[quote]KBCThird wrote:
My original statement was to point out that in no way were you justifying the punishment based on anything more than an attitude of “those are the rules.”
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I never said “those are the rules” and i never said that I thought $700 for a 13MPH over the limit ticket wasnt high. (I also said I dont believe the OP only had that one violation)
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If you want to adhere strictly to the rules, then OP is fully entitled to plead not guilty, as he’s assumed to be innocent until proven guilty, or pleading guilty, in a court of law, not some internet forum.[/quote]
My original statement was to point out that in no way were you justifying the punishment based on anything more than an attitude of “those are the rules.” [/quote]
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
yes, best advice is to get a radar/lazer detector. one of the very best is called “Redline” by Escort. it has one of the longest ranges of any radar detector made. [/quote]
well that may be the best alternative. best advice is dont speed…[/quote]
That’s like asking a guy not to thrust when he’s fuckin’.[/quote]
OP…I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. If the ticket is radar, I can send you a few things to try if you would like to set it for trial. I’m not promising you will win, but you can try.
Keep in mind…even if you lose, you can still ask the judge to consider alternative sentencing, with reduced fines.
If you would just shoot me a PM with any pertinent details, I’ll try to help you out. Seven hundred dollars is ridiculous.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
yes, best advice is to get a radar/lazer detector. one of the very best is called “Redline” by Escort. it has one of the longest ranges of any radar detector made. [/quote]
How does that solve anything if the offense has already been committed? [/quote]
Its for future reference. anyone that goes over the speed limit or drives a fast car should have one.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
A law is not just, just because it’s the law.[/quote]
so having a speed limit is not just?
Having a law that makes selling drugs is not just?[/quote]
todays speed limits are way to slow. they make cars than can go zero to 60 in under 4 seconds and can go 200mph, yet, we have to drive 55 or 65. i think not.
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Obviously no one is arguing against speed limits,
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It seems as though you are… otherwise your point doesnt make sense.
its unjust and out of proportion to the infraction? Who is to decide that, you? What’s a “proportional” fine? $300? What if I think $300 is too high? (see how this can keep going?)
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Why stop at 712 dollars, why not make it 2000 dollars + 12 lashes. That would be ok with you, right? As long as the law was passed and it was all legal like. lol[/quote]
I have always lived by the rule, as long as mans laws don’t step over my laws, then will be fine. the moment mans laws try and supercede over MY laws, then we will have a problem. i live by my own set of rules. honestly, i don’t care what this countries laws are. I am nobodies slave. Im the boss. i do as i please. always will. if one day mans laws come in conflict with my laws, then we are going to have some problems.
[quote]critietaeta wrote:
but arent you guilty?[/quote]
Pleading “Not Guilty” legally just means “Prove It”. It is not a comment on the facts. Even if you were speeding, you have a right to force the State of California to prove that you were and that you were going as fast as they say you were. If they can’t prove it, because the officer doesn’t show up, or for some other reason, then you won’t be fined. That won’t be a sign of your innocence, just a sign of the State’s incapacity.
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Obviously no one is arguing against speed limits,
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It seems as though you are… otherwise your point doesnt make sense.
its unjust and out of proportion to the infraction? Who is to decide that, you? What’s a “proportional” fine? $300? What if I think $300 is too high? (see how this can keep going?)
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Why stop at 712 dollars, why not make it 2000 dollars + 12 lashes. That would be ok with you, right? As long as the law was passed and it was all legal like. lol[/quote]
I have always lived by the rule, as long as mans laws don’t step over my laws, then will be fine. the moment mans laws try and supercede over MY laws, then we will have a problem. i live by my own set of rules. honestly, i don’t care what this countries laws are. I am nobodies slave. Im the boss. i do as i please. always will. if one day mans laws come in conflict with my laws, then we are going to have some problems.[/quote]
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
A law is not just, just because it’s the law.[/quote]
so having a speed limit is not just?
Having a law that makes selling drugs is not just?[/quote]
It is not that having a speed limit is not just, it is what they are charging for a ticket. Everyone, every day, does something illegal. If we all got caught, we would have no money. The tickets (like this one) are not always to “keep things safe” as they would have you believe (not that I agree you should break them). However, the speed limit is suppose to be set by certain standards: Speed limit - Wikipedia and many many times it is not. Does that make a false speed limit a fair one just because the sign is there?
I am with gregron in that it seems highly suspect that he got a ticket for that amount for ONLY speeding. Did the OP maybe not have insurance or no driver’s license? If it was that high I would think that there is a bit more to the story than just speeding.
The speed limit is the speed limit. If you choose to speed just realize you may be pulled over and have to pay a ticket. Your choice. If you get caught you may have to pay so no whining afterwards.
…If you get caught you may have to pay so no whining afterwards.
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To not whine after getting a speeding ticket would be…unAmerican. In fact it would be more wrong not to whine than to speed.[/quote]
Put on a blonde wig and some big fake boobs and you don’t have to worry about speeding tickets. But if I did get one, I probably would, if not whine, certainly curse a blue streak under my breath.
Here my is notice, I did fail to provide proof of insurance at the scene (later found it in my car), however, I did not count that infraction in the total cost as it is correctable.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
Here my is notice, I did fail to provide proof of insurance at the scene (later found it in my car), however, I did not count that infraction in the total cost as it is correctable.
As you can see, the total bill is significantly more than $712[/quote]
I would go and hope for leniency on the part of the judge.
Good luck to you!
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I just Googled those violations and the heft of the ticket is due to the lack of proof or insurance. Did you even try Google?
Here is a link for you.
California Vehicle Code Section 16028(a) and Traffic Ticket Cost, Bail, Court Fines, Penalties and Points
CA Codes
California Vehicle Code
VC Section 16028(a) - Failure to Provide a Peace Officer Evidence of Financial Responsibility
As of March 1, 2011
16028(a). Upon the demand of a peace officer pursuant to subdivision (b) or upon the demand of a peace officer or traffic collision investigator pursuant to subdivision (c), every person who drives a motor vehicle upon a highway shall provide evidence of financial responsibility for the vehicle that is in effect at the time the demand is made. However, a peace officer shall not stop a vehicle for the sole purpose of determining whether the vehicle is being driven in violation of this subdivision.
Court Fine - $800.00
Points - 0
looks like you got off lightly it could have been $800.00!!
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
Here my is notice, I did fail to provide proof of insurance at the scene (later found it in my car), however, I did not count that infraction in the total cost as it is correctable.
As you can see, the total bill is significantly more than $712[/quote]
I would go and hope for leniency on the part of the judge.
Good luck to you!
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Right…The question is not whether or not I am going to contest the ticket (I definitely am). The question was, “does anyone have experience with trials by written declaration?”
