yeah he is partially right , but why not use both? im doing all this so i can pay my debts and see my daughter, i do have a goal i just need to work extra hard for it.
I donāt make excuses, so to answer you, I donāt have one.
Lets just be honest. The guy doesnt want advice.
Real advice is - learn to eat, learn to train, take steroids after 2-3 years. The fact that you needed so much steroids to look like this is a waste. You could be bigger than now if u would learn about basics with same enthusiasm you want to take drugs.
You donāt want this. You dont care about size and strength because if thats the goal you dont need any drug at this point.
You only care to pin needles just for the sake of pinning needles and no matter what people say will not change it.
So if the goal is to take drugs why not just do it?
I already spent hours explaining how a strength plan and a max of 500mgs of test would be way more than needed, just to see after a few weeks the dude is interested in tren.
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i hate needles what do you mean ?
i also did drop the dode my first weeks were at 800mg, its literally at 500 (i said ~6 because the new bottle i got is a wrird dosage of 350mg per 1ml so its hard to guage)
its literally been 5 months i went from bony to actually having some muscle to give myself shape , i was 165 around xmas you honrstly think id be at 200 today natty? fuckin doubt it that means id be 250 by next summer at this rate
You shouldnt be 250 at any rate. It takes like 10 years, dude.
You got some free gains at first, but since you didnt earn it, you will lack the knowledge to make any gains on no matter what drugs.
You needed steroids for gains people earn in 1-2 years naturally. Youll need 3 times the steroids now to get what a natty gets when he does 500mgs after he is already in your best shape drug free.
You dont understand how this works at all. Very soon you will need grams and grams to make gains that are barely above natural because you already blew your noobie gains. The sooner and the more you take the more youll need going on. I am willing to bet that one gram of test and tren will gain you max 10-15lbs that will drop in half when you come off. And there is not much where to go from that. Youll probably will never maintain more than 225 because you blew what is the MOST gains on what had to be there naturally.
You just dont wanna work at all. You think you will hack the system and be big in one year while everyone else is so stupid they spend 10 years on that? There is a reason. You either progress 10 years to 250-300 or you do what you did, and be forever stuck at needing grams of steroids to look natural. Its not that you are the first one who wanted 10 years of gains in a year.
You donāt wanna spend 10 years, you wont grow much past this. Itās just how it is. Lazy fast gains only go this far.
Want advice? Learn to eat and train. Gain up to 190lbs natural in next 2-3 years. Then come back. Otherwise youll make topics like this for the rest of your life going 1 step forward and 1 step back. If you are not ready to put in years of work, this thing is not for you.
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this is not what you told me. you literally told me to cycle 500test, 500deca, 30dbol , and if i stalled 3months in to drop the dbol, up the test and deca to a gram while giving me āpersonal advice through dmsā were you purposely saying this shit so i fuck my body up?
explain to me how im ālazy and dont want to work at allā im used to 84 hour weeks of work , im used to 2 jobs, im used to the struggle , where the fuck are you pulling this from?
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I literally said u need to learn. I fed you the drug stack BS because you dont seem to listen to nothing else. But at least 3 times i said its a waste. You just dont see absolutely nothing besides drug stacks.
Anyways, im out. This is just as a lost cause as the other topic with a fat guy taking grams and saying he sees abs even tho his stomach hangs over his pants.
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im slowly dropping my dosage to that and eventually off - im expecting loss of mass and added fat but im getting some hcg to counter that, the acne is a bit too much for me
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sorry what does ibm and bw stand for i can only find inclusion body myositis and body weight for those accronyms
i found a private clinic that might let me get blood work (its hard to get jr done here if its not demanded by a family doctor which i dont have)
will i have to change my diet back to a stricter leaner version? im still eating like on a bulk (big tuna mayo sandwiches throughout the day, 15 chicken fingers with burgers , mass gainer shakes, etc to gain weight) i was bone skinny my only goal was to get out of that hole, now i am so i wanna keep it steady-ish
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testosterone is a beautiful thing isnt it, i love the progress especially for the age 
does 160mg actually do anything , is it just a slight added edge ?
i respect the āsafeā approach but does it actually yield results?
my friends been on test 3 years and went from pic 1 to pic 2
he says nothing happened until he hit the 500mg dose, are some people just built different?
what does your training look like btw? and id rather have that ronaldo buold with maybe slightly more muscle than the other dude any dayyy youre right
This guy isnāt hauling 250lb propane tanks for hours on end, every day.
This guy just might pull it off.
theres only 3-5 tanks to haul up but usually people need to rent a mobile crane to do it cuz they physically cant which takes 35% of profits, its the material like bundles of shingles/rolls of cap that are numerous , they weigh 85-105lbs depending on brand and type and theres usually 100-200 of em to climb up a ladder i promise you big boi will have a stroke doing that in 40Ā° weather
yall know fuckall about roofing
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This begs the question of why not buy a mobile crane or similar? I am sure you have lots of other equipment you use, large trucks, trailers, etcā¦ I am guessing the cost is a lot for one, but perhaps something else could accomplish the same thing (snorkel lift maybe). 35% of the profits is a lot. Maybe ROI on owning another piece of equipment is pretty good?
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Instead of fucking around on roofs, why donāt you buy a couple of cranes and rent them out to other roofing companies and take 35% of their profits? How much does said crane cost?
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Might not even be a sudden injury. Over use injuries are pretty common. You donāt see very many old workers in careers that require lots of heavy lifting.
Iād even think hiring someone to design and build a mobile pulley system would have a huge ROI. Maybe something like this:
Maybe add a motor and a way to securely attach it to a slanted roof.
Just seems to me that the description of OPs work conditions are inefficient. Carrying heavy items up a ladder is fine for a few projects here and there, not as something that occurs multiple times every day.
We have large chemical mixing vats. The raw chemical ingredients come in large packaging. We donāt ever lift those things by hand. We have stuff designed to make it safe and efficient.
This applies to all of us here. The best thing to be in a capitalistic society is the one who has the capital.
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i fucking love all this 
this pulley system might actually be ideal for the flatroofs, the equipter trailer you showed is alright but only reaches so high so better suited for shingling but the mobile cranes depending on the licence to rent sidewalks, the licence for the type of commercial building,time used and size of crane can range from 5 to 15k , im saying 35% sa a rough estimate because im not reroofing walmart sized buildings usually like 4 story duplexes or auto shops which pay out about 25-35k before material and hands
ill actuallt be looking into this pulley system
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