[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
So, was or is it worth it?
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Wait…are you serious? I made a serious thread asking for help…Why do I keep getting people asking these dumb fucking questions?
that VC 16028(a) fine is $796… no wonder your ticket was so high
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
Here my is notice, I did fail to provide proof of insurance at the scene (later found it in my car), however, I did not count that infraction in the total cost as it is correctable.
As you can see, the total bill is significantly more than $712[/quote]
I would go and hope for leniency on the part of the judge.
Good luck to you!
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Right…The question is not whether or not I am going to contest the ticket (I definitely am). The question was, “does anyone have experience with trials by written declaration?”[/quote]
even Snopes.com has info on this.
Give this link a try
and again, the high amount is due to your lack of proof of insurance
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
So, was or is it worth it?
[/quote]
Wait…are you serious? I made a serious thread asking for help…Why do I keep getting people asking these dumb fucking questions?[/quote]
Calm down Francis. It is a valid question.
What is that saying, “play with the bull you may get the horns”
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
Here my is notice, I did fail to provide proof of insurance at the scene (later found it in my car), however, I did not count that infraction in the total cost as it is correctable.
As you can see, the total bill is significantly more than $712[/quote]
I would go and hope for leniency on the part of the judge.
Good luck to you!
[/quote]
Right…The question is not whether or not I am going to contest the ticket (I definitely am). The question was, “does anyone have experience with trials by written declaration?”[/quote]
even Snopes.com has info on this.
Give this link a try
and again, the high amount is due to your lack of proof of insurance
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Right, However, it is correctable. I had recently gotten a ticket for lack of proof of registration. It was also correctable, and after I showed the proofs the charge went to $0.
Are you telling me that only a portion of the insurance violation is correctable?
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
So, was or is it worth it?
[/quote]
Wait…are you serious? I made a serious thread asking for help…Why do I keep getting people asking these dumb fucking questions?[/quote]
Calm down Francis. It is a valid question.
What is that saying, “play with the bull you may get the horns”
[/quote]
You’re right I should have just ignored it.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
Here my is notice, I did fail to provide proof of insurance at the scene (later found it in my car), however, I did not count that infraction in the total cost as it is correctable.
As you can see, the total bill is significantly more than $712[/quote]
I would go and hope for leniency on the part of the judge.
Good luck to you!
[/quote]
Right…The question is not whether or not I am going to contest the ticket (I definitely am). The question was, “does anyone have experience with trials by written declaration?”[/quote]
even Snopes.com has info on this.
Give this link a try
and again, the high amount is due to your lack of proof of insurance
[/quote]
Right, However, it is correctable. I had recently gotten a ticket for lack of proof of registration. It was also correctable, and after I showed the proofs the charge went to $0.
Are you telling me that only a portion of the insurance violation is correctable?[/quote]
I have nooooo idea. The infraction was that you failed to provide proof… and you did, even if you had insurance at the time you “failed to provide proof.”
And you sure don’t have much time to make your decision. Did you realize you had to notify the court of your intention to appear prior to the date?
The only one who can reduce the ticket is the judge at this point I would think. BUT I don’t know for sure.
Did you call the court and ask about reduction of the fine?
And you don’t seem to be handling this ticket the best way. Even kinda lazy. How about you Google and research a bit and make some calls.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Top 10 States Notorious for Writing Tickets:
- Ohio
- Pennsylvania
- New York
- California
- Texas
- Georgia
- Virginia
- North Carolina
- Massachusetts
- Connecticut[/quote]
You’d think there might be some level of surprise, even just the slightest amount of it, but no. I can’t speak for other areas of the state but NE Ohio is basically one giant police trap when it comes to traffic violations.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
Are you telling me that only a portion of the insurance violation is correctable?[/quote]
according to the link that I sent you, failure to provide proof of insurance is a fine in and of itself. Might be able to be reduced but I do not think it goes to $0
Im pretty sure that you can actually have your car impounded for driving without proof of insurance.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]mapwhap wrote:
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Were you clocked by radar, or laser? It should say on the ticket. Please let me know, and we’ll go from there.
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Set it for trial. It won’t go to trial anytime soon, so if you change your mind about going, you can just opt for something else.
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Not all cops get overtime for showing up in court. If court falls on thir day off, then yes. But, most municipalities schedule officers court day for days they are at work, so they don’t have to pay overtime.
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Regardless…which is mor important to you? Getting the fine eliminated / reduced, or worrying whether the cop gets paid for doing his job?[/quote]
I BELIEVE THE TICKET SAYS RADAR, HIS WRITING IS HARDLY READABLE.
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Maybe the ticket actually says 112 and not 712.
Edit: read the rest of the thread. whoops
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
Here my is notice, I did fail to provide proof of insurance at the scene (later found it in my car), however, I did not count that infraction in the total cost as it is correctable.
As you can see, the total bill is significantly more than $712[/quote]
I would go and hope for leniency on the part of the judge.
Good luck to you!
[/quote]
Right…The question is not whether or not I am going to contest the ticket (I definitely am). The question was, “does anyone have experience with trials by written declaration?”[/quote]
There are no trials by written declaration. As your citation indicates, you can admit fault and pay the fine or appear in court to contest it.
[quote]davidcox1 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
Here my is notice, I did fail to provide proof of insurance at the scene (later found it in my car), however, I did not count that infraction in the total cost as it is correctable.
As you can see, the total bill is significantly more than $712[/quote]
I would go and hope for leniency on the part of the judge.
Good luck to you!
[/quote]
Right…The question is not whether or not I am going to contest the ticket (I definitely am). The question was, “does anyone have experience with trials by written declaration?”[/quote]
There are no trials by written declaration. As your citation indicates, you can admit fault and pay the fine or appear in court to contest it.
[/quote]
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/traffic/common.htm#gotocourt
Must I go to court?
If you got a ticket for an infraction (like running a stop sign), you can probably do everything you need to do by mail.
You must go to court for a misdemeanor.
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How do I ask for a trial?
If you think you’re not guilty, ask for a trial.
You can go to the courthouse on the date shown on your ticket and ask for a trial.
For most infractions you can send a letter to your court asking for a court trial or a trial by mail (also called a “trial by written declaration”).[u] You’ll have to pay the bail even if you want to have a trial. Send your letter by certified or registered mail, at least 5 days before the “appearance date” on your ticket.[/u]
If you ask for a trial by mail, the court clerk will give or mail you forms. Use these forms to explain why you want a trial.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
Here my is notice, I did fail to provide proof of insurance at the scene (later found it in my car), however, I did not count that infraction in the total cost as it is correctable.
As you can see, the total bill is significantly more than $712[/quote]
I would go and hope for leniency on the part of the judge.
Good luck to you!
[/quote]
Right…The question is not whether or not I am going to contest the ticket (I definitely am). The question was, “does anyone have experience with trials by written declaration?”[/quote]
even Snopes.com has info on this.
Give this link a try
and again, the high amount is due to your lack of proof of insurance
[/quote]
Right, However, it is correctable. I had recently gotten a ticket for lack of proof of registration. It was also correctable, and after I showed the proofs the charge went to $0.
Are you telling me that only a portion of the insurance violation is correctable?[/quote]
I have nooooo idea. The infraction was that you failed to provide proof… and you did, even if you had insurance at the time you “failed to provide proof.”
And you sure don’t have much time to make your decision. Did you realize you had to notify the court of your intention to appear prior to the date?
The only one who can reduce the ticket is the judge at this point I would think. BUT I don’t know for sure.
Did you call the court and ask about reduction of the fine?
And you don’t seem to be handling this ticket the best way. Even kinda lazy. How about you Google and research a bit and make some calls.
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I have to pay the ticket by the 13th. When I go to room C-10 and pay the bail I request forms for a Trial by written declaration.
If the judge does not dismiss my ticket then I get the option to have my case heard in court.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
A law is not just, just because it’s the law.[/quote]
so having a speed limit is not just?
Having a law that makes selling drugs is not just?[/quote]
todays speed limits are way to slow. they make cars than can go zero to 60 in under 4 seconds and can go 200mph, yet, we have to drive 55 or 65. i think not. [/quote]
so are you arguing for a seperate set of traffic laws for all the tossers who can afford high-performance vehicles so they can drive as fast as they want and think they have the skills and reflexes to react to everyday shit on the highway at 200mph? i dont want to live in your world. go and live on an island so your ‘man-laws’ and your ego can rub coconut oil over each other
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
So, was or is it worth it?
[/quote]
Wait…are you serious? I made a serious thread asking for help…Why do I keep getting people asking these dumb fucking questions?[/quote]
So you are facing upward of $700.00 in fines, and evaluating the risk/reward continuum of your actions is a dumb fucking question?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
My original statement was to point out that in no way were you justifying the punishment based on anything more than an attitude of “those are the rules.”
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I never said “those are the rules” and i never said that I thought $700 for a 13MPH over the limit ticket wasnt high. (I also said I dont believe the OP only had that one violation)
I didn’t say that you directly said ‘those are the rules.’ I made it pretty clear that it was a summary of your argument, your attitude, not a verbatim quote. Now who’s building strawmen? (Your earlier reference to a strawman, by the way, was incorrect. He was using a slippery slope argument, which is perfectly legit, if problematic, as you demonstrated when you took the slippery slope in the opposite direction.)
What did you not understand about my second point? Since you’re coming off as doing things so “by the book” then why is it a problem if the OP does things by the book, ie pleading not guilty and getting his day in court?
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]davidcox1 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
Here my is notice, I did fail to provide proof of insurance at the scene (later found it in my car), however, I did not count that infraction in the total cost as it is correctable.
As you can see, the total bill is significantly more than $712[/quote]
I would go and hope for leniency on the part of the judge.
Good luck to you!
[/quote]
Right…The question is not whether or not I am going to contest the ticket (I definitely am). The question was, “does anyone have experience with trials by written declaration?”[/quote]
There are no trials by written declaration. As your citation indicates, you can admit fault and pay the fine or appear in court to contest it.
[/quote]
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/traffic/common.htm#gotocourt
Must I go to court?
If you got a ticket for an infraction (like running a stop sign), you can probably do everything you need to do by mail.
You must go to court for a misdemeanor.
[ Top of Page ]
How do I ask for a trial?
If you think you’re not guilty, ask for a trial.
You can go to the courthouse on the date shown on your ticket and ask for a trial.
For most infractions you can send a letter to your court asking for a court trial or a trial by mail (also called a “trial by written declaration”).[u] You’ll have to pay the bail even if you want to have a trial. Send your letter by certified or registered mail, at least 5 days before the “appearance date” on your ticket.[/u]
If you ask for a trial by mail, the court clerk will give or mail you forms. Use these forms to explain why you want a trial.[/quote]
To be clear, the trial itself does not occur “by mail”; rather, you are asking “by mail” for a trial. Here’s the paragraph from the link above that makes this most clear:
“If you ask for a trial by mail, the court clerk will give or mail you forms. Use these forms to explain why you want a trial.”
A trial requires certain procedural safeguards that can only be afforded in person. Rarely, courts will allow some participants in a trial to participate by other means (such as telephone, VTC), but there is no such thing as an entire trial proceeding occurring via the US Postal Service.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
Here my is notice, I did fail to provide proof of insurance at the scene (later found it in my car), however, I did not count that infraction in the total cost as it is correctable.
[/quote]
Why is it that these types of threads always seem to have an “oh yeah, there was also this part that I failed to mention” several pages into the thread? How do you fail to mention this part??? Upon further reading of this thread and looking at the links provided, the fine for the speeding is $154 plus court fees. That’s not a terrible fine.
DB
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
So, was or is it worth it?
[/quote]
Wait…are you serious? I made a serious thread asking for help…Why do I keep getting people asking these dumb fucking questions?[/quote]
So you are facing upward of $700.00 in fines, and evaluating the risk/reward continuum of your actions is a dumb fucking question?
[/quote]
Yes it was a dumb fucking question…Was it worth it to go 13 over the speed limit and get a huge fine? What the FUCK do you think I am going to say? The obviousness of the answer is what makes it a dumb fucking question.