[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
It’s rumored that Casey Anthony and Zimmerman will get married. The perfect couple living in the shadows and definitely innocent.[/quote]
4 realz if Zim gets his gun back Casey should have a baby
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I reject the name on the premise that rich non-whites don’t have advantages as well. [/quote]
Look, I can understand that sentiment because each person is still an individual, but we are looking at the population as a whole.
If “young black men” are seen as social threats and “young white men” are not, you can not possibly think this has no carry over into society as a whole down to the business level.
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I just want to nitpick a little here. I feel like governed is the wrong word. I do know what you are trying to say, so I’ll just leave it at that. Your point is valid, just the wording I’m not a huge fan of. [/quote]
Understood…but it still holds true. Blacks weren’t disallowed the ability to vote for any other reason than that they were not THE GOVERNING MAJORITY.
Once again, while this holds true, the bottom line is ONLY BLACKS seem to be affected by mass generalizations that affect the culture as a whole.
Sagging pants are a big thing in my community. The only people who would see that STYLE AND TREND as criminal would be people who don’t even try to understand the culture.
This affects young black men all over the country simply because it is stereotyped as something young black men do in majority.
White young men do not suffer and have never suffered a social stigma like that at all on a grand scale…EVER.
What you don’t know is Zimmerman had already been patrolling on his own without any selection before the residents decided he was their man but that’s okay it’s something that doesn’t have to come out or be relevant. I don’t really care that’s a side point the real issue is his god like ability to kill when things aren’t going his way in a situation he was at least partly responsible for creating.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is the definition of “white privilege”.
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lol yep
you beat me to it.
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I think I am more bothered that anyone tries to act like this isn’t the case.
It seems so…obvious.[/quote]
Because I’ve read enough world history to know that skin color is moot. Power is king, and a cache of resources = power. In today’s world, money is resources.
In short, Had the races been reversed, it would be, falsely, labeled “black privilege”. [/quote]
…it would also still apply and still hold true.[/quote]
This in and of itself proves it isn’t relative to skin color aside from circumstance.
Because if being white is so much easier than I know some people living in trailer parks that are due some of dat der privilege.
Oh how different the world would be had the Roman’s gone south into Africa rather than north…
It isn’t even that they lost. They were far enough behind on the technology tree where it wasn’t even a fight. It isn’t like people sat back and said “I hate these here people because they are black, lets make them slaves.” No, not at all. It went much more like this “wow, these dudes still use spears and bows and shit, lol. Lets blow them up with canons and make their women and children do all my manual labor so I can get rich…” And then a couple hundred years later “well shit, people don’t think slavery is cool anymore, welp, better use the fact they look different to buy me some more time.”
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
This in and of itself proves it isn’t relative to skin color aside from circumstance. [/quote]
I never said it was anything else.
Racism isn’t logical. It is the personification of CIRCUMSTANCE related to other human beings…ie, who has the resources and who has the power.
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Because if being white is so much easier than I know some people living in trailer parks that are due some of dat der privilege.[/quote]
Once again, I agree that everyone is an individual, but let’s not pretend that the white family in the trailer park will see the same racism in New Orleans at the gas station…or even on a job application when it comes to the population as a whole.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
like NOT being called a thug simply because how you dress is a trend usually seen in mostly people of your own race and nothing more.[/quote]
Everybody stereotypes. When I was 16 my friend, who’s black, was homeless for a few months and I gave him a ride to school and helped him out during that time. I started spending more time with him. That’s my first time ever going into the ghetto. People would ask me what my parents thought about me having black friends and helping out a black person assuming my parents were racist and didn’t want me to spend time with any black people. They thought I was hooked on drugs and I trading him rides for drugs. They found out I was doing a home school program and working part time and thought I didn’t have to work for anything since I’m white. They asked me where I lived and whenever they found out I lived down the road from the ghetto instead of living in a wealthy suburb they couldn’t believe a white person didn’t live in a rich part of town. As a white person I was stereotyped as a racist, wealthy drug addict that could possibly be a confidential informant.
Professor X- Sorry to interrupt. I’m white and I live in Orlando, Florida. No matter what anyone states who doesn’t live here I have about over 4 decades of experience with racism here, yes right here. It’s here and it’s clear. Yes, there are many of the population here that are not racist, there are many that pretend not to be, and there are the one’s who will always be. There is some evidence that recent inequality in Florida’s justice system exists.
I don’t have all the facts in front of me presently but recently a woman in the Miami, Florida area fired a gun in the air to scare her husband that had been abusing her. I believe their were some trumped up charges brought against her for trying to kill her husband. The woman was arrested and sentenced after a jury deliberated for something like 12 minutes to 20 years in prison. The woman was black.
That’s proof to me that there is definitely a big, huge problem in equity with handing out justice to blacks as opposed to whites, or hispanics. If a white man had been killed by a black man on neighborhood watch we’d be not reading, or seeing the case in the media because it wouldn’t matter. The black man would be sentenced to some horrendous sentence, end of story(Maybe a quick mention on the local news).
There is no end to the unrighteousness.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue someone who was trapped in an overturned truck, police said today.
Looks like a PR stunt… Im sure between hidding for his life he found the time… Please tell me it was black dude.
Next week he will broker a deal between the bloods & crips, negotiates the Paquioa Mayweather deal, and bring peace to the middle east.[/quote]
Your kind of stupidity is not good for the Jews.[/quote]
Neither is pandering to the here comes honey boo boo crowd that has historically been a equal oportunity offender when it comes to race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation. Remeber the majority followed hitler as well
[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
Professor X- Sorry to interrupt. I’m white and I live in Orlando, Florida. No matter what anyone states who doesn’t live here I have about over 4 decades of experience with racism here, yes right here. It’s here and it’s clear. Yes, there are many of the population here that are not racist, there are many that pretend not to be, and there are the one’s who will always be. There is some evidence that recent inequality in Florida’s justice system exists.
I don’t have all the facts in front of me presently but recently a woman in the Miami, Florida area fired a gun in the air to scare her husband that had been abusing her. I believe their were some trumped up charges brought against her for trying to kill her husband. The woman was arrested and sentenced after a jury deliberated for something like 12 minutes to 20 years in prison. The woman was black.
That’s proof to me that there is definitely a big, huge problem in equity with handing out justice to blacks as opposed to whites, or hispanics. If a white man had been killed by a black man on neighborhood watch we’d be not reading, or seeing the case in the media because it wouldn’t matter. The black man would be sentenced to some horrendous sentence, end of story(Maybe a quick mention on the local news).
There is no end to the unrighteousness.[/quote]
Do you base any of your comments on facts or do you strictly shoot from the hip (PUN) with emotional assumptions?
Oh yeah here is the article about the woman:
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/324906/19/Fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots
Good pun. Some facts. Some rational thought. Some emotion. Some logic. Some poking fun at.
I’m out. It’s been fun but I think in the end all the problems won’t be solved here.
[quote]b89 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
like NOT being called a thug simply because how you dress is a trend usually seen in mostly people of your own race and nothing more.[/quote]
Everybody stereotypes.
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True…and also not the point at all.
This isn’t about whether INDIVIDUALS STEREOTYPE.
It is about how as a population on a mass scale, one race can be affected by that stereotyping to a degree that it literally holds back social maturation and development which can prevent success.
Like we were just shown, some here want to claim one race does most crime…and then turn around and claim that race should not matter…which ignores the negative effect this stereotype can have on an entire race as a whole and then ignores the cyclical social decay as a result.
Simply put, if you want to claim that race is a non-issue, bringing up stats about what race does what crime would never occur…because the act itself implies that RACE is the factor and not CIRCUMSTANCE.
[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
Oh yeah here is the article about the woman:
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/324906/19/Fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots[/quote]
She came back in, fired multiple shots through walls in the direction of him AND his children…
And his children…
Children…
She should have taken the plea bargain.
[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
If a white man had been killed by a black man on neighborhood watch we’d be not reading, or seeing the case in the media because it wouldn’t matter. The black man would be sentenced to some horrendous sentence, end of story(Maybe a quick mention on the local news).
There is no end to the unrighteousness.[/quote]
http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/
[quote]Professor X wrote:
but we are looking at the population as a whole.
If “young black men” are seen as social threats and “young white men” are not, you can not possibly think this has no carry over into society as a whole down to the business level.[/quote]
First off, I live in the north. The assumptions about southern white people here aren’t really all that good. In fact I live in the People’s Commonwealth of Massachusetts, and the overwhelming attitude is any white person in a cowboy is a childish, ignorant racists, what is wrong with this country and is to never be taken serious.
Then comes the vile hatred of anyone on Welfare… Whole lot more whites on state assistance than any other ethnic group.
All those “people of Wal-Mart” jokes on facebook, sure lot of trashy white people everywhere.
You, I and everyone filter things through our own bubbles. I really don’t see where the advantage lines stop being drawn on economic clout and start being drawn on racial lines.
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Blacks weren’t disallowed the ability to vote for any other reason than that they were not THE GOVERNING MAJORITY.[/quote]
America isn’t a democracy, it is a republic. Which means majority opinion isn’t rule of law.
Blame the Democrats. (Who in Jefferson’s time were called republicans, and changed names a couple of times.)
They never should have been prevented from self government from jump street. As products of the Enlightenment, it took some serious mental gymnastics to not form the union free of slavery. (They did plan to re-visit and abolish the practice some ten years after ratification though it didn’t work out.)
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Once again, while this holds true, the bottom line is ONLY BLACKS seem to be affected by mass generalizations that affect the culture as a whole.[/quote]
Yeah, I don’t know man.
No doubt blacks get generalized, but it isn’t like whites don’t, Asians don’t and Hispanics don’t.
Shit, I’ve been called so many names and had so many negative assumptions of me simply because I’m open about being a conservative that it is laughable.
I don’t know if everyone sees things as race first as that.
[quote]Sagging pants are a big thing in my community. The only people who would see that STYLE AND TREND as criminal would be people who don’t even try to understand the culture.
This affects young black men all over the country simply because it is stereotyped as something young black men do in majority.[/quote]
As you are well aware, that clothing style became associated with a particular attitude in the “main stream”. An attitude of “fuck you, fuck everyone”, then 2pac, biggie, etc so on and so forth, and suddenly you have this perception. It took time for the perception to take hold, and just as it has taken hold, it will fade.
Tell that to the Italians and Irish.
[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
There is some evidence that recent inequality in Florida’s justice system exists.
I don’t have all the facts in front of me presently but recently a woman in the Miami, Florida area fired a gun in the air to scare her husband that had been abusing her. I believe their were some trumped up charges brought against her for trying to kill her husband. The woman was arrested and sentenced after a jury deliberated for something like 12 minutes to 20 years in prison. The woman was black.
That’s proof to me that there is definitely a big, huge problem in equity with handing out justice to blacks as opposed to whites, or hispanics.[/quote]
It is quite clear you do not have all the facts. Because you are ignoring quite a few.
But, keep pushing “dats racist” because anyone that reads up on the Alexander case can clearly see what happened, and it had jack and shit to do with her skin color.
[quote]If a white man had been killed by a black man on neighborhood watch we’d be not reading, or seeing the case in the media because it wouldn’t matter. The black man would be sentenced to some horrendous sentence, end of story(Maybe a quick mention on the local news).
There is no end to the unrighteousness.[/quote]
http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/
Kid he shot was white.
Enjoy the crow you’re eating.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
There is some evidence that recent inequality in Florida’s justice system exists.
I don’t have all the facts in front of me presently but recently a woman in the Miami, Florida area fired a gun in the air to scare her husband that had been abusing her. I believe their were some trumped up charges brought against her for trying to kill her husband. The woman was arrested and sentenced after a jury deliberated for something like 12 minutes to 20 years in prison. The woman was black.
That’s proof to me that there is definitely a big, huge problem in equity with handing out justice to blacks as opposed to whites, or hispanics.[/quote]
It is quite clear you do not have all the facts. Because you are ignoring quite a few.
But, keep pushing “dats racist” because anyone that reads up on the Alexander case can clearly see what happened, and it had jack and shit to do with her skin color.
[quote]If a white man had been killed by a black man on neighborhood watch we’d be not reading, or seeing the case in the media because it wouldn’t matter. The black man would be sentenced to some horrendous sentence, end of story(Maybe a quick mention on the local news).
There is no end to the unrighteousness.[/quote]
http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/
Kid he shot was white.
Enjoy the crow you’re eating. [/quote]
So where are the activist websites for signing up to protest against this verdict?
I’m sure as hell going to be contacting my local blind celebrity to get a boycott started.
On the topic of it not being fair to stereotype people for wearing sagging pants as criminals… really? Pant sagging is a fashion trend that originated from prisonwear and popularized by ganster rap, a music genre that romanticized criminal activity. Dont want to be steriotyped based on your fashion? Pull your pants up.
I dont see many people driving windowless vans complaining about being steriotyped as a pedobear.
Also, gorillavanilla I also am a white male living in Orlando. That doesnt mean my opinion on the lack of racism here prior to this event makes it a fact. Not sure how yours does.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
There is some evidence that recent inequality in Florida’s justice system exists.
I don’t have all the facts in front of me presently but recently a woman in the Miami, Florida area fired a gun in the air to scare her husband that had been abusing her. I believe their were some trumped up charges brought against her for trying to kill her husband. The woman was arrested and sentenced after a jury deliberated for something like 12 minutes to 20 years in prison. The woman was black.
That’s proof to me that there is definitely a big, huge problem in equity with handing out justice to blacks as opposed to whites, or hispanics.[/quote]
It is quite clear you do not have all the facts. Because you are ignoring quite a few.
But, keep pushing “dats racist” because anyone that reads up on the Alexander case can clearly see what happened, and it had jack and shit to do with her skin color.
[quote]If a white man had been killed by a black man on neighborhood watch we’d be not reading, or seeing the case in the media because it wouldn’t matter. The black man would be sentenced to some horrendous sentence, end of story(Maybe a quick mention on the local news).
There is no end to the unrighteousness.[/quote]
http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/
Kid he shot was white.
Enjoy the crow you’re eating. [/quote]
So where are the activist websites for signing up to protest against this verdict?
I’m sure as hell going to be contacting my local blind celebrity to get a boycott started.[/quote]
I had mentioned this case a few pages back. The funniest thing is, I or the rest of the country never heard of it(it was back in 2009) nor would have if it wasnt for this case.
Well, we have a crazy black guy harrassing a black lady and lunged at her with a knige who finally shot the guy at a gas station today.
It’s on video.
http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Argument-leads-to-fatal-shooting-in-southeast-Houston-216412611.html
Justice for Poochie! He ain’t hurt nobody. (According to his brother.)