Triumphant Return of Pavlov; Epi/Sdrol Cycle

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11/28/08
Food (thus far)
930am 3/4 lb ham
6 eggs
2 cups oatmeal
1130am Shake (2 scoops whey, 16 oz soy milk, 1 tsp pb, 1 cup oats)
130pm 2 chicken breasts
2 cups beans
1 cup corn
330 super shake (2 scoops whey, 16 oz soy milk, 1 tbsp pb, 2 cups oats)
730 PWO Shake- (same as 1130 shake)
9:30- 1 lb turkey breast.

Workout- Shoulders/Traps
Superset OH Press/Shrugs
135x10/135x15
165x6/185x10
175x5/225x8 (Shoulder got really sore after OH Press)
165x5/245x8
165x6/265x5 (Grip failure at 5)

Superset Neutral grip DBfront raises/upright BB row
30’sx15/115x10
35sx10/115x8 (focused on explosion upwards)
40sx8/125x6
40sx8/135x6
50sx6/145x6

Did some side and rear delt lighter weight isolation exercises
reverse flys
lateral raises
bent elbow lateral raises.

Notes: Felt pretty shitty all day, I think its a combination of the m-drol and me not feeling 100% at all this week. Feel a lot better post workout. I have no idea how much water I’ve drank today but I’ve basically kept a cup full at all times.

The pumps were great, my shoulders are looking really full and I’m seeing some nice striations across my front and side delts. The crazy s-drol strength def hasn’t kicked in yet but it will be intresting to compare my next shoulder/trap exercise to this one. 2 hours post workout and I still have a pretty solid pump.

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Strength gains from superdrol take about a week and a half and hit suddenly

Epistane is similar but takes about a week.

About a week in you should see some very fast strength gains.

Before this point you should see pump and increased endurance, but the strength gains seem to come almost all at once.

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do these “things” make you bigger?

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[quote] Brook wrote:
do these “things” make you bigger?[/quote]

Superdrol ?

Its effects are pretty close to anadrol.

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superdrol is almost as good as drol? do you really stand by that?

I understnad this would be the case in the chemical relations of the drugs… but it is like saying dianabol and equipoise are similar in effect due to the chemical relations.

Or are they ACTUALLY similar?

Brook

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[quote] Brook wrote:
superdrol is almost as good as drol? do you really stand by that?

I understnad this would be the case in the chemical relations of the drugs… but it is like saying dianabol and equipoise are similar in effect due to the chemical relations.

Or are they ACTUALLY similar?

Brook[/quote]

Chemically superdrol is close to both anadrol and masterone.

But in terms of effects, that doesnt necessarily mean anything, as you earlier stated, look at equi versus dbol

The effects of superdrol seem to be a cross between anadrol and masterone in practice.

And dosed properly its strength and results will be similar to other oral steroids.

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Sorry for leaving you guys hanging for a few days… I’ve been looking after my great grandfather who is 100 and dying and that is taking up a lot of my time, but I’m still getting my training and eating in. My diet right now is 2 1000 kcal shakes a day and 6 meals right around 700 kcal. According to the scale I’ve only gained 2 lbs. But I can see more fullness already- This probably relates to the extended pumps.

I still am having some sinus issues, but the lethargy and M-drol related sides have completely subsided. I feel great and am proud to report that libido is def on point right now. (It always goes up right away for me… then levels off in wks 3 and 4).

I might just be imagining it… but I def feel like my nipple is tightening up, although the small lump is still sensitive to the touch. I’ve decided I’m gonna bite the bullet and pick up some letro for PCT so I can fully address this gyno.

Okay so to the workouts…
I took 48 hours off following shoulders/traps as I wanted to be extra cautious about my shoulder inflammation… A serious flare-up would really prevent me from training my chest at the intensity that i want to. I think I might scrap flat bench for DB bench in my workout tomorrow in order to

Yesterday- LEGS
Squats (you’re welcome to laugh at me)
135x15 (warmup)
185x5
205x5
205x5
225x5
225x5

Seated Calf Raises
1 plate neutral x15
1 plate toes inx15
1 plate toes outx15
2 plate neutralx15
2 plate toes inx15
2 plate toes outx15

Standing calf raises
4 plates neturalx15
4 plates toes inx 15
4 plates toes outx15
3x 4 plates+2 25’sx15 ( got tired of typing about the fucking toes)

Leg Press
200x10
290x8
340x8
390x8
390x8

Notes… I really wish I had started training legs when I started training.

Tonight BI/TRI SUPASETS
WEIGHTED NARROW GRIP PULL UP/WEIGHTED DIPS
BWx15/BWx20
45x8/45x8
45x8/45x8
70x2/70x5
45x8/45x8

EZ bar curl/ Standing overhead dumbell tricep ext
85x15/60x15
95x8/80x8
95x8/80x8
115x6 drop to 95x6/95x6
95 to fail (14 reps)/95x6

Hammer strength Preacher Curl/DB Skull crushers
90x10/30sx10
110x8/35sx10
110x8/40sx8
110x6 strip to
90 x 6 strip to
70 x 6 strip to
45x fail (15)/40s x fail (14)

Notes… Bicep fullness is incredible. I didn’t go nearly as hard as I felt I could because I bothered my lower back today helping carry my great grandfather… Nothing serious I just didnt want to chance anything to curl an extra 20-40 lbs. I figure next week is when the strength is gonna shoot up anyways.

I love walking out of the gym feeling like i could walk back in and do the same workout over again.

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I’ll be starting an M-Drol cycle after New Year’s. Have you determined how your gyno started? I guy I lift with at the gym can get AAS, of course I found this out after ordering everything for the M-Drol cycle. Either can cause gyno, right?

Anyway, good luck with your progress, you sound like you’re going the safest route possible with a PH.

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I am assuming my gyno came following an 8 week trenaplex cycle. that “tren” (not to be confused with tren ace) shit is gross.

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[quote]pavlovs vodka wrote:
I am assuming my gyno came following an 8 week trenaplex cycle. that “tren” (not to be confused with tren ace) shit is gross.[/quote]

That tren Prohormone is crap.

I myself am not very familiar with the compound, but I did find this from Big Cat.

prohormone that converts to 9-unsaturated nandrolone’s. 4,9-diene-19-nor steroids are discussed as a group in the two studies I reference often by Ojasoo and Raynaud, and compared against 4-ene-19-nor and 4,9,11-trien-19-nor steroids. By comparison they are almost as potent progestagenically as the trienes, but their androgenic component is actually lower than that of the 4-ene steroids. That makes them, for a dose that yields equal anabolic effect, considerably more progestagenic and supressive. Its mostly crap. If you want I can probably post some RBA data when I get home.

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I’m really worried…

My schedule has been incredibly hectic and this last week its been tough to goto the gym. B/C of that, last night, I decided I was going to do Chest/Back together. My last strength training regimen I did this…

Anyways, like I said earlier, I’ve been helping my great grandfather who is dying. He’s a pretty big guy still- ab 250. Since he’s basically immobile I’ve been responsible for moving him. Moving a 250 lb man is fucking ridiculous… and I think I might have fucked something up.

I was on my 2nd set (after stretching and warm-up) of Incline DB Bench superset with Deadlifts.

On my 3rd rep of 275 on deadlifts I set the weight down and knew something was wrong. I took my belt off and pain shot up the right side of my lumbar vertebrae. The pain was initially pretty debilitating. I felt like I had just finished lifting the heaviest shit in the world. It hurt so bad that I decided to stop… I had to put the dumbells that I was doing Incline with up. And it literally took me a few minutes to carry the dumbells (seperately) the 20 feet from the bench to the rack…

My dad, a sports medicine certified doctor, is out of town, so I have to wait for him to get back to get looked at. Today I went back to the gym and did super lightweight chest hypertrophy just BC I felt like a lazy bum. Got a great pump. I am up to 190… so like 5-6 lbs in 48 hrs.

Basically… I’m really worried. I’m going to continue training (obviously skipping my back day). But I’m probably going to stick to isolation hypertrophy until I get word from my father.

It’s not bothering me much today.

Is it possible I just got a ridiculous lower back pump???

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[quote] Brook wrote:
superdrol is almost as good as drol? do you really stand by that?

I understnad this would be the case in the chemical relations of the drugs… but it is like saying dianabol and equipoise are similar in effect due to the chemical relations.

Or are they ACTUALLY similar?

Brook[/quote]

superdrol is closer to drol than masterone, but they aren’t really that similar in practice.

People see methyl masteron and think its going to act like masteron, and it does share some similar properties.

If you have experience with both drugs it would be most accurate to say its inbetween drol and masteron.

masteron is very nice, but isnt great for mass, drol on the other hand builds mass well.

Superdrol is somewhere in between

Superdrol is decent for mass, but its also pretty dry, and seems to have a nice “conditioning” effect, gives a more quality look.

obviously no one doses superdrol high enough to see drol type gains, and even at equivalent doses, its not the same drug, but I do believe that superdrol is more useful as a mass builder than as a “finishing” or “cutter” as much as I hate to place such stereotypes on types of drugs.

Hence I think its more accurate to compare it to drol.

So define “good”, its decent at both mass and conditioning. But not spectacular at either. This is common in the prohormone game.

They are trying to make a “jack of all trades” compound for less knowledgeable users.

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My lower back was very sensitive to RDL and reverse hypers and just in general all throughout my test e cycle. I finally abandoned those exercised adn used ham-glute raises and leg curls instead. I had less problems with squats. I would lay off the DL and RDL and reverse hypers until you are stable again and substitute with glute ham. Squats should be good.

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I’ve taken havoc which is rpns epistane…I noticed shit from it to be honest.

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You said you were concerned about legal issues. Personally I get empty capsules and put ground dbol powder in it. I used all white caps, and put them in a original glucosamine bottle which came with the same style caps.

When i am at work, i just pull out my glucosamine bottle and take one when i am taking a break, roughly every 3 hours.

NO one have ever questioned my glucosamine usage.

You can put any oral aas in you favourate legal supp bottle.

Just say you got sore joints from all the training, so you are taking glucosamine etc. I think multi-vit sounds better than tren, superdrol, as far as low profile goes.

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Alright. I’ve spoke with my father and he thinks I probably just have some inflammation and or pulled something in the lumbar region. I’ll take a muscular issue over a skeletal issue any day of the week.

His reccomendation was to skip anything which would put pressure on that region for at least 96 hours. I decided I would reorganize my training program accordingly…
Chest
Bi/Tri
Legs
Shoulders/Traps (I did some lightweight shrugs 2 days ago when I wasnt sure how bad it was, and they were killing my lower back)
Back

Basically I’m skipping a week of back and pushing legs and shoulders/traps to later on this week because they indirectly effect my lower back (moreso than the other exercises). I will NOT be doing cheat curls this week either, as this could effect my back.

Anyways, fuck the bs, I just want to lift.

Weighed in at exactly 190 again last night… I find that my weight gain with these compounds is really static. I won’t gain any weight for 48-72 hrs… then 48-72 hrs later I’ll be up 6-8 lbs.

Last night I had a good chest workout, I also did a couple upper back exercises at lighter weights just to get a pump in my lats.

Incline BB
135x10 (warmup)
155x8
175x5
195x5
225x5
225x5

Decline BB
185x5
205x5
225x5
225x5
225x5

Flat Bench
185x5
185x5
205x5
215x5
225x5

My chest is my weak(est) point (besides my legs… but i don’t count them since I havent trained them as long as I’ve trained my upper body). Based on the way I felt post workout/feel today I am really looking forward to hitting chest next week (+17 days) when the strength gains should be peaking. Muscle fullness is great, my ferocious appetite has returned, libido is still up… All systems are go.

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[quote]mephistopheles wrote:
You said you were concerned about legal issues. Personally I get empty capsules and put ground dbol powder in it. I used all white caps, and put them in a original glucosamine bottle which came with the same style caps.

When i am at work, i just pull out my glucosamine bottle and take one when i am taking a break, roughly every 3 hours.

NO one have ever questioned my glucosamine usage.

You can put any oral aas in you favourate legal supp bottle.

Just say you got sore joints from all the training, so you are taking glucosamine etc. I think multi-vit sounds better than tren, superdrol, as far as low profile goes.[/quote]

I did the same putting a few dbol tabs in green tea(EGCG) caps!

Brook