[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
Also just read AC’s post. Bravo man. That was inspirational.[/quote]
Dude i just had to say…that face Homer is making in your avatar…That is the EXACT face ive been making reading 90% of the posts in this thread.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
Also just read AC’s post. Bravo man. That was inspirational.[/quote]
Dude i just had to say…that face Homer is making in your avatar…That is the EXACT face ive been making reading 90% of the posts in this thread.[/quote]
Lol, you and me brother.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Why are you here?[/quote]
To discuss this topic.
[quote]
You complain about not being able to have an actual discussion and yet you’ve ignored my last few attempts to do so with you.[/quote]
I wasn’t aware I ignored you at all. This thread is filled with too many posts and covers too many pages to even think that your own stand out against it that much.
[quote]
How about you start by discussing why you think it is relevant to point out that crime statistics do not record every single crime being committed.[/quote]
Because without ANY knowledge of even how many crimes are being committed, one can never say that one group is committing most of it.
[quote]
If the rate at which crimes are committed remain the same with every ethnic group in those stats, even if the raw numbers are different, then it is irrelevant to mention that the stats don’t represent reality. Or do you think that crime stats are not representative of the trends they show? Do you think that the actual crime rate amongst whites is really higher than it is amongst blacks? And if so, how do you know this?[/quote]
None of what you wrote here seems to acknowledge the simple fact that
-You don’t know how much crime (violent or non-violent) is going on
-Profiling alone leads to more arrests of those being profiled.
[quote]
Secondly, could you discuss my response as to why sagging your pants makes you a thug? You demanded to know why someone said such a thing and I answered, although I responded directly to DN and not you.[/quote]
What response? Do you really think I plan to dig through 40 pages to find your one response?
[quote]
Thirdly, what about the whole “pimp/hoe” thing? Don’t you think it reeks of ignorance for a group of people who, on the one hand were enslaved themselves at one point and decry this (as they rightly should) but then turn right around and literally glorify being a pimp, which is nothing more than glorifying being a slaveowner? I discussed this in more detail earlier. Perhaps if you want to have a discussion you could start by addressing these three points I’ve made.[/quote]
The “pimp ho” thing?
WTF?
Are you saying this only occurs with black people and there are no white hoes and pimps?[/quote]
You say that we don’t have ANY knowledge of how many crimes are being committed. And yet, you fail to understand that crime statistics ARE knowledge of how many crimes are being committed. It doesn’t paint a 100% accurate picture of the actual crime being committed, but you have no evidence whatsoever that it doesn’t represent an accurate estimate of the rate at which crime is committed.
Secondly, I DO expect you to dig through 40 pages of posts in this thread to find my response to the question because you demanded an answer to it way back when. You asked for it, you got it, and now you’re not going to read it? Okay, I see what game you’re playing.
I am surely not saying that black people are the only hoes and pimps out there. Of course there are white, brown, yellow, pink whatever hoes and pimps out there. But we’re not talking about those other groups right now. The fact is that none of those other groups were enslaved in this country to the degree that blacks were, nor are they still crying foul about it now every time that a crime is perpetrated upon a black by a white, or in Zimmerman’s case, a Peruvian.
So again, what’s with the pimps and hoes thing? Do you not think that blacks bear some sort of responsibility or whatever to stop glorifying something that isn’t much different to something horrific that was done to many of their ancestors here? Is that not a reasonable assertion on my part? I think that ALL races should stop glorifying it because sexual slavery is actually quite a large problem not only in this country, but around the world as well.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
While their is white pimps, “pimpin” is not GLORIFIED in white entertainment the way “pimpin” is GLORIFIED in black entertainment.
[/quote]
This movie GLORIFIED killing and stealing.
Why was it tolerated by white people?[/quote]
It wasn’t tolerated by a LOT of white people. It was actually a very controversial film and not well-received critically when it came out.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Wow you are really missing the point here. While their is white pimps, “pimpin” is not GLORIFIED in white entertainment the way “pimpin” is GLORIFIED in black entertainment. [/quote]
Uh, killin’ was glorified in movies that many white people see from the Godfather to The Sopranos…why is this allowed by white people???
Oh, wait…you see a difference?
[quote]You are also missing the hypocrisy a style of slavery being GLORIFIED by a race that was enslaved in the past.
[/quote]
Possibly because they don’t see it as “slavery”?
Wow, what a concept…that they don’t agree with you on the concept.
But of course, YOUR OPINION is the only right one…and I am sure you will tell us why that is.[/quote]
Well, since you bring up the Godfather, we’re all a part of the same hypocrisy, X, but I’ve already acknowledged as much; you have not. You seem content to point the finger right back at other people every time a rational point is brought up and directed toward you. And then you complain that no one wants to engage you in an actual discussion but would rather engage in personal attacks, using this as an excuse to avoid the issue as long as you can, perhaps forever. At worst, you hold out hope that you can string things along long enough for someone sucked into a back and forth with you to start losing consciousness and end up posting something that might be vaguely bogus, and then you jump onto that issue instead and begin the whole process over again. Like I said, I see what game you’re playing here. I like it, I really do. But it’s not going to work on me, pal.
[quote]Professor X wrote:a
That is a ten pound increased weight difference from when I was last video taped with a 3" reduction in waste size.
Uh, yeah…tons of people making progress like that after reaching an advanced state…yeah…all over the place…so many of them…oops, just bumped into another…yep…even after bad injuries and broken bones.
[/quote]
All that progress after after lifting for 12+ years?
You natty brah?
Hell of a post Angry! Your story is exactly why no matter how frustrated or angry I get with her, I still love 'Merica!
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You say that we don’t have ANY knowledge of how many crimes are being committed. And yet, you fail to understand that crime statistics ARE knowledge of how many crimes are being committed.[/quote]
Actually, crime stats are data about how many crimes GOT REPORTED and how many crimes got PROSECUTED. They are not in any way a number showing HOW MANY CRIMES are actually committed. We have no data on all crimes being committed…because all crimes do not go reported.
[quote]
you have no evidence whatsoever that it doesn’t represent an accurate estimate of the rate at which crime is committed.[/quote]
We know this because we know that not all crimes are even known or reported.
[quote]
Secondly, I DO expect you to dig through 40 pages of posts in this thread to find my response to the question because you demanded an answer to it way back when. You asked for it, you got it, and now you’re not going to read it? Okay, I see what game you’re playing.[/quote]
You mean the game of NOT wasting hours trying to find your one post?
If you want me to read it, post it here.
[quote]
I am surely not saying that black people are the only hoes and pimps out there. Of course there are white, brown, yellow, pink whatever hoes and pimps out there. But we’re not talking about those other groups right now.[/quote]
But…you asked why the ENTIRE BLACK RACE tolerated pimps and hos. Doesn’t this imply that no other race tolerates it?
[quote]
The fact is that none of those other groups were enslaved in this country to the degree that blacks were, nor are they still crying foul about it now every time that a crime is perpetrated upon a black by a white, or in Zimmerman’s case, a Peruvian.[/quote]
What does this have to do with pimps and hos?
Hos are not slaves. Pimps are not slave owners.
[quote]
So again, what’s with the pimps and hoes thing? Do you not think that blacks bear some sort of responsibility or whatever to stop glorifying something that isn’t much different to something horrific that was done to many of their ancestors here? Is that not a reasonable assertion on my part? I think that ALL races should stop glorifying it because sexual slavery is actually quite a large problem not only in this country, but around the world as well.[/quote]
Once again, how are you accusing AN ENTIRE RACE of tolerating an activity?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
because all crimes do not go reported.
[/quote]
Don’t need to be, it’s called taking a sample.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
because all crimes do not go reported.
[/quote]
Don’t need to be, it’s called taking a sample.[/quote]
Which only shows you what got reported.
How many petty thefts go unreported?
How much fraud goes unreported?
These are still crimes. Since we have NO CLUE how many of these occur, yuou can not say that one race does MOST CRIME or not.
It does no good to put a COLOR on the numbers of crimes unless you are saying that COLOR is why there are more crimes seen from those people.
Do you understand this?
To say “BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIME” is a fault in itself…because them being black isn’t what caused the crime to happen in itself.
What is the point of doing this if you don’t even know how much crime is going on?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You say that we don’t have ANY knowledge of how many crimes are being committed. And yet, you fail to understand that crime statistics ARE knowledge of how many crimes are being committed.[/quote]
Actually, crime stats are data about how many crimes GOT REPORTED and how many crimes got PROSECUTED. They are not in any way a number showing HOW MANY CRIMES are actually committed. We have no data on all crimes being committed…because all crimes do not go reported.
[quote]
you have no evidence whatsoever that it doesn’t represent an accurate estimate of the rate at which crime is committed.[/quote]
We know this because we know that not all crimes are even known or reported.
[quote]
Secondly, I DO expect you to dig through 40 pages of posts in this thread to find my response to the question because you demanded an answer to it way back when. You asked for it, you got it, and now you’re not going to read it? Okay, I see what game you’re playing.[/quote]
You mean the game of NOT wasting hours trying to find your one post?
If you want me to read it, post it here.
[quote]
I am surely not saying that black people are the only hoes and pimps out there. Of course there are white, brown, yellow, pink whatever hoes and pimps out there. But we’re not talking about those other groups right now.[/quote]
But…you asked why the ENTIRE BLACK RACE tolerated pimps and hos. Doesn’t this imply that no other race tolerates it?
[quote]
The fact is that none of those other groups were enslaved in this country to the degree that blacks were, nor are they still crying foul about it now every time that a crime is perpetrated upon a black by a white, or in Zimmerman’s case, a Peruvian.[/quote]
What does this have to do with pimps and hos?
Hos are not slaves. Pimps are not slave owners.
I never implied that the entire black race tolerated the pimp thing. I said that it was widely glorified in certain aspects of black culture. Big difference there, X. Even if I DID say that, in no way does that imply that other races don’t tolerate it at all. Shit, I don’t tolerate it but I’ve acknowledged that many people from different races DO tolerate it. So, back to the original point about that. What are your thoughts on seeing blacks glorify slavery?
If you don’t think that “hoes” are not slaves, you’re egregiously mistaken. If you make even a cursory attempt to research the issue a little you’ll find that most prostitutes are sex slaves forced into their trade by threat of violence and death against them and/or their family. Many others voluntarily start after shit in their lives goes awry and then are forced to stay in the business by threat of violence. Either way, the “pimps” running them are not nice people at all and have no regard for their prostitutes. The pimp is the modern-day slaveowner, and all your ignorant denials are not going to change this very basic fact, X.
I am not saying that all blacks tolerate the pimps/hoes thing, only that the entirety of the race bears the responsibility to stop glorifying such a heinous enterprise, as do ALL races. Just because I feel that an entire race bears that burden does not mean that I feel the entire race glorifies it or tolerates it. That is a pretty clear distinction that is easy to make that you seem incapable of distinguishing between.
Perhaps it’s because it is another way for you to justify avoiding the actual issue at hand that I’ve brought up.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You say that we don’t have ANY knowledge of how many crimes are being committed. And yet, you fail to understand that crime statistics ARE knowledge of how many crimes are being committed.[/quote]
Actually, crime stats are data about how many crimes GOT REPORTED and how many crimes got PROSECUTED. They are not in any way a number showing HOW MANY CRIMES are actually committed. We have no data on all crimes being committed…because all crimes do not go reported.
[quote]
you have no evidence whatsoever that it doesn’t represent an accurate estimate of the rate at which crime is committed.[/quote]
We know this because we know that not all crimes are even known or reported.
[quote]
Secondly, I DO expect you to dig through 40 pages of posts in this thread to find my response to the question because you demanded an answer to it way back when. You asked for it, you got it, and now you’re not going to read it? Okay, I see what game you’re playing.[/quote]
You mean the game of NOT wasting hours trying to find your one post?
If you want me to read it, post it here.
[quote]
I am surely not saying that black people are the only hoes and pimps out there. Of course there are white, brown, yellow, pink whatever hoes and pimps out there. But we’re not talking about those other groups right now.[/quote]
But…you asked why the ENTIRE BLACK RACE tolerated pimps and hos. Doesn’t this imply that no other race tolerates it?
[quote]
The fact is that none of those other groups were enslaved in this country to the degree that blacks were, nor are they still crying foul about it now every time that a crime is perpetrated upon a black by a white, or in Zimmerman’s case, a Peruvian.[/quote]
What does this have to do with pimps and hos?
Hos are not slaves. Pimps are not slave owners.
As this topic wears on, your answers continually amaze…just when i think they cant get any more naive/ignorant, they do.
In regards to PX’s “crimes not going reported argument”.
1 - Reporting a crime is the only way we have of measuring this statistic.
2 - You’re not making the case you think you are. There is a likelihood that the unreported crimes may further enforce the conclusion that the reports have.
3 - I would like to present parallel analogies that mirror your logic to show how silly it is:
A - Trayvon Marshall isn’t dead. Why? We only have accounts from living people. Maybe the dead people can see that he’s still alive.
B - This isn’t a white vs. black issue. Why? Because Trayvon was actually the color grue. Just because we can’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
So in actuality, you’re right in your assertion … but you’ll also have to forgo your belief about things like gravity, magnetism, biology and physics in general. If you don’t then you simply hold contradictory beliefs about the acquisition of what you know to be true.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
because all crimes do not go reported.
[/quote]
Don’t need to be, it’s called taking a sample.[/quote]
Which only shows you what got reported.
How many petty thefts go unreported?
How much fraud goes unreported?
These are still crimes. Since we have NO CLUE how many of these occur, yuou can not say that one race does MOST CRIME or not.
It does no good to put a COLOR on the numbers of crimes unless you are saying that COLOR is why there are more crimes seen from those people.
Do you understand this?
To say “BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIME” is a fault in itself…because them being black isn’t what caused the crime to happen in itself.
What is the point of doing this if you don’t even know how much crime is going on?
[/quote]
I think it’s safe to say that since statistical evidence shows us that most crimes being committed are committed by minorities, there’s reason to think that the crimes that occur but don’t get reported also fall along similar lines.
Anyone who knows even a thing about statistics knows that correlation does not imply causation, X. No one here putting forth the statistical argument is claiming that blacks commit crimes because they are black, yet you seem to assume that we do. It’s a bullshit fallacy that you’ve assigned to our argument that simply isn’t there because it’s the only way for you to bolster yours.
You say that we have “no clue” regarding how many crimes are committed. The reality is that crime statistics DO give us a pretty good clue as to how many are being committed. You’re the only one arguing that the stats are not representative of reality. NO ONE is arguing that stats represent Every. Single. Crime. Ever. Yet you continue to hammer away as if we are.
Why do you think that stats show such a disparity between blacks and whites and the crimes they commit? Do you think that for whatever reason crimes being committed by whites don’t go reported at a high rate, while for whatever reason most crimes committed by blacks DO go reported? Is this what you arguing?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
because all crimes do not go reported.
[/quote]
Don’t need to be, it’s called taking a sample.[/quote]
Which only shows you what got reported.
How many petty thefts go unreported?
How much fraud goes unreported?
These are still crimes. Since we have NO CLUE how many of these occur, yuou can not say that one race does MOST CRIME or not.
It does no good to put a COLOR on the numbers of crimes unless you are saying that COLOR is why there are more crimes seen from those people.
Do you understand this?
To say “BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIME” is a fault in itself…because them being black isn’t what caused the crime to happen in itself.
What is the point of doing this if you don’t even know how much crime is going on?
[/quote]
The point, as has been said a dozen times over by those who have the ability to understand the most basic of concepts such as stat trends and sample pools, as well as common sense, is that while its impossible to calculate a stat that takes into account every singe person or instance when looking at a global or nationwide scale, the evidence that is compiled suggests HEAVILY that blacks commit far more crime relative to their population.
I suppose we cant rely on the census every 10 years since it doesnt take into account the homeless people.
I suppose every major brand manufacturer that uses market research focus studies and consumer polls is completely wasting their time, since they haven polled EVERY potential consumer.
Let me do the rest for you;
GEE, white people are clearly just better at not getting caught.
[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
In regards to PX’s “crimes not going reported argument”.
1 - Reporting a crime is the only way we have of measuring this statistic.
2 - You’re not making the case you think you are. There is a likelihood that the unreported crimes may further enforce the conclusion that the reports have.
3 - I would like to present parallel analogies that mirror your logic to show how silly it is:
A - Trayvon Marshall isn’t dead. Why? We only have accounts from living people. Maybe the dead people can see that he’s still alive.
B - This isn’t a white vs. black issue. Why? Because Trayvon was actually the color grue. Just because we can’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
So in actuality, you’re right in your assertion … but you’ll also have to forgo your belief about things like gravity, magnetism, biology and physics in general. If you don’t then you simply hold contradictory beliefs about the acquisition of what you know to be true. [/quote]
The difference is, common sense would dictate that those scenarios, while being an accurate analogy, are extremely unlikely compared to the crime stats we are arguing (i would say debating but thats impossible to do with PX in the mix)
For someone to deny what youve said would be expected. For someone to deny that these stats are an accurate measuring stick for the total population is pure ignorance and grasping.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
because all crimes do not go reported.
[/quote]
Don’t need to be, it’s called taking a sample.[/quote]
Which only shows you what got reported.
How many petty thefts go unreported?
How much fraud goes unreported?
These are still crimes. Since we have NO CLUE how many of these occur, yuou can not say that one race does MOST CRIME or not.
It does no good to put a COLOR on the numbers of crimes unless you are saying that COLOR is why there are more crimes seen from those people.
Do you understand this?
To say “BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIME” is a fault in itself…because them being black isn’t what caused the crime to happen in itself.
What is the point of doing this if you don’t even know how much crime is going on?
[/quote]
I think we’re only talking violent crime and I think we’re talking about percentage of population. Just from what I have gleamed.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I think we’re only talking violent crime and I think we’re talking about percentage of population. Just from what I have gleamed. [/quote]
That’s the point…this debate extends over three threads and the first person who said it said that BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIMES as a statement in itself.
Once again, if blacks are profiled more, this alone leads to more arrests…so what is the intention of saying BLACK SKINS commits more crime than white skin?
[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
In regards to PX’s “crimes not going reported argument”.
1 - Reporting a crime is the only way we have of measuring this statistic. [/quote]
That doesn’t change the fact that since not all are reported, we have no clue how much crime is actually going on.
[quote]
2 - You’re not making the case you think you are. There is a likelihood that the unreported crimes may further enforce the conclusion that the reports have. [/quote]
There is a likelihood that if you profile black people less, less blacks will get arrested.
Silly?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I never implied that the entire black race tolerated the pimp thing. I said that it was widely glorified in certain aspects of black culture.[/quote]
I just showed you it is glorified in certain aspects of white culture…or else the white pimp would not exist.
[quote]
Big difference there, X. Even if I DID say that, in no way does that imply that other races don’t tolerate it at all. Shit, I don’t tolerate it but I’ve acknowledged that many people from different races DO tolerate it. So, back to the original point about that. What are your thoughts on seeing blacks glorify slavery? [/quote]
Pimps are not slave owners.
Hoes are not slaves…so why do you keep asking a question about something irrelevant?
[quote]
If you don’t think that “hoes” are not slaves, you’re egregiously mistaken. If you make even a cursory attempt to research the issue a little you’ll find that most prostitutes are sex slaves forced into their trade by threat of violence and death against them and/or their family. Many others voluntarily start after shit in their lives goes awry and then are forced to stay in the business by threat of violence. Either way, the “pimps” running them are not nice people at all and have no regard for their prostitutes. The pimp is the modern-day slaveowner, and all your ignorant denials are not going to change this very basic fact, X.[/quote]
I know a pimp. His “hoe’s” get something out of that relationship just like he does.
You are outside of a culture trying to put it into a small box…when it is way more complex…while denying that anyone could possibly have more insight than you…which is strange.
[quote]
I am not saying that all blacks tolerate the pimps/hoes thing, only that the entirety of the race bears the responsibility to stop glorifying such a heinous enterprise,[/quote]
The entire race? WTF? So ALL WHITES are responsible to stop glorifying that white pimp?
How does this make sense to you?
[quote]
as do ALL races. Just because I feel that an entire race bears that burden does not mean that I feel the entire race glorifies it or tolerates it.[/quote]
These words imply that YOU have no responsibility…only blacks.
[quote]
That is a pretty clear distinction that is easy to make that you seem incapable of distinguishing between.
Perhaps it’s because it is another way for you to justify avoiding the actual issue at hand that I’ve brought up.[/quote]
I am responding directly to the issues you keep writing.
Your issues just seem very flawed.