Trayvon Martin Pt. 3.. The Legacy Pt. 2

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Csulli, yes that’s what it means. I think it was in one of these threads it actually came up/out. I then confirmed it via other Internet sources, I was shocked. As a result, I shall continue to assume it means saltine cracker, because its funnier… and I’ve never used a whip in my life (my girlfriend has though… bazinga!).

I tried to look up honky after posting that, but all came up was Urban Dictionary, which my company blocks. I would LOVE to read their definition, usually they are damned funny. Kudos if someone posts the meaning from that site.

Totenkopf, I would be interested in hearing if there are actually dangerous areas in Houston. I believe and trust there are, because I know the credibility and non-bias of the person I emailed. Hell, I know places I don’t like in Pittsburgh, and there are both White and Black people that live there (both equally unsurly) and I stay out. But I don’t think others want to discuss it, its a free forum (and country) though, feel free to offer your input ;).

And good show Chushin! I saw that on a more “professional” website for the definition. Which is ironic, because I doubt most of us are Hungarian, heh. That’s one of the few nationalities the “other 50%” of me isn’t, heh. Feel free to call me a Dirty Dago anytime, that’s about half of my heritage and I think its plain hilarious.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Speaking of names, if this would have first been reported locally as “Jorge Mesa” claims self defense in shooting of Trayvon Martin, would it really have become a huge national story? Would it really have been grown into a movement?

Here’s my reasoning behind asking this hypothetical. In the earliest accounts it’s an supposedly a white guy kills black controversy. George Zimmerman. Gets the national inertia going before people are familiar with Zimmerman, his face, and heritage. His father being white, and his mother the Peruvian immigrant. Only later did “white,” when it became difficult to maintain as people began to recognize photos, become “white-Hispanic.” Instead of multi-racial Hispanic…His mother having, I don’t know, some mestizo/Afro-Peruvian heritage. Probably not exact, but these terms seem to change depending on who you are and where you are.

But, as a hypothetical, had his father been the Peruvian immigrant, and his mother white, he could’ve realistically been Jorge Mesa. In fact, that is his uncle’s name (mother’s side).

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No it wouldn’t be a national controversy. As said all the time, and as derailed by every closet racist, the crime isn’t the issue. The response and reaction is. Plenty of hispanics would’ve either said that’s fucked up jorge should go to jail, or hell yeah he killed that ni**s. Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed then looking around like why are you calling us racist.
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Justifying? Justifying how our justice system works? [/quote]
Is there a need for a question mark? I clearly stated what they are justifying, then you make up your own justification. Again proving the point of racism because your trying to rationalize what I said by totally avoiding the issue. I’ll say it again.

“Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed”

Last I remember you weren’t on the jury. The same people screaming “OJ IS GUILTY!!!” are all of a sudden screaming “I trust the court systems got it right this time.” What all of a sudden they(you) are incapable of an opinion? All of a sudden you can’t speculate? I’ve heard two of Aaron Hernandez teammates siding with him, and they were heavily ridiculed. He hasn’t even went to court yet. Maybe he should rename himself Aaron Zimmerman.

That’s all it took was the reasonable possibility that Martin did that. Obviously we can’t be sure as there is not enough evidence, so if the court system is supposed to work then it played out like it is supposed to.

Someone told me while arguing about this in a barbershop, “I wish Martin was afforded the same rights as Zimmerman.”

All I could muster was, “You mean mobs of people wanting to lynch him, his family, friends, lawyers, &c. based off the perceived color of his skin?”[/quote]

No what they meant was the right to walk home without getting killed, but that went over your head right?

I guess all the mobs wanting to lynch him is worse then one guy actually killing him.

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Nice very short and to the point… What I think is being missed here is big picture vs small picture. GZ never identified who he was. From TMs stand point he didnt know who GZ was. TMs right to defend himeself went out the window once he became the winner of the altercation created by GZ’s actions. If someone was following me I’d likely react the same way at 17. Imagine someones stalking you its fight or flight and TM paid the price for his self defense.
Yes based on the law GM was defending himself in that 2 minute altercation but prior to that 2 minutes GM was responsible for creating that altercation by stalking TM. The jurrors have spoke and pretty much they were stuck with just judging that 2 minute part of the incident as it was the moment of impact. Why its so hard to see that TM feared GM was stalking him I dont get. A guy following we in the dark chasing me after I’ve done nothing wrong seems like a good reason to throw down or at least get the jump on my atacker. Black white purple or blue the reaction to someone chasing you would either be run or fight. Also lets not discount he viewed the world throgh a 17s yr olds eyes

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Fuck GZ he will get his one day no protective custody outside the walls…[/quote]
Aw hell yea I love me some vigilante justice. Are you pretty cool with murdering someone after they were pronounced innocent by the justice system? I figure after we knock off Zimmer we can ice OJ Simpson. Or is that different?[/quote]

Looks like OJ got what was comming to him from what I can tell he’s gaurding his brown eye 24/7. Same thing will probably happen to GZ Karmas a dirty bitch that way… How about Jordan Davis? black 17 yr old unarmed when shot and killed in FL. MIchael Dunn Claims self defense and no wepon found either… Just another black/brown kid buying snacks catching hot lead

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Speaking of names, if this would have first been reported locally as “Jorge Mesa” claims self defense in shooting of Trayvon Martin, would it really have become a huge national story? Would it really have been grown into a movement?

Here’s my reasoning behind asking this hypothetical. In the earliest accounts it’s an supposedly a white guy kills black controversy. George Zimmerman. Gets the national inertia going before people are familiar with Zimmerman, his face, and heritage. His father being white, and his mother the Peruvian immigrant. Only later did “white,” when it became difficult to maintain as people began to recognize photos, become “white-Hispanic.” Instead of multi-racial Hispanic…His mother having, I don’t know, some mestizo/Afro-Peruvian heritage. Probably not exact, but these terms seem to change depending on who you are and where you are.

But, as a hypothetical, had his father been the Peruvian immigrant, and his mother white, he could’ve realistically been Jorge Mesa. In fact, that is his uncle’s name (mother’s side).

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No it wouldn’t be a national controversy. As said all the time, and as derailed by every closet racist, the crime isn’t the issue. The response and reaction is. Plenty of hispanics would’ve either said that’s fucked up jorge should go to jail, or hell yeah he killed that ni**s. Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed then looking around like why are you calling us racist.
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Justifying? Justifying how our justice system works? [/quote]
Is there a need for a question mark? I clearly stated what they are justifying, then you make up your own justification. Again proving the point of racism because your trying to rationalize what I said by totally avoiding the issue. I’ll say it again.

“Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed”

Last I remember you weren’t on the jury. The same people screaming “OJ IS GUILTY!!!” are all of a sudden screaming “I trust the court systems got it right this time.” What all of a sudden they(you) are incapable of an opinion? All of a sudden you can’t speculate? I’ve heard two of Aaron Hernandez teammates siding with him, and they were heavily ridiculed. He hasn’t even went to court yet. Maybe he should rename himself Aaron Zimmerman.

That’s all it took was the reasonable possibility that Martin did that. Obviously we can’t be sure as there is not enough evidence, so if the court system is supposed to work then it played out like it is supposed to.

Someone told me while arguing about this in a barbershop, “I wish Martin was afforded the same rights as Zimmerman.”

All I could muster was, “You mean mobs of people wanting to lynch him, his family, friends, lawyers, &c. based off the perceived color of his skin?”[/quote]

No what they meant was the right to walk home without getting killed, but that went over your head right?

I guess all the mobs wanting to lynch him is worse then one guy actually killing him.

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Nice very short and to the point… What I think is being missed here is big picture vs small picture. GZ never identified who he was. From TMs stand point he didnt know who GZ was. TMs right to defend himeself went out the window once he became the winner of the altercation created by GZ’s actions. If someone was following me I’d likely react the same way at 17. Imagine someones stalking you its fight or flight and TM paid the price for his self defense.
Yes based on the law GM was defending himself in that 2 minute altercation but prior to that 2 minutes GM was responsible for creating that altercation by stalking TM. The jurrors have spoke and pretty much they were stuck with just judging that 2 minute part of the incident as it was the moment of impact. Why its so hard to see that TM feared GM was stalking him I dont get. A guy following we in the dark chasing me after I’ve done nothing wrong seems like a good reason to throw down or at least get the jump on my atacker. Black white purple or blue the reaction to someone chasing you would either be run or fight. Also lets not discount he viewed the world throgh a 17s yr olds eyes

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You people are retarded. There is more evidence that points to Martin initiating the altercation than there is that points to Zimmerman. The only way you can deny this is if you’re completely fucking ignorant or you have literally skipped every article and piece of FACTUAL information provided to back this up.

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In regards to the pages and pages about “white privilege” I think everyone should chill the fuck out. Its a term created by Sociologists to describe the advantage being white affords you over being a minority. I doesnt mean being born white is like being born royalty. Think of it like being born with a slight point advantage. Like how handicappers give out a point spread in a football game (real football not socar). These case studies have been shown over and over it exists. Discounting social science is like discounting any other science its just dumb. Like the world is flat or dinosours never lived.
Sociology isnt some liberal/Obama agenda to take your guns away or convert you to Islam its just another science like biology, chemistry, or biology… In 2013 do we really have to pretend theres no such thing as classism and racial bias in the judicial & socio economic construct in the USA Pretending or denying it exists is like denying AIDS exists just because you don?t have it or deal with it doesn?t mean its note there. For Christ sake we aren?t talking about Bigfoot or aliens here?

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

You people are retarded. There is more evidence that points to Martin initiating the altercation than there is that points to Zimmerman. The only way you can deny this is if you’re completely fucking ignorant or you have literally skipped every article and piece of FACTUAL information provided to back this up. [/quote]

Oh yeah You mean like GZ testimony as if it was passed down staright from Mt Sinai…

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

You people are retarded. There is more evidence that points to Martin initiating the altercation than there is that points to Zimmerman. The only way you can deny this is if you’re completely fucking ignorant or you have literally skipped every article and piece of FACTUAL information provided to back this up. [/quote]

Oh yeah You mean like GZ testimony as if it was passed down staright from Mt Sinai… [/quote]

And you think that the sequence of events in your head is 100% right, Who is the ridiculous one?

No one knows, hence the whole beyond a reasonable doubt part, or would you rather convict people of murder on a whim you fucking idiot.

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[quote]enigma666 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

You people are retarded. There is more evidence that points to Martin initiating the altercation than there is that points to Zimmerman. The only way you can deny this is if you’re completely fucking ignorant or you have literally skipped every article and piece of FACTUAL information provided to back this up. [/quote]

Oh yeah You mean like GZ testimony as if it was passed down staright from Mt Sinai… [/quote]

And you think that the sequence of events in your head is 100% right, Who is the ridiculous one?

No one knows, hence the whole beyond a reasonable doubt part, or would you rather convict people of murder on a whim you fucking idiot.

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No, just emotions, media bullshit, and the outcry of a bunch of clueless law ignorant morons.

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Wilkinsburg and Homewood are the two I actively avoid. Let me look at the other areas and I’ll get back to you if there are any more I can list. No idea what the demographic is percentage-wise but I would say primarily Black. Only because that’s what I’ve seen in the day time when I have driven through.

The gas station I stopped on my way to the zoo when I got lost didn’t seem bad, except for the shock of there being a glass window to separate the clerk/teller from customers. So may have been a bad area, it was just mid-day.

Anywho, I’ll get back to you on the rest. My father works with a large number of truck drivers who know what places to specifically avoid based on experience (both White and Black truck drivers by the way), so I’ll get his feedback also.

Edit: Here is a list I found online, I recognize some of the names, some I personally would not be concerned about, but there was some general consensus this is “good reference” list. Steel Nation is also of the 'burg he can probably comment more than I. I don’t go into the city much, just for big venue shows, I don’t go to clubs. I like the country myself. And not the entirety of these areas are bad, but small sections/streets/etc. So I again can’t comment, this is from another forum. Overall though, I’d say the 'burg isn’t as bad as many other large cities, people are generally pretty cool. I think the safest bet is just to say, “go pens,” or “go stillers” and you’ll be good to go no matter where you are. :stuck_out_tongue:

1.HOMEWOOD-BRUSTON
2.THE HILL
3.NORTHVIEW
4.MANCHESTER
5.MCKEESPORT
6.ST.CLAIR VILLAGE
7.BELTZHOOVER
8.HOODTOWN/CENTRALNORTSIDE
9.GARFIELD
10.HAZELWOOD
11.EASTHILLS
12.LARMIER
13.LINCOLN/LEMINGTON
14.WILKINBURG
15.SPRING HILL
16.DUQUENSE
17.ALIQUIPPA
18.BROADHEAD
19.GREENWAY
20.WESTGATE
21.ARLINGTON HEIGHTS
22.CLAIRTON
23.BRADOCK/RANKIN
24.McKEESROCKS/STO-ROCKS
25.ELLIOT

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34 pages of white folks insisting they aren’t racist. I wonder if there are forums for Asian men who drive muscle cars to brag about how they aren’t tiny downstairs.

So, from what I’ve gathered this fud-wit forum full of white peoplez concluded thar iz no such thinz as white priveylidge. Thankz for publishing ur findingz and clearing that up! It’s so hard being white, nobody understands your perilz. Like when you have to go to the violentz black neighborhoodz and talk to people through bulletproof glass to buy gasoline/petrol. They are obviously animals.

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Free speech is great and all but this IS a moderated forum who’s main purpose is to further BIOTESTS interests correct?
I don’t understand the apparent condolence of such blatant race baiting?
These are long past gal and are more fitting of the PWI forum.

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Why do you add a ‘z’ to everything?

And I think you’re trying to hard. If you want to claim white privilege, we have just as much right to claim minority privilege. Both “sides” have cited examples. Both of which are more than likely true, either in different areas of the country, or in different scenarios.

Just because we disagree with you, doesn’t make us racist. I think that’s the “joke” many people are making of this thread, because as soon as someone disagrees with the “Black oppression” they are labeled as racist.

And I didn’t buy gasoline, I stopped for directions. I also didn’t put the glass there. Where I live, we don’t need glass to separate the teller/clerk from the customer, so I am led to assume there is a reason, perhaps safety. Can you deduce otherwise? It certainly isn’t for aesthetics, or making communication easier.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Is there a need for a question mark? I clearly stated what they are justifying, then you make up your own justification. Again proving the point of racism because your trying to rationalize what I said by totally avoiding the issue. I’ll say it again.

“Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed”[/quote]

Yes, justified homocide. We agree. Sorry, I’m on clear liquid diet and things are dull sometimes.

No, but I watched every part of the case as I’ve been flat on my back during the entire case.

I don’t remember the OJ case. But, was there a reasonable possibility that OJ didn’t do the crime? If so, the system got it right.

I’ve not seen anything on the case so it would be dumb to make an opinion.

Convicted with less reasonable doubt? I would hope so. Why did Martin have to fight for his life? That doesn’t make sense.

I got it, I was being a smart ass. If Martin was just walking home he wouldn’t have been killed, but he attacked someone. Sorry, if you go around starting fights, eventually something might fight back.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Dark Ninjaa wrote:

Black people cannot enslave another group of people. THAT’S POWER. [/quote]

They sure can.

Blacks have been enslaving other ethnicities of black for centuries in Africa.

Where you get this silly notion that blacks are incapable of performing incredible acts of evil as a group towards other groups I will never understand.
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I bet DN honestly believes millions of slaves were acquired solely by white men just sailing over on their boats and snatching 'em from their beds, one at a time.

Not like Africans were enslaving and trading other Africans to whites for gun powder and B-stock armaments by the hundreds of thousands… No they’re incapable of such things.[/quote]

No need to go that far back.

Blacks are still enslaving each other to this present day.
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I’d point something out about those blacks…moslems.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Speaking of names, if this would have first been reported locally as “Jorge Mesa” claims self defense in shooting of Trayvon Martin, would it really have become a huge national story? Would it really have been grown into a movement?

Here’s my reasoning behind asking this hypothetical. In the earliest accounts it’s an supposedly a white guy kills black controversy. George Zimmerman. Gets the national inertia going before people are familiar with Zimmerman, his face, and heritage. His father being white, and his mother the Peruvian immigrant. Only later did “white,” when it became difficult to maintain as people began to recognize photos, become “white-Hispanic.” Instead of multi-racial Hispanic…His mother having, I don’t know, some mestizo/Afro-Peruvian heritage. Probably not exact, but these terms seem to change depending on who you are and where you are.

But, as a hypothetical, had his father been the Peruvian immigrant, and his mother white, he could’ve realistically been Jorge Mesa. In fact, that is his uncle’s name (mother’s side).

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No it wouldn’t be a national controversy. As said all the time, and as derailed by every closet racist, the crime isn’t the issue. The response and reaction is. Plenty of hispanics would’ve either said that’s fucked up jorge should go to jail, or hell yeah he killed that ni**s. Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed then looking around like why are you calling us racist.
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Justifying? Justifying how our justice system works? [/quote]
Is there a need for a question mark? I clearly stated what they are justifying, then you make up your own justification. Again proving the point of racism because your trying to rationalize what I said by totally avoiding the issue. I’ll say it again.

“Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed”

Last I remember you weren’t on the jury. The same people screaming “OJ IS GUILTY!!!” are all of a sudden screaming “I trust the court systems got it right this time.” What all of a sudden they(you) are incapable of an opinion? All of a sudden you can’t speculate? I’ve heard two of Aaron Hernandez teammates siding with him, and they were heavily ridiculed. He hasn’t even went to court yet. Maybe he should rename himself Aaron Zimmerman.

That’s all it took was the reasonable possibility that Martin did that. Obviously we can’t be sure as there is not enough evidence, so if the court system is supposed to work then it played out like it is supposed to.

Someone told me while arguing about this in a barbershop, “I wish Martin was afforded the same rights as Zimmerman.”

All I could muster was, “You mean mobs of people wanting to lynch him, his family, friends, lawyers, &c. based off the perceived color of his skin?”[/quote]

No what they meant was the right to walk home without getting killed, but that went over your head right?

I guess all the mobs wanting to lynch him is worse then one guy actually killing him.

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So, you have absolutely no idea about any facts of the case other than race huh?[/quote]

Let me guess

Zimmerman had just finished saving some 6 year old kids from falling off a swing.
Zimmerman was gleefully laughing as he drove around the shooting kids with a watergun.
Zimmerman saw a young teenager and thought he could save him ala Dangerous Minds
Zimmerman screamed out the car hey “Want to learn some math?”

Trayvon was a thug that took thug pictures.
Trayvon had a picture with a gun, so he was the one with the gun that night
Trayvon saw him driving and told him “Get the fuck out the car I want to fuck you up”
Trayvon being the super athlete caught up to his car after 2 blocks pointed the concrete at him

Everything after that is just speculation. You’re right race had nothing to do with it the kid deserved to die [/quote]

This is a level of discussion I’m not sure what to do with. I just have no clue what you’re talking about…at all.

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Interesting, although he’s clearly a racist.

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[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

There was only one white major slave trader in Africa. The rest were black. [/quote]

Really? I honestly didn’t know that, despite living in the first European country to engage in slave trading.

I guess I should’ve stayed in school instead of wasting time with my midnite rapins and robbins.

So, who was that white major slave trader, professor?
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Moslems brought slave trading to Portugal.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I always enjoyed the term honky. Though I thought cracker was funny because I thought of white, saltine, not “whip cracker.” Perhaps if I took the time to look up the true meaning of “honky” I’d feel a little worse about it. At this point, I just think of one of those big loud geese that fly over my house, or are at the lake when I go fishing.

Edit: When my Black friends used to tease me and call me cracker, I would always respond that’s not possible because I watch my sodium intake. They laughed their asses off (well, not off - they had ghetto booties and were proud of them, heh, but you get the point). So maybe they laughed because I didn’t know the meaning, or they didn’t either. Regardless, it was good times.[/quote]
Wait is that seriously what it means? I always thought it was about a saltine cracker as well lol.[/quote]

Yeah, i dont know if its true or not, but i always heard “cracker” refers to the crack of a whip. Like slave owners cracking whips at black slaves. [/quote]

No, cracker is a term for Irish. Blacks were sometimes referred to as a burnt crackers (black Irishman) while Irish were referred to as insideout niggers. However, with time the Irish learned to assimilate to American culture and generally stop being criminals.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Why do you add a ‘z’ to everything?

And I think you’re trying to hard. If you want to claim white privilege, we have just as much right to claim minority privilege. Both “sides” have cited examples. Both of which are more than likely true, either in different areas of the country, or in different scenarios.

Just because we disagree with you, doesn’t make us racist. I think that’s the “joke” many people are making of this thread, because as soon as someone disagrees with the “Black oppression” they are labeled as racist.

And I didn’t buy gasoline, I stopped for directions. I also didn’t put the glass there. Where I live, we don’t need glass to separate the teller/clerk from the customer, so I am led to assume there is a reason, perhaps safety. Can you deduce otherwise? It certainly isn’t for aesthetics, or making communication easier.[/quote]

It’s funny you talk about white privilege vs. minority privilege without talking about why your term, “Minority privilege.” Came about in the context of history. Do I really need to run this down for you?

The reason I use Z’s behind things is because I’m intentionally performing a moronic strawman to communicate my genuine lack of conviction and to hopefully communicate a bit of sarcasm.

Anyhow, post civil war (1861-1865), how do you think freed men were treated by their former masters? Yanks won the war, but the life of a black man was still less than that of an animal, and I’m not kidding around as there’s plenty of historical documentation to back my claim. Many former slave owners viewed Black people as less than livestock. If you spoke up, tried to leave in many cases you would just be killed on the spot to make an example in order to keep control over people via fear. The legacy of this lead to things like Jim Crow (1876-1965) laws, and it wasn’t until very recently that the Civil Rights movement took place.

Just because the Civil War was won by the Yanks, did that mean black slaves were really free’d men? Just because Jim Crow laws said there was separation but equality, was there really equality with separation? Just because the Civil rights Movement and Act took place, did that really fix segregation which, due to the countries history couldn’t be fixed because temporally, the damage had already been done. Infrastructurally minorities, especially blacks held crappy labor and housekeeping jobs… Guess what happened when they tried to get better jobs, regardless of how qualified they were? Well, that’s how things like equal opportunity programs came about at schools and universities, that’s how affirmative action came about… Because things don’t change instantly in society just because someone writes it on a piece of paper. It takes time…

The reason I use Z’s, also is because the whole argument against white privilege is freaking moronic, and to the highest degree. I’m not saying slavery is your fault, I’m saying you aren’t thinking about history or why these things come about in the first place. Do you know the significance of things like, Levittown? Famous Landmark Documentary On Racism In A United States Neighborhood / Video Film - YouTube

I don’t know… Maybe I should just grab a copy of the constitution and claim racism never existed in the states, since it says we all have the same inalienable rights right on that piece of paper. Racism must never have existed in the U.S. White Privilege never existed, because there was separate but equal Jim Crow laws.

And today, it’s not like people are discriminated against because of their accents… I’m not going to get passed up for a job, or a home because I have an accent over the phone am I? Never would ever happen would it…