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IFBB PRO/NPC JUDGE/Administrator Join Date: Jun 2002
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So sick of this - HERE’S THE TRUTH!


This site was always set up as an advanced site, where you can find TRUTHFUL information about bodybuilding, not bulshit and ideology promoted by people who generally have agendas.

This is the truth:

If your diet, training, health and rest are completely up to scratch, the more steroids you take, the bigger you will get. It’s as simple as that.

Pros have got their diet, training (health for the most part) and rest up to a standard that works for them perfectly, but they are only the size they are due to the drugs they take. Don’t beleive the crap from anyone, that they are not, even from the ‘in the know’ people that are on this board. Those very same people for the most part have used/use extremely higher dosages than what they preach. Why do they preach the low dosages? - various personal agendas.

Reality is that as a rule, 1g per week of test non stop year round is the ‘off’ time for the pros. Gear is added as it’s obtained - no real detailed cycles as such. As long as they take the high dosages of gear, they’ll grow (as long as the diet, training, health and sleep is up to scratch as mentioned previously).

Several grams of test per week, several grams of anabolics per week, up to 2g/week of tren, a shit load of orals, insulin several times a day year round, GH as much as can be afforded - 15 to 30IU/day, etc.

BUT, pros have the genetics to have their bodies accept the gear, and generally not get sick on it.

And ancilliary use is huge - liver aids to the max, anti-e’s, dht blockers, cardio supps, cholesterol supps, etc.

Still, most of them are complete wrecks. They can’t control bodily functions,
they pass out from walking a flight of stairs, they get drenched in sweat from tying their shoelaces. Gyno, baldness, dry skin, gout, excess bodily hair, acne, etc are ALL existant in virtually all of them.

It is not a healthy sport, drug use is ENORMOUS, but to ignore it and to preach otherwise is pathetic and not what this site is about.

BTW, Synthetek’s books have on them who’s who of current pros ordering Syntherol constantly. They ALL use it extensively. It is pathetic though, when one orders a bottle and their credit card gets declined due to not enough funds. You think a 30+ yo would have his life in order more than that.

Anyway, I’m sick of seeing the bullshit that has been promoted on this site the last few years. This site was originally set up as an uncensored place where you can find the truth about advanced performance enhancing, regardless of consequences. It’s getting back to that.

I am going to go ahead and post this one too. Any thoughts on this from someone with a medical education?

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/healthday/2009/10/29/kidney-damage-another-consequence-of-anabolic.html

I believe most of this.

anyone who’s been around enough knows this. maybe not the details, as BB may, but it is not news.

the funny thing is is everywhere … including here when someone brings it up guys come out of the woodwork screaming about how it is 90% training and diet and maybe 10% drugs…bullshit…having known several of these guys in the past most eat like shit, don’t spend a penny on supplements, many have other drug addictions, and certainly don’t utlilize the latest greatest cycling proptocols…they take as much shit as they can get their hands on…period. Bodybuilding at the professional level is a very sad thing.

and its not just the ridiculous quantity of roids. In this day and age, they be juiced up with all sorts of shit that you’d be like “wtf?” SSRI’s, SNRIs, DRIs, whole list of anti-depressants, nootropics, dopamine antagonists, amphetamines, analeptics, MAO-inhibitors and god know how many others i can’t even think of right now.

Pretty crazy.

[quote]morepain wrote:
the funny thing is is everywhere … including here when someone brings it up guys come out of the woodwork screaming about how it is 90% training and diet and maybe 10% drugs…bullshit…having known several of these guys in the past most eat like shit, don’t spend a penny on supplements, many have other drug addictions, and certainly don’t utlilize the latest greatest cycling proptocols…they take as much shit as they can get their hands on…period. Bodybuilding at the professional level is a very sad thing. [/quote]

god, Cortes and Brook had a right mare at some d00d who articulated this a couple of months ago.

yes it happens…we all like to think we have the secret…well the secret is as it has always been…huge amounts of drugs. Now having said that…if you take said drug abusers and they follow well laid out plans by a nutritionist or prep guy…their results would be even better, but make no mistake drugs are and will always be THE mahor factor in pro BB.

heres another little tidbit that annoys me. You get a guy that puts together some articles or whatever, along with this they post a bunch of pictures of them when they were competing be it powerlifting, BB, or whatever. Generally there is a huge discrepancy in appearance. this is often explained as…well i decided to lean out some and eat cleaner…LET ME TRANSLATE… well i was using 3-5 grams of test per week now i maintain on 500mg per week. this is reality…i don’t care how many people say i am a jackass/retarded/whatever…it happens all the time, the lucky ones make the change before they have any serious helath issues

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Detroitlionsbaby wrote:
I am going to go ahead and post this one too. Any thoughts on this from someone with a medical education?

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/healthday/2009/10/29/kidney-damage-another-consequence-of-anabolic.html

Well that article was another example of ‘muddy thinking’ around steroids, coupled with poor writing.

I mean they say ‘steroids can cause kidney scarring’, then they go on to say ‘suspect that the rapid increase in weight over-works the kidneys, causing scarring’. Then they say 'steroids MAY be toxic to the kidneys themselves.

So which is it? The steroids or the weight gain?

BBB[/quote]

Ya I thought that was funny. I couldn’t find the actual abstract itself, so I am assuming that is what the researchers actually concluded. I was a little surprised that 9/10 developed kidney issues though?

About the other post, great information. I will be honest I didnt know that drugs were that important. I was always in the genetics being the most important factor, followed by hard work and “dialing in”. Interesting…

[quote]Detroitlionsbaby wrote:
About the other post, great information. I will be honest I didnt know that drugs were that important. I was always in the genetics being the most important factor, followed by hard work and “dialing in”. Interesting…[/quote]

genetics are still important…when iwas 300 lbs i still was not “shaped” right, i was enormous, but could not have been succesful in competition. Also genetics come into play in just being able to process these amounts of drugs without getting sick. As BBB eluded to alot will start to get ill at doses much less than this. For me about 2grams per week of test and 1 gram of deca along with GH was my ticket to 300lbs. I also cycled orals in and out in 4 week patterns. Pretty mild and safe by pro standards, but still reckless and stupid in reality.

All this makes my 500mg a week of test ok.WHat im doing aint shit but it still produces results.

I wish I could afford you, BBB.

[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
morepain wrote:
the funny thing is is everywhere … including here when someone brings it up guys come out of the woodwork screaming about how it is 90% training and diet and maybe 10% drugs…bullshit…having known several of these guys in the past most eat like shit, don’t spend a penny on supplements, many have other drug addictions, and certainly don’t utlilize the latest greatest cycling proptocols…they take as much shit as they can get their hands on…period. Bodybuilding at the professional level is a very sad thing.

god, Cortes and Brook had a right mare at some d00d who articulated this a couple of months ago.[/quote]

Show me the quote, please, or shut the fuck up.

Why would I contradict myself in this very thread, if that were the case?

I have repeatedly stated on this site that the biggest of the biggest guys I have personally known have all had one factor in common: use of massive, well over-the-top, usually beyond belief amounts of PEDS. One of my best friends in real life is one of these people.

If I suggested something in the way of advice to someone else, well, you certainly would not expect me to offer the above as any sort of way to live, would you?

Careful in your assertions, man.

sorry d00d, i must have misunderstood wot you said.

its all love

x

[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
sorry d00d, i must have misunderstood wot you said.

its all love

x[/quote]

I can see why Brook put you on his ignore list.

? i just apologised.

sigh… so misunderstood…