Look at the idiot constantly repeating “We’re not scared, we’re not scared” on the second page. What a joke…If you’re not deathly terrified of your next workout on BFT, there’s a good chance you aren;t training at any level of intensity.
I definitely wouldn;t train that way without assistance.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
BFT is a shit way of training for anyone not on 2 grams of gear per week. Good luck with drop sets and EIGHT forced reps per dropped set. [/quote]
I like his hardcore mentality and enjoy his writings.
However, I am going to take a bold step and assume that the 6-8 weeks of straight training with BFT is applicable for (heavy) gear users who also have above average recovery abilities. That’s what he was doing and he seemed to be talking from his own experience. Just in case somebody needed to hear that.
Too bad he never had the chance to clarify it.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Look at the idiot constantly repeating “We’re not scared, we’re not scared” on the second page. What a joke…If you’re not deathly terrified of your next workout on BFT, there’s a good chance you aren;t training at any level of intensity.
I definitely wouldn;t train that way without assistance.
Bricknyce wrote:
BFT is a shit way of training for anyone not on 2 grams of gear per week. Good luck with drop sets and EIGHT forced reps per dropped set.
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Definitely true. Those Demons that Trevor talks about (especially the final one, the “Demon of Continue”) will absolutely be tormenting you during this program. Hell, I really have to psych myself up on heavy sets while doing DC, but BFT was probably the only training program I ever did which nearly rivaled what I had to go through in MA.
I also again completely agree with the assisted (or volume freak like Bauer) comment. I cculd push myself hard enough to give BFT justice, but I simply couldn’t recover and continue to progress training like that being a natural.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
Look at the idiot constantly repeating “We’re not scared, we’re not scared” on the second page. What a joke…If you’re not deathly terrified of your next workout on BFT, there’s a good chance you aren;t training at any level of intensity.
I definitely wouldn;t train that way without assistance.
Bricknyce wrote:
BFT is a shit way of training for anyone not on 2 grams of gear per week. Good luck with drop sets and EIGHT forced reps per dropped set.
Definitely true. Those Demons that Trevor talks about (especially the final one, the “Demon of Continue”) will absolutely be tormenting you during this program. Hell, I really have to psych myself up on heavy sets while doing DC, but BFT was probably the only training program I ever did which nearly rivaled what I had to go through in MA.
I also again completely agree with the assisted (or volume freak like Bauer) comment. I cculd push myself hard enough to give BFT justice, but I simply couldn’t recover and continue to progress training like that being a natural. [/quote]
I doubt that gear is going to make that much of a difference in our case if we were to follow BFT… You probably either have the genetics for it or you don’t.
Maybe some high test-dose would allow for some actual progress during the first few weeks, but seriously…
I’m all the more interested in whether Bauer and co would do well on Trevor’s program.
One thing: While I don’t get anything out of the drop set and forced-rep marathon, I kind of like some of his split ideas.
Doing chest the one day and delts+tris within 24 hours after that actually works well for me (with a fairly low amount of volume, that is, maybe high-volume guys would run into energy trouble?).
He sounded like a clever guy…
Nutrition Made Simple
By Trevor L. Smith
Pizza, chocolate, cheeseburgers, french-fries, kentucky fried chicken, chinese food, ice-cream and soda. No, no, this is not the food list for my next holiday party. This is, in fact, what I have come to learn is the mainstay of most succesful and huge pro s diets in the off-season.
Clenbuterol, lasix, cytomel, E.C.A., DNP. These are,in fact, the tools a lot of Pro s use to insure that what they eat in the off-season doesn t result in spare tires, tits and a gut.
I apologize if I shattered anyone s misconception about what the Pro s eat. The fact is, the metabolism of the average high level amateur or pro is kicking at a higher level than your average Ed. Because of this, they can get away with eating whatever the **** they want pretty much all year long with the exception being contest prep time.
Personally I feel that, unless you are holding quite a bit of bodyfat, it is fool hardy to eat clean all the time. You need look no further than all the big-boys in the sport to find out if this theory holds any water (and fat too!)
You look at someone like Shawn Ray. Great bodybuilder no doubt, but great for circa 1987 where his physique seems to have been stuck in the past 12 years. “Eating Clean” has resulted in a number of pro s who s physiques have remained stagnent and unchanged.
I remember a conversation I had with Ian about the difference between the non-american bodybuilders and their american counterparts. He said the one thing he could never understand about the american bodybuilders was their delusion that they had to eat chicken breasts and baked potatoes 24/7 365 days a year. Aside from making dieting even harder than it already is come contest time, it tends to keep the metabolism stuck in neutral. Shocking the system every now and again always keeps the metabolic rate high and in doing this allows more muscle mass to be built, which the last time I checked was the reason bodybuilding became a sport in the first place!
How many pro s started their careers eating chicken breasts broccoli and potatos, only to make zero progress until they started eating everything and anything in site! You don t pack on size eating like a gymnast.
I feel that the smart move to make for an off-season bodybuilder looking to acquire new size is to make sure they get in 450-500 grams of protein per day and then eat whatever the hell they want within reason. I m not suggesting a diet of twinkies and ice cream, but if you desire a little snack after you get in all your nutritional needs go for it. If controlling fat is a concern, you can always cut back on the carbs.
Following this rule has resulted in more freaks than you can imagine. Why is it that someone like Lee Priest carries 20lbs more tissue than Shawn Ray and is a good 2 inches shorter? It s in the eating I guarantee it! Both use steroids, and in fact, Shawn has used them for a longer time period as he is both older and has been around longer. For those who think that the difference lies in the amounts I say simply that you would be surprised how far some pro s get on training and eating like a ****ing animal. People like to chalk steroids and gear use up as the deciding factor on why they don t look like the Pro s when the reality of the situation is that there are multiple factors at play. But it s always easier to point the finger and say “he s a total juice monster and uses a gram of test every day that s why he s a pro and I m only 215lbs” “I m not willing to do that to my body!” Yet these same people take offense when they hear the whispers and assinine comments from the general public who think “I could look like that guy, all I have to do is gobble up lots of steroids everyday”.
In conclusion, I would suggest and offseason program that relies heavily on protein (450-500 grams a day) and then eat basic, high calorie foods. Things such as milk, whole eggs, steaks and pasta have resulted in more mass then broiled chicken and broccoli every have. Remember, fat can always be stripped off, muscle is a little harder to put on. Pack on the muscle and let the fat come along for the ride then give yourself time to tighten things up and burn off the fat. Concerning yourself with appearance all year long is a sure fire way to keep your physique from causing heads to turn. There is a time and a place for everything and as the Zen monks say “You cannot serve two masters at once.”
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
Look at the idiot constantly repeating “We’re not scared, we’re not scared” on the second page. What a joke…If you’re not deathly terrified of your next workout on BFT, there’s a good chance you aren;t training at any level of intensity.
I definitely wouldn;t train that way without assistance.
Bricknyce wrote:
BFT is a shit way of training for anyone not on 2 grams of gear per week. Good luck with drop sets and EIGHT forced reps per dropped set.
Definitely true. Those Demons that Trevor talks about (especially the final one, the “Demon of Continue”) will absolutely be tormenting you during this program. Hell, I really have to psych myself up on heavy sets while doing DC, but BFT was probably the only training program I ever did which nearly rivaled what I had to go through in MA.
I also again completely agree with the assisted (or volume freak like Bauer) comment. I cculd push myself hard enough to give BFT justice, but I simply couldn’t recover and continue to progress training like that being a natural.
I doubt that gear is going to make that much of a difference in our case if we were to follow BFT… You probably either have the genetics for it or you don’t.
Maybe some high test-dose would allow for some actual progress during the first few weeks, but seriously…
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Yeah, you’re probably right. I’ve never tried though, so who knows.
I don’t see why he couldn’t. It’s not like it’s any more volume that he’s used to. Maybe he’d run into trouble with all the forced drop sets. But I’d bet he’d do a lot better on it than I did. 
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Hmm. Ho are you going to do the forced reps without a spotter? Those are a major part of the program…
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In one of his writings he says to use rest-pause in place of the forced reps if you dont have a spotter.
I tryed the program with those rest pauses, i would rest pause until i got all eight additional reps.
I gained a great deal of strength for a month… then i burned out.
I was hungry all the time, but i recon that i burned because of lack of protein and overall calories.
3500 kcals and 1g/lb of protein ,wont cut it in this method.
[quote]irongutted wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Hmm. Ho are you going to do the forced reps without a spotter? Those are a major part of the program…
In one of his writings he says to use rest-pause in place of the forced reps if you dont have a spotter.
I tryed the program with those rest pauses, i would rest pause until i got all eight additional reps.
I gained a great deal of strength for a month… then i burned out.
[/quote] Mind elaborating on how much strength you gained? Did you manage to “keep” it or did you regress afterwards?
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I was hungry all the time, but i recon that i burned because of lack of protein and overall calories. [/quote] Oh well, learned your lesson.
How’d your joints etc feel? [quote]
3500 kcals and 1g/lb of protein ,wont cut it in this method.[/quote]
I don’t think that little protein will cut it for any decent method, to be honest And the cals, well, dunno how large you were at that time.
Not for nothin, but
Trevor is dead, good chance he died because he trained like this all the time and ate and used drugs to maintain this type of training.
He was 33.
I’m 34 and the risks don’t outweigh the benefits.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Not for nothin, but
Trevor is dead, good chance he died because he trained like this all the time and ate and used drugs to maintain this type of training.
He was 33.
I’m 34 and the risks don’t outweigh the benefits.
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That’s some shady logic you’ve got there.
You know nothing of his family history, any pre-existing health conditions that he may have had, or really information that would give you enough evidence to say that its a “good chance he died because he trained like this”.
You are making a huge assumption, not really based on any kinds of facts whatsoever.
I had a teacher in High School who was also the coach of the cross country team. The guy was in fantastic shape, healthy as a horse (especially his heart). One day he was out for a run (nothing noteably different about this day), when he suddenly dropped dead of a heart attack. By your logic running cross country for all those years must have killed him.
Does that make any sense? Nope.
Trevor was also a huge man. Huge people usually don’t live to a ripe old age anyhow. When you throw in the drug use it probably doesn’t help matters at all, but I highly doubt that it was his weight training that lead to his untimely death.
I could have worded that better.
I think the lifestyle he lead in order to train the way he did was a contributing factor to his early death.
I wasn’t implying that the training killed him.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
I could have worded that better.
I think the lifestyle he lead in order to train the way he did was a contributing factor to his early death.
I wasn’t implying that the training killed him.
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Ok, won’t argue with that.
This reminds me of the cybergenics workout i did when i was like 16 that blew out both my rotator cuffs! woo hoo! sign me up!
Tried the back/biceps part of this tonight. After reading this thread at work today I was so pumped I nearly started repping the desk. Anyway I attacked the sesssion in an intense a manner as I could and jesus christ it anihilates you (as it’s supposed to). I could barely get my jacket on leaving the gym and my arms felt like they were going to burst.
I haven’t felt this tired after a session since I trained legs with a guy who was twice my size. I really enjoyed it but dunno if I’ll be able to keep it up for more than a few weeks.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Not for nothin, but
Trevor is dead, good chance he died because he trained like this all the time and ate and used drugs to maintain this type of training.
He was 33.
I’m 34 and the risks don’t outweigh the benefits.
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But he died really big!! He probably impressed the team of stretcher bearers.