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so you think this is ok for 2 weeks but when someone talks about running 500 mg test and 150 mg tren a a week you go on a 5 page rant about how bad tren is for ppl and will take 20 years off your life.
I donāt think itās okay for two weeks
What the fuck are you talking aboutā¦ I LITERALLY posted SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE, and STUDIES that PROVE itās a documented side effectā¦ you just state āwrongā. Itās like me stating āyou can contract aids if you have unprotected sex with someone who is HIV+ā and you respond āwrongā
Give me some evidence to prove itās wrongā¦ otherwise leave me alone
It wonāt take 20 years off (well it mightā¦ use that again and again for the next 50 years and it almost certainly will)ā¦ but people underestimate the risks involved with the usage of this stuffā¦ particularly tren
AAS arenāt created equal, just like drugsā¦ Primo is VERY different to Tren just as marijuana isnāt heroin.
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So if you do get ED of nandraloneā¦ are you just fucked. How can you fix/prevent that. Iāve always wanted to try NPP but value my dick too much
all fake scientific literature not from an accredited source
did you not see the 1050Mg of tren A he was using weekly in that on top of 100 MG winstrol a day as well as 300 mg andadrol a day
Whatā¦ youāre trolling me nowā¦ why? Documented profiles of medications, clinical data uploaded (the dbol one being from clinical science, a decently respected peer reviewed medical journal published in print monthly) are certainly reliableā¦ thats like me saying āwell serotonin syndrome canāt happen from SSRI usage, itās listed and documented as a possible, albeit rare side effectā¦ but the case reports, studies and documentation arenāt reliable despite being documented within trials and/or put up within peer reviewed journals so it isnāt true.ā
Hand me a decent argumentā¦ MIMs (depending on which AAS, but all of them do), Merck Manual etc also lists fluid and electrolyte retention/imbalance as a noted side effect pertaining to the initiation of androgen therapy
Calcium, potassium, sodium retention/abnormalities within are side effects. ITāS VERY well known even amongst gym rats that AAS induce sodium retentionā¦ Methyltren being so strong may cause severe electrolyte imbalance, hypoglycaemia etc.
Iām not arguing any further unless you can prove to me why Iām wrong (that AAS canāt cause electrolyte retentionā¦ which you canāt, its well known to be a potential side effect).
Not referring to his cycle, Iām stating in general
This guy is a moron, no way around that. Someone stated āIām surprised he isnāt dead from thisāā¦ I think he will die young, but I was stating he wasnāt running that year roundā¦ If I recall he does use exorbitant dosages year round (nothing like thatā¦ but still incredibly stupid)
hahhahahahaha this is true
i believe he actually quit bodybuilding he runs a āprank channelā on youtube now.
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uuggghhh, not those prank channelsā¦ theyāre the worst, and oftentimes clearly stagedā¦
The worst ones are the ākissingā pranksā¦ almost all are staged, but there was one that wasnātā¦ the women were clearly uncomfortable with the guys passively aggressive advancesā¦ since when is straight up sexual harassment/assault a prank?
So heās not a bodybuilder anymore? Has he shrunk down?
ya hes not very good at it his whole thing is being like a big buff guy cutting in line or punking pplt o get a reaction or pretending to be a russian gangster
he still has his size but hes def put on some fat looks more like a power lifter than a bodybuilder
pretty much all pros do that. Heās not wrong. Those are doses Iād expect to see for pro bodybuilders. Iād also expect to see MUCH higher for many bodybuilders as well.
And this doesnāt even mention insulin use.
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Youāre wrong. Youāre delusional if you think most pros do 500mg/day of orals and over a gram of Tren to prep for a show. Most pros realize they donāt need those doses to get the results they need, and care about living past the age of 40.
And growth hormone, stimulants, sleeping pillsā¦ Though I think the orals are a bit extremeā¦ 300mg drol + 100mg winny is quite a lot. If I recall correctly youāve taken 1-200mg orals daily coming up to a compā¦ This guy is running more than double thatā¦ and youāre a professional, competitive athlete. His plan does use GH and ephedrine though.
Granted there is a difference (weight classes, goals etc)ā¦ I donāt think all guys are running quite as much as he is. Then again I wouldnāt know.
If I recall correctly youāve (briefly) run like 2-3 grams weeklyā¦ This guy is doing like 8 grams weekly (and 1000mg tren is justā¦ wow)
The younger guys donātā¦ youād be astounded regarding the attitudes harboured by some teenagers, young adults and even adults.
Younger guys who are new to the sport and donāt know what theyāre doing, yes. This guy was talking about most pro bodybuilders. Pros realize itās marathon not a sprint. Only an idiot wants to end up like Dallas McCarver. Thatās why many pros were shocked at what he was taking, and a couple did videos on how retarded Eric Kanevskys cycle was.
hell ya Trenny four seven! Three sixty tren
are you serious? we are talking pros as in IFBB bodybuilders, right? Dude get the fuck out of here with that nonsense. What, exactly, is your experience with pro bodybuilders? Iām asking because youāre new on this board and I donāt know anything about you. If you have special insight that you think goes beyond mine in terms of drugs taken by strength athletes, Iād love to hear it. I think there are a FEW IFBB pro bodybuilders out there who would consider a gram of tren to be a competitive dose, but those people are few and far between.
I can also tell you that pro strongmen are taking doses well above what youāre talking about as well, and I know this as an absolute fact. Even middleweight pro strongmen.
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As a lightweight though. As you move up weight classes, and levels of strength, the drug use increases tremendously. You can still find natural competitors (although rarely) at a high level in the lightweight classes. Once you get to middleweight and heavyweight, that really goes out the window.
I can tell you that if I ever decided to jump from being competitive on a world stage at 181 to competing at the same level as a 230 competitor, I would be taking MUCH more than I do now.
As far as orals go, 2 weeks out you can expect bodybuilders to be taking orals in those quantities. Thatās not crazy. Itās a short period of time. Orals can definitely be ramped up for the last week or 2 effectively. Again, Iāve seen more.
I donāt remember what I ran at my highest, but I believe my orals were at a similar level. I canāt remember how much halo I was using, but it was probably 20-30/day, along with like 200 dbol, 100-200 anadrol. Something along those lines. That was 2018, Iād have to look back at my notes to say specifically.
I still strongly believe that it also has to do with the way bodybuilding has changed.
Nowadays some random dude wants to turn pro in 2 years and abuses the fk out of gear to jack up as fast and big as possible or to get ready for a show.
While back in the old days, look at the 80s 90s, they used to train for YEARS consistently to build up their physique with much lower dosages.
Now its who can use the most amount of gear without killing themselves and inject the most gh and insulin, plus diuretics to look as freaky as possible on stage in a short time.
Iām surprised that guys are really using close to 8-10 total grams of gear week. Kanevskyās cycle honestly seemed like a joke. Forget side-effects, where is the piont where there is risk of overdose just from the sheer amount of drug?
I meanā¦ where I live this would close one around 400$ weekly (JUST the orals)
Iād assume this is one of those things wherein itās more expensive in Aus vs everywhere else
Yes, Iām talking about IFBB pro bodybuilders. Iām not a pro, but know one personally and he and his friends never did anything close to the cycle Eric did.
Hereās one example of an IFBB pro who did a youtube video talking about how absurd Eric Kanevskyās cycle is. He has competed for over a decade and coached thousands, many competitors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH1_uUrd7Dk
Seth Feroce (IFBB pro) also talked about how absurd those doses were on his podcast. I stand by my comment that most pros arenāt doing doses that crazy. Only idiots who are trying to turn pro in 2 years and donāt care if they end up dead.
I have no experience with the strongmen world so canāt comment here. If youāre trying to set world records at any cost, I guess crazy cycles make sense.