[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
On the topic of it not being fair to stereotype people for wearing sagging pants as criminals… really? Pant sagging is a fashion trend that originated from prisonwear and popularized by ganster rap, a music genre that romanticized criminal activity. Dont want to be steriotyped based on your fashion? Pull your pants up.
I dont see many people driving windowless vans complaining about being steriotyped as a pedobear.
Also, gorillavanilla I also am a white male living in Orlando. That doesnt mean my opinion on the lack of racism here prior to this event makes it a fact. Not sure how yours does. [/quote]
Don’t waste your breath on the clothing. I already tried that line of thought and was shot down by big X
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That is because it isn’t logical.
I don’t see sagging pants as the social stigma you do…because I understand that culture.
You are stereotyping every man with a fashion trend as a CRIMINAL when that isn’t the case at all…and you think it is ok simply because it is “majority opinion”.
Minorities don’t share that view…so why should they pull their pants up because YOU don’t accept it?[/quote]
All I am saying is that when a fashion trend is based on a criminal trend and popularized by those romanticizing criminal behavior dont be suprised when people stereotype it as criminal related. To not do so and justify it as ‘I get it because I am black’ means that you do not in fact get it. [/quote]
Damn I should of not replied. You worded it better
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I think the issue with this really stems from where one is riding in the “perception train”.
What this style is born of, and what it is evolving to represent are two different things. And X is at the front of the train as far as seeing the evolution, and people outside the communities where it is evolving are at the back of the train.
X, and I’m not trying to put words into his mouth, has eluded to Black culture in America as being in its infancy stage, and that is relatively true. Shit American culture in and of itself is relatively young, when compared to other civilizations in the world. It isn’t outlandish to look and see a group of people that were systematically withheld from making their place in the world by their government taking quite a few generations to fall into a cultural system that works for them, and within the larger society to which they belong.
In short, things don’t always mean what they did 10 and 15 years ago. [/quote]
Understand I am not condoning the stereotype. All I am saying is it is pretty short sighted to act ignorant as to WHY the stereotype has the correlation to criminal behavior when it is apparent. Also that the end user(or pant sagger) has no control of the stereotype(pull your pants up) And for someone who always uses the term ‘logic’ in their debate, X seems not to understand what it means.
I have alot of ink on my body. While I do not agree with the stereotypes that exist I do not act like I do not understand them or why they exist. I also understand I will never convince the mass public otherwise so my ink, while visable shirtless or in tank tops, is not visable in most attire and all business attire. Moral of the story, pull your pants up. It isnt fashionable anyways. Read some fashion magazines, look at the pioneers of black fashion in todays youth and even dare to say that sagging your pants is still relevant and fashionable.