So you’re on 280mg weekly? Where does this get you to, for some it’ll get them to like 2500, that’s not exactly TRT or ‘optimisation’ if FT is like 3x the top of the ref range (so say a FT of 75 or so)… at that point, barring PAIS, you’d be on a permacycle
280 weekly of test enanthate, yes.
I do not know, as I havent yet checked my bloods.
Im not doing it for “TRT” right now, Im doing a mini-cycle cutting, before my real cycle in a couple of months which will consist of … well, lets say, more stuff than that.
For reference, on 20mg prop ED, AKA 140mg EW, my bloods were 26nmol (8-29). With bioavailable testosterone double the upper range.
My shbg is low, ranging from 8 to 15. SHBG pre-trt was 24.
What’s “more than that”… are we talking like 500mg test + an oral (or test primo etc) or full retard like
100mg test
700mg tren
50mg winny
400mg primo
My cycle will consist of
500mg test EW
400mg NPP EW
30mg dbol ED
Is this what you are currently taking that is making you feel good? Or are you taking test ONLY right now?
This is his long term protocol
Lol jk…
He feels good on the 280mg test weekly… given his bloods on 140mg test prop (if it was accurately dosed) he’s probably somewhere around 1400-1600ng/dl
Just know I tried dbol once, it was 20mg daily, I only lasted 2 weeks because I felt SO shitty on the stuff
Alterations in gastrointestinal flora, systematic toxicity induced chronic acid reflux for me… I could’ve dealt with it using otc medication, but I felt that if a drug was inducing chronic acid reflux it was probably my body saying “enough”
Furthermore, on dbol (keep in mind for most it’s entirely the opposite, they feel euphoric with a constant and overt sense of well-being), my libido drooped off, I felt lethargic, was in a bad mood all the time etc
Interestingly I feel good (so far) on nandrolone… many feel sluggish, run down on nandrolone. Neurologically mediated side effects are quite strong with this one… the science behind the neurosteroid activity pertaining to nandrolone varying metabolites is quite fascinating… effects everyone differently but some REALLY can’t handle the drug
If you notice you’re becoming an asshat, stop using it… tis also more dangerous than test net milligram per milligram… even if it weren’t due to the potential for a cascade of downstream reactions within the body that could lead to a lethal outcome from prolonged usage… it’s (probably) generally (slightly) harsher on the lipid profile compared to test alone given it doesn’t aromatise all that much… with 17 beta Esterified AAS, a pretty good indicator of “how badly will this fuck up my lipids” stems from “how much does this aromatise” as estrogen is pivotal regarding lipid metabolism, when androgen concentrations raise independently of estrogen, a pronounced negative impact on the lipid profile tends to be present
No, what I just outlined was my coming cycle for this summer, as a response to unreals question.
Im ONLY taking testosterone now.
280mg a week.
Enanthate.
EOD injections.
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Is this like an experiment, a test in the waters to see how you respond to anabolics?
Note there’s a huge difference between 280mg and 1000mg+ weekly… over 1 gram is getting into seriously heavy territory. If you’re nervous regarding how you respond (I never give drug advice but I feel this would be sensible) you can (don’t prolong the cycle for this though) taper up the dosages of each compound
@equel I’ll ask Eric and get back to you.
@unreal24278 I also tried dbol. Only 20mg a day and after a week I didn’t want to get out of bed. Never again.
I hear if you take 5-10mg daily it gives you’re muscles a constant “full, pumped” look… but honestly it’s quite toxic… it’d be stupid to use just for that alone
I found out (by trying this twice)… that I can go eight days without side effects manifesting… after which it’s just djsiasjfjsjaxjxsnsjdjsjsnssn… first time I stopped after 8 days… second time I toughed out 14… then thought “why the hell am I doing this when I could just bump up my T dose to like 250-300mg, get similar results without feeling like shit, throwing my lipids out of whack etc”
REALLY not worth it… but you can’t deny the strength increase on it is pretty crazy
Can you believe some guys can use 100mg of this stuff per day for like 6-8 weeks at a time without feeling run down!
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@equel here is what Eric said as possible reasons:
Thyroid
Stress
Supplements like preworkouts
Low card diet
Bitchy wife/girlfriend
Excessive biking/cycling
Any of those possibilities? You never did get your thyroid checked out, right?
Respectfully, thats misleading and again literally the definition of bro science. This is NOT the way reference ranges are established. We had this now already several times.
Olympic athletes fall into the T distribution of men used to establish reference ranges. See beliw.
‘The horizontal line is set at 10 nmol/l which is the lower end of the reference range for non-elite men and the level set by the IAAF and IOC when setting up the ‘hyperandrogenism’ rule for female elite athletes [5, 6]. It shows a significant proportion of elite male athletes with a low concentration of testosterone (25.4%) and a smaller but significant proportion of women elite athletes with high values (4.8%).’
Serum testosterone in 445 elite male athletes. The horizontal line is at 10 nmol/l. There were 113 (25.4%) men with a testosterone value less than 10 nmol/l. Below - Serum testosterone in 231 elite female athletes. Horizontal line is at 10 nmol/l. There were 11 of 231 (4.8%) athletes with testosterone level above 10 nmol/l; 3 of 88 swimmers, 2 of 25 rowers and 6 of 48 track and field athletes. Each sport is represented by a numerical code and M = men and W = women: 1-Power Lifting (18 M and 1 W), 2-Basketball (27 M and 14 W), 3-Football (Soccer; 37 M), 4 Swimming (100 M and 91 W), 5-Marathon (1 W), 6-Canoeing (7 M and 1 W), 7-Rowing (36 M and 25 W), 8-Cross Country Skiing (8 m and 9 W), 9-Alpine Skiing (11 M and 12 W), 10-Weight Lifting (10 M and 7 W), 11-Judo (26 M), 12-Bandy (19 M), 13-Ice Hockey (38 M), 14 Handball (23 M and 29 W) and 15-Track and Field (95 M and 49 W)
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Thanks god we do not have walmart here, but walking on the streets, observing how people look, their manners even at the gym…at least half of them look like will benefit from some testosterone
TT and fT levels of over 1000 elite track and field athletes.
Mean TT was 15.6 nmol/l (450 ng/dl), mean freeT was 9.8 ng/dl.
25% of elite athletes had TT levels of less than 360 ng/dl and 25% had higher TT levels than 570 ng/dl.
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Can you explain me something? According to you the higher t ranges in USA 15-20 years ago of 1500ng/dl were because of different measurement method, right?
Can you tell me how to understand which method is used in my lab?
To be fair long distance running/endurance/volume training is known to decrease T substantially, also within that graph, the athletes with TT near 0nmol, I wouldn’t be surprised if they have/had used gear… Sprinters, olympic lifters etc probably have higher levels in general… furthermore, given that quite a large portion of elite (olympic level) athletes use PED’s at one point or another there’s a good chance the data would be skewed negatively, it’s kind of impossible to generalise what the avg T is within a healthy populace, there’s just too many variables that we can’t really account for
To be fair, regardless of method used for measurement, ref ranges still differ dramatically. I’ve been measured with a ref range that was 4-20nmol… some ref ranges state 60ng/dl is normal for a grown man, what’s up here? @johann77
It is wasn’t generally higher. The variability of T measurements and subsequently variability of the reference ranges was much higher before efforts were undertaken for harmonize T measurements.
According to Lazarou and Morgentaler 2006:
‚Of the 25 labs, there were 17 and 13 different sets of reference values for total and free testosterone, respectively. The low reference value for total testosterone ranged from 130 to 450 ng/dL (350% difference), and the upper value ranged from 486 to 1,593 ng/dL (325% difference).‘
The reason for these wide variability was predominantly the use of different T calibrants. While in one lab a ‚true‘ T level of 700 resulted in a reported T level of 1000 in one lab, another lab using a different calibrant reported levels of only 400.
Nowadays most labs use the calibrant developed by the FDAs CDC and that’s why we see (typically) much less variability in ref ranges, ie T values measured in different labs are today much better comparable then 15 years ago. If your lab uses the typical ref ranges of around 250 to 950 than that’s a good indicator that your levels are comparable to most others.
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The lab ranges lf my lab are up to 800, but in nmol/l(28 nmol/l)
Ok now I understand why on some old tests from USA Ive seen ranges up to 1500
The only thing written regarding the testing method in my lab is ECLIA. Bear in mind this is Eastern Europe, post-Soviet space, almost the third world 
I guess its a possibility.
Ive used high and low carb, no difference.
I dont have a girlfriend, I do however have tons of very hot girls I can fuck whenever I want, as I did “pick up” for many years and Im very good at it, im also good looking and muscular.
I dont cycle.
I dont do pre workout, I take some caffine, thats about it.
Im not that stressed really.
Only thing could be thyroid, I havent checked that more than a few years back when doc said it was “fine”, I cannot remember my results, more than TSH being like 1.2 or some shit.