Trayvon Martin Pt. 3.. The Legacy Pt. 2

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
34 pages of white folks insisting they aren’t racist. I wonder if there are forums for Asian men who drive muscle cars to brag about how they aren’t tiny downstairs.

So, from what I’ve gathered this fud-wit forum full of white peoplez concluded thar iz no such thinz as white priveylidge. Thankz for publishing ur findingz and clearing that up! It’s so hard being white, nobody understands your perilz. Like when you have to go to the violentz black neighborhoodz and talk to people through bulletproof glass to buy gasoline/petrol. They are obviously animals.[/quote]

Hahahaha!!!

Fucking awesome![/quote]

Amen now its 39 pages so I quess theres no such thing as racial bias. Sociology isnt real they just teach it in almost every colege and university in the USA for shits and giigles…
All that shit about slavery, jim crow, and the civil rights movement must have just been part of Obamas master plan to covert us to Islam or some shit. Just pull your pants up, turn off that rap hop and work hard and everything will be just fine Jamal.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Seriously, who is the victim in a drug deal? Both sides get what they want.[/quote]

You always hear about drug deals gone bad but you never hear about the millions that turn out just fine.

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
The stats indicate that Blacks by percentage of population commit the most crime. Ie, for being 12% or whatever it is of the population, they commit a higher number of crimes for their represented percentage of the total population than any other race. That’s what the stats show.
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Add in social/economic status and I wonder what the numbers are. In other words, what % of poor whites commit crimes vs poor blacks.

How can I get some of this White Privilege you guys are talking about?

White guy Jewish Father, grew up in a predominantly Black and Hispanic area, my experiences made me what I am today, basically for every black or hispanic scumbag who gave me good ass kicking because I was a white kid in “their” neighborhood there were just as many accepted me as their friend because they got along with me.

Media fucks up race relations more than anything, they like to fester on differences rather than talk about our similarities. I am just a softy though

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
How can I get some of this White Privilege you guys are talking about?

White guy Jewish Father, grew up in a predominantly Black and Hispanic area, my experiences made me what I am today, basically for every black or hispanic scumbag who gave me good ass kicking because I was a white kid in “their” neighborhood there were just as many accepted me as their friend because they got along with me.

Media fucks up race relations more than anything, they like to fester on differences rather than talk about our similarities. I am just a softy though[/quote]

Same here. White guy that grew up in a black neighborhood in Baltimore.

-The first fight I got in was when I was jumped by two black boys in elementary school (I won that fight, BTW) but they were making racist remarks before and during. And I was the one who got suspended.

-When I got a basket ball for Christmas, I thought I’d take it to the local court. When I got there, my ball was taken from me by older black kids and I was told in no uncertain terms, “white boy, go home - this is OUR court” and he lifted his shirt showing me the handle of a gun… I was eight, being threatened by a black teenager with a gun after he stole my ball.

-when they showed Alex Hayley’s movie Roots in history class, the day the cut off Kunta Kinte’s foot, I was chased home from school by about ten black kids from my class because they wanted to kick my ass for what happened to Kunta Kinte. Seriously. I can’t make this shit up.
An interesting note was that earlier that month, we had traced our family tree, and all of MY ancestors immigrated from Scandinavia and Germany in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s - no one in my family tree EVER owned a black slave in the US. When I tried telling them this they didn’t care to listen, they just wanted to kick a white person’s ass. Not saying my Viking ancestors never raped, pillaged or had European slaves, just that I am 100% certain we never owned black American slaves.

-When I was 14 I was beaten and left for dead by 15 or 20 black teenagers. They broke my neck, my nose, my ribs, chipped teeth and swole both of my eyes shut. My own mother walked right by me in the hospital because she didn’t recognize me. The last thing I remember before I lost consciousness was, “lets kill this white mutherfucker”. None of them were ever brought up on any charges.

-When I was in prison, if I had a dollar for every racist remark directed my way by blacks, I’d retire. I was 18 and white when I went to the MD penitentiary. It was NOT FUN. I got stabbed twice my first night because when they said, “white boy, gimme them shoes”, I told them to fuck off. There isn’t enough space in this thread to describe every single racially motivated (black on white) conflict I’ve been subjected to.

-When I applied to the electrical apprenticeship, I was denied for two years in a row. My third year, I was accepted. When I made some comments to some of my fellow African-American apprentices like, “man, I’m glad I finally got in, how long did it take you guys?”. They looked at me like I was crazy because THEY didn’t have to wait at all. In fact, one of them had never done any electrical work before, he was just accepted into the program and the Union found him a job. I guess I didn’t have a “race card” to play on my apprenticeship application. Cuz I grew up with “white privilege” and all that…

BUT HERE’S WHERE IT GET’S INTERESTING:

I don’t hate black people. My first girlfriend was black and I’ve dated MANY black women over the years - almost married one. I did marry a Latina. Several of my close friends to this day are black. It was my friendship and relationship with an older black electrician that got me into the electrical apprenticeship and allowed me to succeed in my current career. I listen to hip hop music when I am in the mood, am completely fluent in “ebonics”, and know how to give a proper handshake in the hood.

I’ve never cried, “I’m a victim”.

I’ve suffered permanent physical damage as a result of racially motivated attacks against me, but I’ve never used that as an excuse to hold me back at anything.

And it’s not because I was “raised right”. My mother and my father are two of the most dysfunctional people I know. I mean they are truly awful people and I don’t speak to either one of them any more. My lessons in life were all learned “the hard way” because my parents really did not give a fuck about me or my brother at all. Sometimes my mom forgot to feed us when she locked us in the room for days at a time while she was out whoring around.

Every excuse (poverty, bad schools, bad parents, dad not around, criminal record, no high school diploma, racially profiled, discriminated against, beat by the police, ect…) that the Media promotes as inequality against black people, I’ve been subjected to and have lived through. Only I haven’t had the luxury of having the government or social programs catch me when I fell. When I had hard times, there was no organization for me to turn to. When I needed help to pay for school, there was no “Caucasian American scholarship” available to me, even though I was in the same boat as many under privileged African Americans - so I learned a trade instead of going to college. When I was subjected to racial violence (that on several occasions almost killed me) by black citizens, police officers and prison guards, there was no NAAWP for me to turn to.

But for some fucking reason, it hasn’t held me back. You know why? Because I learned to think for myself, to trust only myself, to count ONLY on myself and knew that I had absolutely NO safety net. So I was motivated. I tried a LITTLE bit harder than the next guy. I took responsibility for my life and I didn’t blame anyone for my decisions or circumstance (because if I had, no one would listen - I’m white!).

I’m tired of hearing black people say, “the white man is keeping us down”. It’s bullshit. Every individual has the power to change their own life for the better. It’s the collective “victim mentality” that is keeping many otherwise bright African Americans with tons of potential down. The “leaders” (if you can call them that) of the black community dwell only on the negativity instead of the opportunity. The MEDIA takes things like the Zimmerman trial and uses it to twist our nation’s integrity like a wet towel, wringing all the tolerance and common sense that is left out of it like dirty wash water.

There is absolutely NO reason why ANY person of ANY color cannot find a way to become moderately successful in today’s United States of America. There are SO many ways and SO many paths that one can take. From college, the military, trades, starting a business, the whole internet and social media thing… There is PLENTY of opportunity for ANYONE to take advantage of. You can be an online graphic designer and no one would even know WHAT color you are - you could be GREEN for fuck’s sake! The only think keeping an individual from becoming moderately successful is the lack of motivation inside that individual. And guess what? That isn’t a quality specific to ANY race!

So instead of preaching about all the discrimination (real or imagined) how about talking about opportunity? Stop giving people an excuse for being mediocre and demand that they find the best within themselves, whatever that may be? Instead of being a “victim”, how about using some personal power and claiming the success that is your birthright as an American?

I see PX and DN on here crying the loudest, yet they are two very successful individuals by ANY standard, white or black (according to themselves)… PX is a dentist (somehow being black, he managed to get a dental degree, must have been a miracle or something… or wait, maybe he joined the military, saved his money, got an education and became successful) DN is a self proclaimed fetish industry millionaire… I thought that was impossible if you were black… Oh, wait, you mean you actually had an original idea, saw a niche that you could fill, found a profitable vehicle (the internet) to sell your idea and made a shit ton of money doing it? Are black people ALLOWED to do THAT?

Oh wait. They are.

Here are a few things that the Media left out during the whole debacle leading up to the trial.

If you check my post history in the first thread, I was clearly on the “fuck Zimmerman” band wagon. But then I actually looked at the evidence.

I am not too proud to say that I was wrong earlier and have changed my position on this issue. For the record, I still think Zimmerman is a dumbass who should have stayed in his car. But given the facts that we know and can prove about this case, he is only guilty of being stupid.

Amen AC. Its quite clear why you rose above so much in your life, you never took the victim mentality, which makes me have total respect for you. In your past it seems like a ton of negative experience weren’t your fault and it seems that possibly some were, you could even use some of your negative experiences as a crutch to be a negative person or a person that quit and gave in, but you didn’t so kudos to you. I see some similarities to a lesser degree with my own life, I have many times of weakness and hate that I refuse to let consume me maybe even some I could justify, but I wont, because like I said for every negative instance I had with someone because of what I was there was one that accepted me for what I was, shit I married a Latina, my best man in my wedding is a fucking asshole black guy from Brownsville Brooklyn. It would be ignorant of me not to realize that the same group of people that knocked me down in life are and were the same people that helped me up.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Seriously, who is the victim in a drug deal? Both sides get what they want.[/quote]

You always hear about drug deals gone bad but you never hear about the millions that turn out just fine.[/quote]

Lol.

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism-070000529.html

Yay, more racist statistics and information. [/quote]

I really just was so shocked and upset while reading through that. I’m not going to take part in the blame game going on in here, but I will say that I just cannot understand how X and some others are still trying to argue that racism is, in large part, a white institution. Really? Fourteen THOUSAND cases of black on white rape and NOT ONE case of white on black rape. It blows my mind. Like SmashingWeights, I believe, said: Does X and crew really think that 14,000 or more white people got away with rape to skew those statistics?
[/quote]

Its just as nutty as thinking no white guys raped black chicks.

Not 1?

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Interesting. Where are these majority of places whites can’t go without being in danger?

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I live in Northern NJ 15 minutes from Newark, Paterson and NYC so I’ll give you a few in my area:

Sections of Paterson , Newark, East Orange, and a lot of Camden. My friend works for a utility company and he has to cut people’s power off in sections of Irvington, East Orange and Newark when they don’t pay. He’s in the area a lot and gets racial slurs and threats thrown at him. It got bad enough to the point where they now need the help of the police to do their job.

I also worked a for a few months as cell tower auditor for T-Mobile and we had sites all over NYC. Instead of on towers, the cell sites are on top of the buildings. There were neighborhoods in the Bronx (near Webster and Jerome Ave), Brooklyn and upper part of Harlem (around 145 and St. Nick) where it wasn’t safe for whites after dark and even sometimes during the day. Both the cops and the thugs see a white guy in these neighborhoods and they immediately think you’re there for drugs. We would schedule audits for site in these areas no later than noon. The earlier, the better.

Obviously every housing project in the 4 boroughs (minus Manhattan) is off limits. Same goes for Paterson , Newark , Irvington, East Orange and Camden. There are other areas in NJ and NYC where whites can’t go, but I’m just listing the ones I’ve seen personally.
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I lived in Newark, not the Ironbound, and I am white. I felt in no more or less danger than a black who lived there felt. Then again, since I lived there, they all probably assumed I was as broke as they were. [/quote]

Interesting.

It would seem perception is relevant.

It also seems that people from Houston agree with each other on the social situation but people from Newark see the world completely differently than the guy down the block.

JK[/quote]
It should be noted that here in CT, after the recent tropical storms, power company workers were attacked both physically and verbally by white people, in very nice towns, because it was believed they were taking too long to restore power. Anger is universal. [/quote]

Link?

I would think that at least the local news would have covered it?[/quote]
They did.

Fairfield police posted a message on its Facebook page on Monday that United Illuminating crews are being harassed in town:

�????�???�??�?�¢??Several UI crews have been forced to stop work and call for police assistance after being harassed and threatened. There are over 100 crews in town working to restore power at this time. Please allow UI crews to do their job and do not interfere so we can ensure full restoration as soon as possible.�????�???�??�?�¢??

As of 1 p.m., UI reported 2,359 Fairfield customers without power, about 11 percent of its total customer base.

Fairfield police said UI has been forced to hire police to protect the crews.

Last week, UI crews in Bridgeport required police protection after workers reported people were yelling at them. Some of the crews said their trucks were pelted by eggs. On Monday, Bridgeport had 1,089 customers without power, according to UI, about 1.92 percent, down from more than 40,000 outages last week.

This is not the first report of utility workers being harassed in Fairfield in the aftermath of Superstorm Sandy.

A 62-year-old Perry Street man was arrested last Tuesday after police said he threatened an AT&T worker with a shotgun.

That same day, police received a report of an elderly man harassing UI workers on Merwins Lane, but police didn�??�??�??�?�¢??t locate him.

http://blog.ctnews.com/sandy/2012/11/05/fairfield-cops-ui-workers-being-harassed/

You’re welcome. [/quote]

LOfuckingL.

Zecarlo, I went to school at SHU for 3 semesters and lived on the border of Fairfield and Bridgeport. In no way, shape, or form would I consider Fairfield or Bridgeport a “very nice town.”

Not to mention, the article you linked mentioned NOTHING about a white man or black man doing the attacking of local UI workers.

As a matter of fact, I was going to mention Bridgeport, CT as one of the cities where a white person might feel in danger at night. I certainly did.

Bridgeport, the big city of dreams.[/quote]

Man, i freaking love how all these arguments by people like DN, Hebrew and Zecarlo just get torn down before they even get off the ground. [/quote]
Then you’ll love this:

The median income for a household in the town is $83,512, and the median income for a family is $100,920 (these figures had risen to $103,352 and $121,749 respectively as of a 2007 estimate[9]). Males have a median income of $69,525 versus $44,837 for females. The per capita income for the city is $43,670. 2.9% of the population and 1.8% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 2.8% of those under the age of 18 and 3.6% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line.

Fairfield is notable for, among other things, its very low crime rate. There have been only three murders in the last five years in town. Money Magazine’s 2006 Best Places to Live Survey ranks Fairfield as the second safest municipality in the United States.

Yeah, Fairfield sure sucks. BTW, I actually worked a checkpoint in Fairfield after the storm but hey, why take an eyewitness account of what the area is like when someone who supposedly knows the area, based on 3 semesters, can chime in and reveal they don’t know the difference between Fairfield and Bridgeport. [/quote]

No, i was referring more to the fact that race wasnt mentioned anywhere in that article, yet you were specifically referencing white people when you originally posted it.

Thanks for the info about Fairfield though?[/quote]
Look at the crime stats. You think there are many black people living there? I mean, according to this thread: Black = crime. [/quote]

And according to PX, stastics mean nothing, so i the best i can say is i dont know.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
How can I get some of this White Privilege you guys are talking about?

White guy Jewish Father, grew up in a predominantly Black and Hispanic area, my experiences made me what I am today, basically for every black or hispanic scumbag who gave me good ass kicking because I was a white kid in “their” neighborhood there were just as many accepted me as their friend because they got along with me.

Media fucks up race relations more than anything, they like to fester on differences rather than talk about our similarities. I am just a softy though[/quote]

Same here. White guy that grew up in a black neighborhood in Baltimore.

-The first fight I got in was when I was jumped by two black boys in elementary school (I won that fight, BTW) but they were making racist remarks before and during. And I was the one who got suspended.

-When I got a basket ball for Christmas, I thought I’d take it to the local court. When I got there, my ball was taken from me by older black kids and I was told in no uncertain terms, “white boy, go home - this is OUR court” and he lifted his shirt showing me the handle of a gun… I was eight, being threatened by a black teenager with a gun after he stole my ball.

-when they showed Alex Hayley’s movie Roots in history class, the day the cut off Kunta Kinte’s foot, I was chased home from school by about ten black kids from my class because they wanted to kick my ass for what happened to Kunta Kinte. Seriously. I can’t make this shit up.
An interesting note was that earlier that month, we had traced our family tree, and all of MY ancestors immigrated from Scandinavia and Germany in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s - no one in my family tree EVER owned a black slave in the US. When I tried telling them this they didn’t care to listen, they just wanted to kick a white person’s ass. Not saying my Viking ancestors never raped, pillaged or had European slaves, just that I am 100% certain we never owned black American slaves.

-When I was 14 I was beaten and left for dead by 15 or 20 black teenagers. They broke my neck, my nose, my ribs, chipped teeth and swole both of my eyes shut. My own mother walked right by me in the hospital because she didn’t recognize me. The last thing I remember before I lost consciousness was, “lets kill this white mutherfucker”. None of them were ever brought up on any charges.

-When I was in prison, if I had a dollar for every racist remark directed my way by blacks, I’d retire. I was 18 and white when I went to the MD penitentiary. It was NOT FUN. I got stabbed twice my first night because when they said, “white boy, gimme them shoes”, I told them to fuck off. There isn’t enough space in this thread to describe every single racially motivated (black on white) conflict I’ve been subjected to.

-When I applied to the electrical apprenticeship, I was denied for two years in a row. My third year, I was accepted. When I made some comments to some of my fellow African-American apprentices like, “man, I’m glad I finally got in, how long did it take you guys?”. They looked at me like I was crazy because THEY didn’t have to wait at all. In fact, one of them had never done any electrical work before, he was just accepted into the program and the Union found him a job. I guess I didn’t have a “race card” to play on my apprenticeship application. Cuz I grew up with “white privilege” and all that…

BUT HERE’S WHERE IT GET’S INTERESTING:

I don’t hate black people. My first girlfriend was black and I’ve dated MANY black women over the years - almost married one. I did marry a Latina. Several of my close friends to this day are black. It was my friendship and relationship with an older black electrician that got me into the electrical apprenticeship and allowed me to succeed in my current career. I listen to hip hop music when I am in the mood, am completely fluent in “ebonics”, and know how to give a proper handshake in the hood.

I’ve never cried, “I’m a victim”.

I’ve suffered permanent physical damage as a result of racially motivated attacks against me, but I’ve never used that as an excuse to hold me back at anything.

And it’s not because I was “raised right”. My mother and my father are two of the most dysfunctional people I know. I mean they are truly awful people and I don’t speak to either one of them any more. My lessons in life were all learned “the hard way” because my parents really did not give a fuck about me or my brother at all. Sometimes my mom forgot to feed us when she locked us in the room for days at a time while she was out whoring around.

Every excuse (poverty, bad schools, bad parents, dad not around, criminal record, no high school diploma, racially profiled, discriminated against, beat by the police, ect…) that the Media promotes as inequality against black people, I’ve been subjected to and have lived through. Only I haven’t had the luxury of having the government or social programs catch me when I fell. When I had hard times, there was no organization for me to turn to. When I needed help to pay for school, there was no “Caucasian American scholarship” available to me, even though I was in the same boat as many under privileged African Americans - so I learned a trade instead of going to college. When I was subjected to racial violence (that on several occasions almost killed me) by black citizens, police officers and prison guards, there was no NAAWP for me to turn to.

But for some fucking reason, it hasn’t held me back. You know why? Because I learned to think for myself, to trust only myself, to count ONLY on myself and knew that I had absolutely NO safety net. So I was motivated. I tried a LITTLE bit harder than the next guy. I took responsibility for my life and I didn’t blame anyone for my decisions or circumstance (because if I had, no one would listen - I’m white!).

I’m tired of hearing black people say, “the white man is keeping us down”. It’s bullshit. Every individual has the power to change their own life for the better. It’s the collective “victim mentality” that is keeping many otherwise bright African Americans with tons of potential down. The “leaders” (if you can call them that) of the black community dwell only on the negativity instead of the opportunity. The MEDIA takes things like the Zimmerman trial and uses it to twist our nation’s integrity like a wet towel, wringing all the tolerance and common sense that is left out of it like dirty wash water.

There is absolutely NO reason why ANY person of ANY color cannot find a way to become moderately successful in today’s United States of America. There are SO many ways and SO many paths that one can take. From college, the military, trades, starting a business, the whole internet and social media thing… There is PLENTY of opportunity for ANYONE to take advantage of. You can be an online graphic designer and no one would even know WHAT color you are - you could be GREEN for fuck’s sake! The only think keeping an individual from becoming moderately successful is the lack of motivation inside that individual. And guess what? That isn’t a quality specific to ANY race!

So instead of preaching about all the discrimination (real or imagined) how about talking about opportunity? Stop giving people an excuse for being mediocre and demand that they find the best within themselves, whatever that may be? Instead of being a “victim”, how about using some personal power and claiming the success that is your birthright as an American?

I see PX and DN on here crying the loudest, yet they are two very successful individuals by ANY standard, white or black (according to themselves)… PX is a dentist (somehow being black, he managed to get a dental degree, must have been a miracle or something… or wait, maybe he joined the military, saved his money, got an education and became successful) DN is a self proclaimed fetish industry millionaire… I thought that was impossible if you were black… Oh, wait, you mean you actually had an original idea, saw a niche that you could fill, found a profitable vehicle (the internet) to sell your idea and made a shit ton of money doing it? Are black people ALLOWED to do THAT?

Oh wait. They are.[/quote]

Youve seen some shit, my friend. Im willing to bet youve had a lot more racially charged shitty experiences than PX and DN combined.

Unfortunately everything you just said is a clear lie because nothing like that ever happens to white people.

EVER.

Its impossible.

Have you read a thing that PX and DN have posted yet?

[quote]SickSex6 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism-070000529.html

Yay, more racist statistics and information. [/quote]

I really just was so shocked and upset while reading through that. I’m not going to take part in the blame game going on in here, but I will say that I just cannot understand how X and some others are still trying to argue that racism is, in large part, a white institution. Really? Fourteen THOUSAND cases of black on white rape and NOT ONE case of white on black rape. It blows my mind. Like SmashingWeights, I believe, said: Does X and crew really think that 14,000 or more white people got away with rape to skew those statistics?
[/quote]

Its just as nutty as thinking no white guys raped black chicks.

Not 1? [/quote]

Id bet the house that it has most definitely happened in that year and every one since, but statistics are used to show trends and percentages, and if they stats provided here are proportionate to the general population in the slightest, its still a huge disparity.

No one said that not a single black woman was raped by a white man.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
How can I get some of this White Privilege you guys are talking about?

White guy Jewish Father, grew up in a predominantly Black and Hispanic area, my experiences made me what I am today, basically for every black or hispanic scumbag who gave me good ass kicking because I was a white kid in “their” neighborhood there were just as many accepted me as their friend because they got along with me.

Media fucks up race relations more than anything, they like to fester on differences rather than talk about our similarities. I am just a softy though[/quote]

Same here. White guy that grew up in a black neighborhood in Baltimore.

-The first fight I got in was when I was jumped by two black boys in elementary school (I won that fight, BTW) but they were making racist remarks before and during. And I was the one who got suspended.

-When I got a basket ball for Christmas, I thought I’d take it to the local court. When I got there, my ball was taken from me by older black kids and I was told in no uncertain terms, “white boy, go home - this is OUR court” and he lifted his shirt showing me the handle of a gun… I was eight, being threatened by a black teenager with a gun after he stole my ball.

-when they showed Alex Hayley’s movie Roots in history class, the day the cut off Kunta Kinte’s foot, I was chased home from school by about ten black kids from my class because they wanted to kick my ass for what happened to Kunta Kinte. Seriously. I can’t make this shit up.
An interesting note was that earlier that month, we had traced our family tree, and all of MY ancestors immigrated from Scandinavia and Germany in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s - no one in my family tree EVER owned a black slave in the US. When I tried telling them this they didn’t care to listen, they just wanted to kick a white person’s ass. Not saying my Viking ancestors never raped, pillaged or had European slaves, just that I am 100% certain we never owned black American slaves.

-When I was 14 I was beaten and left for dead by 15 or 20 black teenagers. They broke my neck, my nose, my ribs, chipped teeth and swole both of my eyes shut. My own mother walked right by me in the hospital because she didn’t recognize me. The last thing I remember before I lost consciousness was, “lets kill this white mutherfucker”. None of them were ever brought up on any charges.

-When I was in prison, if I had a dollar for every racist remark directed my way by blacks, I’d retire. I was 18 and white when I went to the MD penitentiary. It was NOT FUN. I got stabbed twice my first night because when they said, “white boy, gimme them shoes”, I told them to fuck off. There isn’t enough space in this thread to describe every single racially motivated (black on white) conflict I’ve been subjected to.

-When I applied to the electrical apprenticeship, I was denied for two years in a row. My third year, I was accepted. When I made some comments to some of my fellow African-American apprentices like, “man, I’m glad I finally got in, how long did it take you guys?”. They looked at me like I was crazy because THEY didn’t have to wait at all. In fact, one of them had never done any electrical work before, he was just accepted into the program and the Union found him a job. I guess I didn’t have a “race card” to play on my apprenticeship application. Cuz I grew up with “white privilege” and all that…

BUT HERE’S WHERE IT GET’S INTERESTING:

I don’t hate black people. My first girlfriend was black and I’ve dated MANY black women over the years - almost married one. I did marry a Latina. Several of my close friends to this day are black. It was my friendship and relationship with an older black electrician that got me into the electrical apprenticeship and allowed me to succeed in my current career. I listen to hip hop music when I am in the mood, am completely fluent in “ebonics”, and know how to give a proper handshake in the hood.

I’ve never cried, “I’m a victim”.

I’ve suffered permanent physical damage as a result of racially motivated attacks against me, but I’ve never used that as an excuse to hold me back at anything.

And it’s not because I was “raised right”. My mother and my father are two of the most dysfunctional people I know. I mean they are truly awful people and I don’t speak to either one of them any more. My lessons in life were all learned “the hard way” because my parents really did not give a fuck about me or my brother at all. Sometimes my mom forgot to feed us when she locked us in the room for days at a time while she was out whoring around.

Every excuse (poverty, bad schools, bad parents, dad not around, criminal record, no high school diploma, racially profiled, discriminated against, beat by the police, ect…) that the Media promotes as inequality against black people, I’ve been subjected to and have lived through. Only I haven’t had the luxury of having the government or social programs catch me when I fell. When I had hard times, there was no organization for me to turn to. When I needed help to pay for school, there was no “Caucasian American scholarship” available to me, even though I was in the same boat as many under privileged African Americans - so I learned a trade instead of going to college. When I was subjected to racial violence (that on several occasions almost killed me) by black citizens, police officers and prison guards, there was no NAAWP for me to turn to.

But for some fucking reason, it hasn’t held me back. You know why? Because I learned to think for myself, to trust only myself, to count ONLY on myself and knew that I had absolutely NO safety net. So I was motivated. I tried a LITTLE bit harder than the next guy. I took responsibility for my life and I didn’t blame anyone for my decisions or circumstance (because if I had, no one would listen - I’m white!).

I’m tired of hearing black people say, “the white man is keeping us down”. It’s bullshit. Every individual has the power to change their own life for the better. It’s the collective “victim mentality” that is keeping many otherwise bright African Americans with tons of potential down. The “leaders” (if you can call them that) of the black community dwell only on the negativity instead of the opportunity. The MEDIA takes things like the Zimmerman trial and uses it to twist our nation’s integrity like a wet towel, wringing all the tolerance and common sense that is left out of it like dirty wash water.

There is absolutely NO reason why ANY person of ANY color cannot find a way to become moderately successful in today’s United States of America. There are SO many ways and SO many paths that one can take. From college, the military, trades, starting a business, the whole internet and social media thing… There is PLENTY of opportunity for ANYONE to take advantage of. You can be an online graphic designer and no one would even know WHAT color you are - you could be GREEN for fuck’s sake! The only think keeping an individual from becoming moderately successful is the lack of motivation inside that individual. And guess what? That isn’t a quality specific to ANY race!

So instead of preaching about all the discrimination (real or imagined) how about talking about opportunity? Stop giving people an excuse for being mediocre and demand that they find the best within themselves, whatever that may be? Instead of being a “victim”, how about using some personal power and claiming the success that is your birthright as an American?

I see PX and DN on here crying the loudest, yet they are two very successful individuals by ANY standard, white or black (according to themselves)… PX is a dentist (somehow being black, he managed to get a dental degree, must have been a miracle or something… or wait, maybe he joined the military, saved his money, got an education and became successful) DN is a self proclaimed fetish industry millionaire… I thought that was impossible if you were black… Oh, wait, you mean you actually had an original idea, saw a niche that you could fill, found a profitable vehicle (the internet) to sell your idea and made a shit ton of money doing it? Are black people ALLOWED to do THAT?

Oh wait. They are.[/quote]

Amazing saga AC… Major props for sharing, and accomplishing all you have

THAT’S what I call sticking it to the MAN …

With AC’s post, it is game over. Fatality. Kill this thread.

[quote]Bauber wrote:
With AC’s post, it is game over. Fatality. Kill this thread.[/quote]
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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I always enjoyed the term honky. Though I thought cracker was funny because I thought of white, saltine, not “whip cracker.” Perhaps if I took the time to look up the true meaning of “honky” I’d feel a little worse about it. At this point, I just think of one of those big loud geese that fly over my house, or are at the lake when I go fishing.

Edit: When my Black friends used to tease me and call me cracker, I would always respond that’s not possible because I watch my sodium intake. They laughed their asses off (well, not off - they had ghetto booties and were proud of them, heh, but you get the point). So maybe they laughed because I didn’t know the meaning, or they didn’t either. Regardless, it was good times.[/quote]
Wait is that seriously what it means? I always thought it was about a saltine cracker as well lol.[/quote]

Yeah, i dont know if its true or not, but i always heard “cracker” refers to the crack of a whip. Like slave owners cracking whips at black slaves. [/quote]

No, cracker is a term for Irish. Blacks were sometimes referred to as a burnt crackers (black Irishman) while Irish were referred to as insideout niggers. However, with time the Irish learned to assimilate to American culture and generally stop being criminals.[/quote]

from wiki:
There are multiple explanations of the etymology of “cracker”, most dating its origin to the 18th century or earlier.

One theory holds that the term derives from the “cracking” of whips, either by slave foremen in the antebellum South against African slaves, or by rustics to guide their cattle.[3][4][5][6] Those white foremen or rural poor who cracked their whips theoretically became known as “crackers.”
A “cracker cowboy” with his Florida Cracker Horse and dog by Frederick Remington, 1895

Another whip-derived theory is based on Florida’s “cracker cowboys” of the 19th and early 20th centuries; distinct from the Spanish vaquero and the Western cowboy. Cracker cowboys did not use lassos to herd or capture cattle. Their primary tools were cow whips and dogs.[7][citation needed]

The term “cracker” was in use during Elizabethan times to describe braggarts. The original root of this is the Middle English word crack meaning “entertaining conversation” (One may be said to “crack” a joke; a witty remark is a “wisecrack”). This term and the Gaelic spelling “craic” are still in use in Ireland and Scotland. It is documented in Shakespeare’s King John (1595): “What cracker is this… that deafes our eares / With this abundance of superfluous breath?”

An alternative theory holds that the term comes from the common diet of poor whites. The 1911 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica supposes that the term derives from the cracked (kernels of) corn which formed the staple food of this class of people.[8]

from urban dictionary (always fun):
Originally the white slave driver because he would “crack” the whip, hence the noun cracker.

so yeah, the whip cracker is just as likely as irish etymology.

i had no idea till a history prof (white guy that essentially blamed every ill in the world from slavery to bad weather on white americans) made a comment about it. i too looked it up and confirmed it.

this is like the second time i have posted sources.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and since the pic was posted…look at them arms!!!

Hell yeah, motorcycle accident recovery and progress made.

After 36 pages, maybe some here should spend more time in the gym too.[/quote]

Yeah dude congrats! Youve managed to maintain a similar size as to when i started posting here in 2009! Woo![/quote]

LOL!

shit, didnt see ACs post before i blabbed. may bad.

/thread


Also just read AC’s post. Bravo man. That was inspirational.