[quote]CytoMelvin wrote:
not to disrespect, but i’ve said it twice now. i was thinking of adding test to COUNTERACT the mood effects of tren.
cardio and diet are on the list of 3. tren will help. it works the same on fat guys as it does on anyone else.[/quote]
Tren does NOT help cardio at all actually, it inhibits it to a certain extent. Causing bronchiole constriction and it also seems to raise blood pressure. My point was that while it works the same, it is not NEEDED on fat guys. If you are truly worried about losing muscle a simple 3-400mg/week of test will work for those who are very overweight.
The main thing or perhaps only thing that really has changed about steroid use in relatively recent use is the status of testosterone vs the synthetics.
Testosterone, at natural levels without any drugs counteracting aromatization or reduction, gives usually-good or at least usually reasonable ratios of estrogen and DHT to testosterone.
However at supraphysiological dosages unintended increased aromatization and reduction occur.
The synthetics were designed largely to avoid these problems, though some don’t avoid both.
So that was a good thing and was a very major advantage of the synthetics in the past.
However now with at least one highly satisfactory AI and for many, two good choices, and when desired a better 5AR inhibitor than previously available, those n longer have to be issues with testosterone.
There are still good uses for the synthetics and reasons to use them but testosterone is these days even more of a general-purpose fine solution than in the past due to now having really good ways of taking care of these what would otherwise be drug metabolism drawbacks.
Tren does NOT help cardio at all actually, it inhibits it to a certain extent. Causing bronchiole constriction and it also seems to raise blood pressure. My point was that while it works the same, it is not NEEDED on fat guys. If you are truly worried about losing muscle a simple 3-400mg/week of test will work for those who are very overweight. [/quote]
i’m not worried about losing muscle or run for miles. my only goal is to look and feel good, which happens to mean losing some fat, but mainly aincreasing lean muscle to help the process. already paid for and started the tren, so i was really just considering adding the test.
uh oh. i think i may be wrong. is this wrong, bonez? again, it’s another one of those things where everyone says something different. some (people i know) tell me don’t worry about it at all with tren only, 8 wk cycle, first cycle.
i’ve been more apt to think it IS important from what i’ve read, but why would it be necessary during the cycle?
hey bonez, i think my biggest problem right now lies with this buddy of mine with experience with this stuff. he’s always been a top athlete all the way thru college, but just wasn’t quick enough beyond that.
initially, it sounded like he really knew his stuff and i had a lot of confidence in his input and advice due to the fact he’d been around it all for so long. now that i come to him with FACTS - facts that i’ve read over and over again - and popular opinions from many online forums, he tries to discredit them all and wants me to just listen to him and “don’t worry about it.”
the last thing i’ll ever do is “not worry about it.” so on, so forth…i think you understand. i am here to learn as much as i can and with your asking me to explain the HCG comment it made me realize i shouldn’t give any advice at this pt. i was just spitting out crap i heard earlier in the day. thanks for calling me out.
HCG is not good to use during PCT (if that’s what you meant by "til the end). If your testes atrophy it is wise to use it in small amounts (250mg) 3 times per week or so.
Using it during PCT can cause a feedback mechanism that will add to the shutdown of the HPTA. For an 8 week cycle it is not necessary to use HCG, but you can if you want.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
HCG is not good to use during PCT (if that’s what you meant by "til the end). If your testes atrophy it is wise to use it in small amounts (250mg) 3 times per week or so.
Using it during PCT can cause a feedback mechanism that will add to the shutdown of the HPTA. For an 8 week cycle it is not necessary to use HCG, but you can if you want. [/quote]
i don’t know why i haven’t bothered to ask you until now, but if you were me in the same spot (started Tren E Monday @ 375mg wk divided in 2 inj.) what exactly would you do as far as AAS? i know it’d just be an opinion, but i’d love to hear yours. thanks.
[quote]CytoMelvin wrote:
hey bonez, i think my biggest problem right now lies with this buddy of mine with experience with this stuff. he’s always been a top athlete all the way thru college, but just wasn’t quick enough beyond that.
initially, it sounded like he really knew his stuff and i had a lot of confidence in his input and advice due to the fact he’d been around it all for so long.
now that i come to him with FACTS - facts that i’ve read over and over again - and popular opinions from many online forums, he tries to discredit them all and wants me to just listen to him and “don’t worry about it.”
the last thing i’ll ever do is “not worry about it.” so on, so forth…i think you understand. i am here to learn as much as i can and with your asking me to explain the HCG comment it made me realize i shouldn’t give any advice at this pt. i was just spitting out crap i heard earlier in the day. thanks for calling me out.
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No problem. Keep reading and keep learning, you’ll be happy you did. When your friend says something that sounds a little fishy chances are you’ll be able to do a search on this site and find out the whole story.
[quote]CytoMelvin wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
HCG is not good to use during PCT (if that’s what you meant by "til the end). If your testes atrophy it is wise to use it in small amounts (250mg) 3 times per week or so.
Using it during PCT can cause a feedback mechanism that will add to the shutdown of the HPTA. For an 8 week cycle it is not necessary to use HCG, but you can if you want.
i don’t know why i haven’t bothered to ask you until now, but if you were me in the same spot (started Tren E Monday @ 375mg wk divided in 2 inj.) what exactly would you do as far as AAS? i know it’d just be an opinion, but i’d love to hear yours. thanks.[/quote]
I would stop the tren. Get some test enanthate and run a basic beginner cycle with appropriate ancillaries. Run it at 500mg/wk for 10 weeks than do PCT (either SERM or Stasis/taper). That is only if you are dead set on using AAS at this time. I wouldn’t recommend that in the first place, but whatever.
I would stop the tren. Get some test enanthate and run a basic beginner cycle with appropriate ancillaries. Run it at 500mg/wk for 10 weeks than do PCT (either SERM or Stasis/taper). That is only if you are dead set on using AAS at this time. I wouldn’t recommend that in the first place, but whatever. [/quote]
“beginner” cyle? why do so many reserve tren for “experienced” users, kind of as if it’s too good for beginners? i’m not knocking your advice. i asked for it and i appreciate it. i’m just curious about your word choice.
Tren has more sides (night sweats, erectile disfunction, prolactin based gyno, mood swings, appetite suppressant, back pumps, loss of cardio endurance, etc.) and is generally used by more advanced AAS users.
The idea is to see how your body responds to test alone since the milder sides are more easily handled and this way a beginner can take a step by step approach to gauge how his body responds.
I would stop the tren. Get some test enanthate and run a basic beginner cycle with appropriate ancillaries. Run it at 500mg/wk for 10 weeks than do PCT (either SERM or Stasis/taper). That is only if you are dead set on using AAS at this time. I wouldn’t recommend that in the first place, but whatever.
“beginner” cyle? why do so many reserve tren for “experienced” users, kind of as if it’s too good for beginners? i’m not knocking your advice. i asked for it and i appreciate it. i’m just curious about your word choice.[/quote]
Testosterone only is considered a beginner cycle because testosterone is naturally found in the body. In the majority of cases it is easy to tolerate 500mg/wk with appropriate ancillaries.
It is suggested for beginners because when using one type of AAS at a time it is easy to identify the culprit if problems arise. When using more than one at a time it may very well be impossible to tell which drug is causing problems. Tren is considered an advanced drug because of its notorious side effects that pop up in some users.
People using Tren for the first time typically go with acetate because if side effects do become intolerable the drug clears the system rather quickly. With an enanthate ester it may take a few weeks before negative sides subside.
People using Tren for the first time typically go with acetate because if side effects do become intolerable the drug clears the system rather quickly. With an enanthate ester it may take a few weeks before negative sides subside. [/quote]
What about running tren and takin esto from a previous cycle cause side affects popped up. What can anyone recommned as far as my sex drive not completely dying out with tren.