt Dr Gordon explicitly state in your video that he targets the mean of the ref range?
I guess he is coming from this direction