Trayvon Martin Pt. 3.. The Legacy Pt. 2

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Black people cannot enslave another group of people. THAT’S POWER. [/quote]

They sure can.

Blacks have been enslaving other ethnicities of black for centuries in Africa.

Where you get this silly notion that blacks are incapable of performing incredible acts of evil as a group towards other groups I will never understand.
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I bet DN honestly believes millions of slaves were acquired solely by white men just sailing over on their boats and snatching 'em from their beds, one at a time.

Not like Africans were enslaving and trading other Africans to whites for gun powder and B-stock armaments by the hundreds of thousands… No they’re incapable of such things.[/quote]

There was only one white major slave trader in Africa. The rest were black. At the time of the Civil War there were 137 black slave owners in the US. In Niger, the practice of slavery was not outlawed until 2003, however a recent study found that 8% of the population are still slaves. [/quote]

I thought slavery was fully outlawed in 1981 by some other african country that i cant spell. Starts with an M.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Speaking of names, if this would have first been reported locally as “Jorge Mesa” claims self defense in shooting of Trayvon Martin, would it really have become a huge national story? Would it really have been grown into a movement?

Here’s my reasoning behind asking this hypothetical. In the earliest accounts it’s an supposedly a white guy kills black controversy. George Zimmerman. Gets the national inertia going before people are familiar with Zimmerman, his face, and heritage. His father being white, and his mother the Peruvian immigrant. Only later did “white,” when it became difficult to maintain as people began to recognize photos, become “white-Hispanic.” Instead of multi-racial Hispanic…His mother having, I don’t know, some mestizo/Afro-Peruvian heritage. Probably not exact, but these terms seem to change depending on who you are and where you are.

But, as a hypothetical, had his father been the Peruvian immigrant, and his mother white, he could’ve realistically been Jorge Mesa. In fact, that is his uncle’s name (mother’s side).

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No it wouldn’t be a national controversy. As said all the time, and as derailed by every closet racist, the crime isn’t the issue. The response and reaction is. Plenty of hispanics would’ve either said that’s fucked up jorge should go to jail, or hell yeah he killed that ni**s. Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed then looking around like why are you calling us racist.
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Justifying? Justifying how our justice system works? [/quote]
Is there a need for a question mark? I clearly stated what they are justifying, then you make up your own justification. Again proving the point of racism because your trying to rationalize what I said by totally avoiding the issue. I’ll say it again.

“Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed”

Last I remember you weren’t on the jury. The same people screaming “OJ IS GUILTY!!!” are all of a sudden screaming “I trust the court systems got it right this time.” What all of a sudden they(you) are incapable of an opinion? All of a sudden you can’t speculate? I’ve heard two of Aaron Hernandez teammates siding with him, and they were heavily ridiculed. He hasn’t even went to court yet. Maybe he should rename himself Aaron Zimmerman.

That’s all it took was the reasonable possibility that Martin did that. Obviously we can’t be sure as there is not enough evidence, so if the court system is supposed to work then it played out like it is supposed to.

Someone told me while arguing about this in a barbershop, “I wish Martin was afforded the same rights as Zimmerman.”

All I could muster was, “You mean mobs of people wanting to lynch him, his family, friends, lawyers, &c. based off the perceived color of his skin?”[/quote]

No what they meant was the right to walk home without getting killed, but that went over your head right?

I guess all the mobs wanting to lynch him is worse then one guy actually killing him.

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So, you have absolutely no idea about any facts of the case other than race huh?[/quote]

Let me guess

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You don’t have to guess…this lays it all out chronologically.

http://www.dlas.org/...merman-verdict/ [/quote]

No doubt this will be skipped over for a 3rd time now, since basically no sane person could make an argument against it.

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I haven’t been very involved in this discussion/argument because I realize that I can only base my opinions on what I personally have seen, learned about from friends and reported data, and as a white man, I realize that I can never pretend to fully know “what it’s like” to be anything else. When these last few threads revolved around the actual Zimmerman verdict, I felt that I could offer something as no matter how everyone is entitled to their own opinions, no one is entitled to their own facts (forgot who initially said that), and as I watched the entire judicial process play out, often in the company of a few good friends (all Attorneys who grew up in very racially diverse areas), I felt that I had a solid grasp of why the jury found the way they did. Unfortunately it’s such a sensitive topic that many people either do not wish to listen to the facts, or seek out “facts” online from sources that strangely seem to know more than the actual prosecutors did (funny that).

In regard to a few positions that I have seen people take, or comments made over racial issues in this day and age, I figured I’d share this video I happened to come upon. Now I’m certainly not one of those people who loves talking politics or always needs someone to blame for every issue in this country, but I definitely felt that there was some good stuff in here that maybe some posters can relate to. (not me though, I’m not smart enough -lol)

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=84&load=8692

It’s not very long, under 10 mins, but pay attention to after the 9:00 mark. This reminded me of the back and forth over “thug” culture and the need to identify oneself with what many might consider a negative association.

“and when blacks stop making excuses for each other…then they’ll stop thinking that everybody’s profiling them. Oh, but I forgot, to do that would be selling out. You feel that all of America should just accept you and trust you no matter how you act, or what image you project, and that’s a sad, selfish and childish position to hold on to”

S

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
The only minority juror in the TM case is talking on nightline tonight on abc [/quote]

“You can’t put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty,” she told ABC’s Robin Roberts in an interview due to be aired on Friday morning. “But we had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence,” the woman said.
[Juror B29]

I don’t think anyone has ever really argued that Zimmerman DID in fact shoot Martin. Heck, as soon as the first officer showed up, he acknowledged what he had done. The issue was always if it was warranted given the circumstances. NOT stand your ground. NOT racial profiling. Simple Self Defense. With this in mind, and as the prosecution must have known was that it’s hard to argue that when there’s an eyewitness who saw repeated, unanswered blows rained down on someone as he lay pinned to the ground. Does everyone agree that it was a pointless death, and feel horrible that anyone lost their life? No doubt. Does all the evidence support that it was viewed by the defense as the only option lest he “die tonight”? The jury evidently thought so.

S

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
The only minority juror in the TM case is talking on nightline tonight on abc [/quote]

“You can’t put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty,” she told ABC’s Robin Roberts in an interview due to be aired on Friday morning. “But we had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence,” the woman said.
[Juror B29]

I don’t think anyone has ever really argued that Zimmerman DID in fact shoot Martin. Heck, as soon as the first officer showed up, he acknowledged what he had done. The issue was always if it was warranted given the circumstances. NOT stand your ground. NOT racial profiling. Simple Self Defense. With this in mind, and as the prosecution must have known was that it’s hard to argue that when there’s an eyewitness who saw repeated, unanswered blows rained down on someone as he lay pinned to the ground. Does everyone agree that it was a pointless death, and feel horrible that anyone lost their life? No doubt. Does all the evidence support that it was viewed by the defense as the only option lest he “die tonight”? The jury evidently thought so.

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Well said stu.

I’m glad they were able to put their emotions aside. That is the whole point of law rules and the justice system. Remove emotions and go by the facts

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Well said stu.

I’m glad they were able to put their emotions aside. That is the whole point of law rules and the justice system. Remove emotions and go by the facts[/quote]

That’s what a lot of people seem to be overlooking. I thought this bit from MSN’s write up was interesting too:

On the second day of deliberations she realized there was not enough proof to convict Zimmerman of murder or manslaughter under Florida law, she said.

When asked by Roberts whether the case should have gone to trial, the juror said, “I don’t think so.” She added, “I felt like this was a publicity stunt.”

S

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I haven’t been very involved in this discussion/argument because I realize that I can only base my opinions on what I personally have seen, learned about from friends and reported data, and as a white man, I realize that I can never pretend to fully know “what it’s like” to be anything else. When these last few threads revolved around the actual Zimmerman verdict, I felt that I could offer something as no matter how everyone is entitled to their own opinions, no one is entitled to their own facts (forgot who initially said that), and as I watched the entire judicial process play out, often in the company of a few good friends (all Attorneys who grew up in very racially diverse areas), I felt that I had a solid grasp of why the jury found the way they did. Unfortunately it’s such a sensitive topic that many people either do not wish to listen to the facts, or seek out “facts” online from sources that strangely seem to know more than the actual prosecutors did (funny that).

In regard to a few positions that I have seen people take, or comments made over racial issues in this day and age, I figured I’d share this video I happened to come upon. Now I’m certainly not one of those people who loves talking politics or always needs someone to blame for every issue in this country, but I definitely felt that there was some good stuff in here that maybe some posters can relate to. (not me though, I’m not smart enough -lol)

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=84&load=8692

It’s not very long, under 10 mins, but pay attention to after the 9:00 mark. This reminded me of the back and forth over “thug” culture and the need to identify oneself with what many might consider a negative association.

“and when blacks stop making excuses for each other…then they’ll stop thinking that everybody’s profiling them. Oh, but I forgot, to do that would be selling out. You feel that all of America should just accept you and trust you no matter how you act, or what image you project, and that’s a sad, selfish and childish position to hold on to”

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Never heard of this Zo guy, but I agree with a lot he said in that clip. A good point he made, that one things liberal blacks seem to hate more than conservatives are black conservatives. I remember (not sure the name) a black actress that came out and said she was voting for Romney and was called a “house nigger” and “oreo.” Black Republicans Allen West and Herman Cain are widely called “oreos”. I just don’t understand that.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Never heard of this Zo guy, [/quote]

I think Zo goes off the tracks now and again, but we all do. He has a less dry and more direct humor than a lot of the people at PJTV.

His video’s are worth the listen. Bill Whittle too.

Allen West was doing some work with PJTV as well.

They are compiling a pretty damn good team of people over there. A whole lot of sarcasm though.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Never heard of this Zo guy, [/quote]

I think Zo goes off the tracks now and again, but we all do. He has a less dry and more direct humor than a lot of the people at PJTV.

His video’s are worth the listen. Bill Whittle too.

Allen West was doing some work with PJTV as well.

They are compiling a pretty damn good team of people over there. A whole lot of sarcasm though. [/quote]

I’d fit right in sarcasm is a first language for me

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

There was only one white major slave trader in Africa. The rest were black. [/quote]

Really? I honestly didn’t know that, despite living in the first European country to engage in slave trading.

I guess I should’ve stayed in school instead of wasting time with my midnite rapins and robbins.

So, who was that white major slave trader, professor?

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So I specifically asked someone who lived in Houston about Houston, because X complained people don’t know the area, and it was ignored. What a waste of time.

White privilege:

  1. You can’t apply for “White only” scholarships/loans.
  2. There aren’t “your company must have x% White people” working for you.
  3. The President doesn’t tell Black people they need to soul-search and we need ways to bolster the White male.
  4. The President doesn’t associate (meaning in placing himself in “our shoes”) with White people, even though he’s half White.
  5. Black people can buy a home any where they like, if the can afford it, just like White people.
  6. Obama isn’t trying to relocate White people and assist that with government funding to give them “better opportunities for nice communities.”
  7. Black people can get a job working or any company, if qualified, just like White people. In fact, if a White person and Black person apply for the same job, often the minority is chosen to “fit the bill” for their diversity requirements.
  8. If there are layoffs, White people go first because they are the majority and it could be discrimination.
  9. HR offices have to be careful about reprimanding any minority because it could be construed as racism.
  10. Schools have to be delicate about any minority feelings for the same reason as HR.
  11. Black people have their own television station - I’m still waiting for WET (although it sounds like an adult channel).
  12. There are organizations specifically for “colored” people.
  13. You have an entire month set aside for recognizing Black history - don’t have one for White/Hispanic/Asian.
  14. Black people can openly slur other nationalities, including Whites, without repercussion or openly being called racist.
  15. Black people can commit crimes and it isn’t construed as a hate crime, when instantly any White against Black is.

I could list more but I don’t really feel like investing more time. A LOT of people invested a lot of time and resources into trying to recognize and bolster the Black population. And I’m willing to bet my paycheck, all that funding didn’t come from Black people alone.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
So I specifically asked someone who lived in Houston about Houston, because X complained people don’t know the area, and it was ignored. What a waste of time.

White privilege:

  1. You can’t apply for “White only” scholarships/loans.
  2. There aren’t “your company must have x% White people” working for you.
  3. The President doesn’t tell Black people they need to soul-search and we need ways to bolster the White male.
  4. The President doesn’t associate (meaning in placing himself in “our shoes”) with White people, even though he’s half White.
  5. Black people can buy a home any where they like, if the can afford it, just like White people.
  6. Obama isn’t trying to relocate White people and assist that with government funding to give them “better opportunities for nice communities.”
  7. Black people can get a job working or any company, if qualified, just like White people. In fact, if a White person and Black person apply for the same job, often the minority is chosen to “fit the bill” for their diversity requirements.
  8. If there are layoffs, White people go first because they are the majority and it could be discrimination.
  9. HR offices have to be careful about reprimanding any minority because it could be construed as racism.
  10. Schools have to be delicate about any minority feelings for the same reason as HR.
  11. Black people have their own television station - I’m still waiting for WET (although it sounds like an adult channel).
  12. There are organizations specifically for “colored” people.
  13. You have an entire month set aside for recognizing Black history - don’t have one for White/Hispanic/Asian.
  14. Black people can openly slur other nationalities, including Whites, without repercussion or openly being called racist.
  15. Black people can commit crimes and it isn’t construed as a hate crime, when instantly any White against Black is.

I could list more but I don’t really feel like investing more time. A LOT of people invested a lot of time and resources into trying to recognize and bolster the Black population. And I’m willing to bet my paycheck, all that funding didn’t come from Black people alone.
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You dont understand, honky

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I always enjoyed the term honky. Though I thought cracker was funny because I thought of white, saltine, not “whip cracker.” Perhaps if I took the time to look up the true meaning of “honky” I’d feel a little worse about it. At this point, I just think of one of those big loud geese that fly over my house, or are at the lake when I go fishing.

Edit: When my Black friends used to tease me and call me cracker, I would always respond that’s not possible because I watch my sodium intake. They laughed their asses off (well, not off - they had ghetto booties and were proud of them, heh, but you get the point). So maybe they laughed because I didn’t know the meaning, or they didn’t either. Regardless, it was good times.

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Pro-black racists and socially obsessed white liberal idiots almost sent a blatantly innocent man to prison for the rest of his life, and probably ruined the rest of his life anyway. There are individual exceptions, but I’ve never had less respect blacks in general.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Dark Ninjaa wrote:

Black people cannot enslave another group of people. THAT’S POWER. [/quote]

They sure can.

Blacks have been enslaving other ethnicities of black for centuries in Africa.

Where you get this silly notion that blacks are incapable of performing incredible acts of evil as a group towards other groups I will never understand.
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Totally agree. DN’s statement on the issue is perhaps the single most ignorant thing I have read on this site. And I’ve read a lot of ignorant shit from other posters, most of it also coming from DN.

What do you think a pimp is? A pimp is someone who literally forces women into or keeps them locked into sexual slavery. And yet, almost all hip-hop artists out there, and many areas of “black” culture in general, hold up being a pimp as something “cool”. The fact is that no racial demographic in this country glorifies slavery more than blacks do, which is beyond ironic and why no one who is black and tries to play the racism card as hard and fast as DN does has ANY credibility.

Shit, for someone who is allegedly as into the dominatrix scene as DN claims to be it sure does have a finely-honed sense of victimization. What a racist fucking fraud DN is.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
So I specifically asked someone who lived in Houston about Houston, because X complained people don’t know the area, and it was ignored. What a waste of time.
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Actually, I live in Houston. Northwest Houston to be exact. I can tell you what you’d like to know. Unfortunately, im the wrong person to ask about White-Black experience/relations. Im neither. Im part of the invisible minority group that quietly watches as other races tear each other apart. I can speak on that point of view however, lol.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I always enjoyed the term honky. Though I thought cracker was funny because I thought of white, saltine, not “whip cracker.” Perhaps if I took the time to look up the true meaning of “honky” I’d feel a little worse about it. At this point, I just think of one of those big loud geese that fly over my house, or are at the lake when I go fishing.

Edit: When my Black friends used to tease me and call me cracker, I would always respond that’s not possible because I watch my sodium intake. They laughed their asses off (well, not off - they had ghetto booties and were proud of them, heh, but you get the point). So maybe they laughed because I didn’t know the meaning, or they didn’t either. Regardless, it was good times.[/quote]

Wait is that seriously what it means? I always thought it was about a saltine cracker as well lol.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I always enjoyed the term honky. Though I thought cracker was funny because I thought of white, saltine, not “whip cracker.” Perhaps if I took the time to look up the true meaning of “honky” I’d feel a little worse about it. At this point, I just think of one of those big loud geese that fly over my house, or are at the lake when I go fishing.

Edit: When my Black friends used to tease me and call me cracker, I would always respond that’s not possible because I watch my sodium intake. They laughed their asses off (well, not off - they had ghetto booties and were proud of them, heh, but you get the point). So maybe they laughed because I didn’t know the meaning, or they didn’t either. Regardless, it was good times.[/quote]
Wait is that seriously what it means? I always thought it was about a saltine cracker as well lol.[/quote]

Yeah, i dont know if its true or not, but i always heard “cracker” refers to the crack of a whip. Like slave owners cracking whips at black slaves.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I haven’t been very involved in this discussion/argument because I realize that I can only base my opinions on what I personally have seen, learned about from friends and reported data, and as a white man, I realize that I can never pretend to fully know “what it’s like” to be anything else. When these last few threads revolved around the actual Zimmerman verdict, I felt that I could offer something as no matter how everyone is entitled to their own opinions, no one is entitled to their own facts (forgot who initially said that), and as I watched the entire judicial process play out, often in the company of a few good friends (all Attorneys who grew up in very racially diverse areas), I felt that I had a solid grasp of why the jury found the way they did. Unfortunately it’s such a sensitive topic that many people either do not wish to listen to the facts, or seek out “facts” online from sources that strangely seem to know more than the actual prosecutors did (funny that).

In regard to a few positions that I have seen people take, or comments made over racial issues in this day and age, I figured I’d share this video I happened to come upon. Now I’m certainly not one of those people who loves talking politics or always needs someone to blame for every issue in this country, but I definitely felt that there was some good stuff in here that maybe some posters can relate to. (not me though, I’m not smart enough -lol)

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=84&load=8692

It’s not very long, under 10 mins, but pay attention to after the 9:00 mark. This reminded me of the back and forth over “thug” culture and the need to identify oneself with what many might consider a negative association.

“and when blacks stop making excuses for each other…then they’ll stop thinking that everybody’s profiling them. Oh, but I forgot, to do that would be selling out. You feel that all of America should just accept you and trust you no matter how you act, or what image you project, and that’s a sad, selfish and childish position to hold on to”

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He made a good point about opposing views and being called a sellout. Remember what happened to Stacey Dash when she voiced her support for Romney?