Trayvon Martin Pt. 3.. The Legacy Pt. 2

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Speaking of names, if this would have first been reported locally as “Jorge Mesa” claims self defense in shooting of Trayvon Martin, would it really have become a huge national story? Would it really have been grown into a movement?

Here’s my reasoning behind asking this hypothetical. In the earliest accounts it’s an supposedly a white guy kills black controversy. George Zimmerman. Gets the national inertia going before people are familiar with Zimmerman, his face, and heritage. His father being white, and his mother the Peruvian immigrant. Only later did “white,” when it became difficult to maintain as people began to recognize photos, become “white-Hispanic.” Instead of multi-racial Hispanic…His mother having, I don’t know, some mestizo/Afro-Peruvian heritage. Probably not exact, but these terms seem to change depending on who you are and where you are.

But, as a hypothetical, had his father been the Peruvian immigrant, and his mother white, he could’ve realistically been Jorge Mesa. In fact, that is his uncle’s name (mother’s side).

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No it wouldn’t be a national controversy. As said all the time, and as derailed by every closet racist, the crime isn’t the issue. The response and reaction is. Plenty of hispanics would’ve either said that’s fucked up jorge should go to jail, or hell yeah he killed that ni**s. Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed then looking around like why are you calling us racist.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Serious post regarding the “ethnic name”:
A good friend of mine worked as a teacher and now is in an administration role for inner city Los Angeles schools.
He was telling me just a few of the names of kids that he taught:
Money B Greene
Lemonjelllo & Orangejello (twins. I kid you not)
La-a (pronounced “ladasha”)

How in the hell do you expect to be taken seriously with names like that?
Seriously?[/quote]

Lol.

But I’m so sure that MoxiecrimeFighter, Pilot Inspektor, MoonUnit, Apple, AudioScience, Blackjack, Speckwildhorse, Tu morrow (tomorrow), Pirate and Satchel will all be taken seriously.
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Those are really stupid names also. And just consider some of the people who did that to their poor children, not exactly the most in touch with reality bunch of individuals.[/quote]

Satchel Paige is in the argument for GOAT when it comes to pitchers. Shameful he wasn’t allowed to dominate in MLB until the tail end of his career. But there is no doubt the dude was a once in a lifetime talent.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Serious post regarding the “ethnic name”:
A good friend of mine worked as a teacher and now is in an administration role for inner city Los Angeles schools.
He was telling me just a few of the names of kids that he taught:
Money B Greene
Lemonjelllo & Orangejello (twins. I kid you not)
La-a (pronounced “ladasha”)

How in the hell do you expect to be taken seriously with names like that?
Seriously?[/quote]

Lol.

But I’m so sure that MoxiecrimeFighter, Pilot Inspektor, MoonUnit, Apple, AudioScience, Blackjack, Speckwildhorse, Tu morrow (tomorrow), Pirate and Satchel will all be taken seriously.
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Those are really stupid names also. And just consider some of the people who did that to their poor children, not exactly the most in touch with reality bunch of individuals.[/quote]

Satchel Paige is in the argument for GOAT when it comes to pitchers. Shameful he wasn’t allowed to dominate in MLB until the tail end of his career. But there is no doubt the dude was a once in a lifetime talent. [/quote]
I didn’t really make it that far in the list. The first row was enough, however, Satchel Paige was actually Leroy Robert Paige. Satchel was his nickname.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Myosin wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Serious post regarding the “ethnic name”:
A good friend of mine worked as a teacher and now is in an administration role for inner city Los Angeles schools.
He was telling me just a few of the names of kids that he taught:
Money B Greene
Lemonjelllo & Orangejello (twins. I kid you not)
La-a (pronounced “ladasha”)

How in the hell do you expect to be taken seriously with names like that?
Seriously?[/quote]

sigh[/quote]

You tell’ em.
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Did either of you read “FACT #3” where it said that these names are actually real?

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[quote]Severiano wrote:
This is very interesting. We even have folks on these boards denying such a thing as white privilege exists in 'Merica!
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Denying it because you haven’t proved it. White Privilege is code for you saying white people are better than you. We say we’re not, you continue to say we are. It’s not offensive exactly, the reason it is offensive is because it is wrong. White people aren’t inherently better than other races. I’m sorry, we just aren’t.

He was actually half black-Peruvian.

Also, sinze Zimmerman was black, and if Martin was White, it would have been more black on white violenze!

Zimmerman does not identify as black, he identifies as hispanic, specifically black-Peruvian. That is why he mentored black children, housed black children, dated black women, and stood up for the civil rights of black community members.

The call the cops wasn’t because of his skin color, but because of how he looked (i.e. clothes, demeanor, behavior). Zimmerman clearly said he looked high or something, looked like he was snooping. The only one that brought up color was dispatch asking what color was the boys skin.

Saying Zimmerman called the police because Martin was black is speculation as no evidence shows that to be the case.

We deny white privilege because we deny that white people are inherently better than other races. You don’t have proof that is the truth, and that I’m aware of no one does.

Put me on any national/international news station and I’ll deny white supremacy/white privilege all day. It is an inherently false premise, factually and evidentially unprovable.

So, you admit that you’d beat someone up for what they are wearing, but it is not okay for Zimmerman to call the police for someone who is acting like a burglar?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Speaking of names, if this would have first been reported locally as “Jorge Mesa” claims self defense in shooting of Trayvon Martin, would it really have become a huge national story? Would it really have been grown into a movement?

Here’s my reasoning behind asking this hypothetical. In the earliest accounts it’s an supposedly a white guy kills black controversy. George Zimmerman. Gets the national inertia going before people are familiar with Zimmerman, his face, and heritage. His father being white, and his mother the Peruvian immigrant. Only later did “white,” when it became difficult to maintain as people began to recognize photos, become “white-Hispanic.” Instead of multi-racial Hispanic…His mother having, I don’t know, some mestizo/Afro-Peruvian heritage. Probably not exact, but these terms seem to change depending on who you are and where you are.

But, as a hypothetical, had his father been the Peruvian immigrant, and his mother white, he could’ve realistically been Jorge Mesa. In fact, that is his uncle’s name (mother’s side).

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I 100% do not believe that this would have blown up into this huge movement were that the case.

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[quote]b89 wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Black people cannot enslave another group of people. THAT’S POWER. Blakc people don’t make laws. Black people don’t make the governmental structure. They don’t own their our own police force. And they don’t control their own votes.
Black people can’t keep whites out of a job by the millions. That’s power. Black people can’t influence another group of people to the point where that group hates whites and thinks negatively of them. Black people can’t make weapons of mass destruction.
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In a nation where black people are the majority, particularly African nations, all that happens or has happened. Does that mean it’s unique to White America or that power structures are universal?
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Prepare yourself for the “it’s the colonial powers fault that Africa is in such trouble”

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

Lol
Hence why I asked you, ‘how many like him out there’? How many black men like him out of, say a million?[/quote]

Don’t know, I don’t know a million people. I don’t know which “out there” you mean… I’m not about to start making generalizations about the entirety of the population of America based on a small section of a small state in the North East.

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Are you saying ‘‘no’’, to a black woman being considered first over a white woman, if grades were the single most important factor? [/quote]

I’m saying: If grades were the single more important factor, which they likely never will be for an upper level position, no, the black woman will not be over looked if her grades are higher, particularly if they are Ivy League.

insert Kanye West gif of approval here

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

Well beans sorry I cant remember everything from when I was 6yrs old I wasnt taking notes but here are some facts a can remember. My dad a university proffesor at Berry college led a activist rally to protest the KKK’s yearly March the city couldnt give a shit less about the threats he was getting. And when the Klan came to down they made a nice example of my dad by burning a nice big cross in our front yard.

I quess since he wasnt nailed to its just freedom of speach. If you think the south is so nice take a family trip to some of the small towns and enjoy the local fare. Maybe it will help broaden your horizons maybe check out Forseyth GA real fun place. I’d just as soon forget about Rome GA and the racist turds that infest that land. Hopefully more time goes by and the intolerant, ignant, backwoods, mothbreathers can just die off.
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Not all white people agree with the KKK. Not all southern people do either.

I asked, specifically for these schools to learn something. Do you have names or are you making up stories?[/quote]

I deal with a couple local Klan chapters in Missouri frequently. They are often out passing out flyers, protesting, doing parades, in public, &c. I also know several of the members personally (small town), all those guys are Democrats. They are pretty good about hiding their racist views when they have the hoods down, all of them are liberal/socialist/communist.

This crap about liberals/democrats being all accepting and all about equality crap is annoying. [/quote]

Not sure anyone mentioned democrats anywhere but ok… You should recomend your buddies come up here to the East Side of Kansas city and do one of their white linen partys. [/quote]

Not my buddies. Because these are the same people that are agitating race tensions, they just are a different color. Same agenda, different color skin.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

  1. Recognizing you have white privilege is part of the fight against racism. I know I have white privilege, and that definitely impacts how I relate to the world and it shapes the kinds of relationships I cultivate. When you understand your own white privilege, you’ll be better equipped to see and understand systemic discrimination and inequality. TC mark[/quote]

I didn’t know you were white?

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
however, Satchel Paige was actually Leroy Robert Paige. Satchel was his nickname.[/quote]

Oh, my mistake.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

  1. Recognizing you have white privilege is part of the fight against racism. I know I have white privilege, and that definitely impacts how I relate to the world and it shapes the kinds of relationships I cultivate. When you understand your own white privilege, you’ll be better equipped to see and understand systemic discrimination and inequality. TC mark[/quote]

I didn’t know you were white?[/quote]

It’s not, it just copied and pasted that blog post from somewhere else.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Hell, fucking yeah.

Black people cannot enslave another group of people. THAT’S POWER. Blakc people don’t make laws. Black people don’t make the governmental structure. They don’t own their our own police force. And they don’t control their own votes.
Black people can’t keep whites out of a job by the millions. That’s power. Black people can’t influence another group of people to the point where that group hates whites and thinks negatively of them. Black people can’t make weapons of mass destruction.
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Obama.[/quote]

White Privilege.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
THAT’S POWER. Blakc people don’t make laws. Black people don’t make the governmental structure. They don’t own their our own police force. And they don’t control their own votes.
Black people can’t keep whites out of a job by the millions. That’s power. Black people can’t influence another group of people to the point where that group hates whites and thinks negatively of them. Black people can’t make weapons of mass destruction.
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Obama.[/quote]
Clarence Thomas[/quote]
Colin Powell - 5 star general and commander of the US Army Forces Command AND chairman of the joint cheifs of staff.
That’s not having your own police force but commanding your own army is slight better.[/quote]
“Black people can’t influence another group of people to the point where that group hates whites and thinks negatively of them.”
Al Sharpton
Jesse Jackson [/quote]
Malcom X prior to his conversion from Nation of Islam to Sunni.[/quote]
Donna Brazile - Vice Chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee
Pretty powerful black woman, but of course she doesn’t contribute to making any laws.[/quote]
Condoleezza Rice - Secretary of State
No power, no law making influence.[/quote]

She had no power because she was a woman, not because she was black.

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[quote]Dark Ninjaa wrote:

Black people cannot enslave another group of people. THAT’S POWER. [/quote]

They sure can.

Blacks have been enslaving other ethnicities of black for centuries in Africa.

Where you get this silly notion that blacks are incapable of performing incredible acts of evil as a group towards other groups I will never understand.

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Where was the uproar?

http://www.wbaltv.com/Police-Bowel-Accident-Leads-To-Fatal-Beating/-/9380084/11031708/-/vlaj0d/-/index.html

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
however, Satchel Paige was actually Leroy Robert Paige. Satchel was his nickname.[/quote]

Oh, my mistake. [/quote]

But cultural icons like that, do make names more acceptable seems like. And don’t think I am that smart, I had to google it just because I was curious if that was his real name. Got his nickname because before he played baseball he was a bag porter at a train station.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

There’s no point arguing with someone who clearly believes that the fact a president’s bills are mostly blocked by the right wings cunts has nothing to do with the colour of his skin.

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this is fucking hilarious

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Speaking of names, if this would have first been reported locally as “Jorge Mesa” claims self defense in shooting of Trayvon Martin, would it really have become a huge national story? Would it really have been grown into a movement?

Here’s my reasoning behind asking this hypothetical. In the earliest accounts it’s an supposedly a white guy kills black controversy. George Zimmerman. Gets the national inertia going before people are familiar with Zimmerman, his face, and heritage. His father being white, and his mother the Peruvian immigrant. Only later did “white,” when it became difficult to maintain as people began to recognize photos, become “white-Hispanic.” Instead of multi-racial Hispanic…His mother having, I don’t know, some mestizo/Afro-Peruvian heritage. Probably not exact, but these terms seem to change depending on who you are and where you are.

But, as a hypothetical, had his father been the Peruvian immigrant, and his mother white, he could’ve realistically been Jorge Mesa. In fact, that is his uncle’s name (mother’s side).

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No it wouldn’t be a national controversy. As said all the time, and as derailed by every closet racist, the crime isn’t the issue. The response and reaction is. Plenty of hispanics would’ve either said that’s fucked up jorge should go to jail, or hell yeah he killed that ni**s. Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed then looking around like why are you calling us racist.
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Justifying? Justifying how our justice system works? There is reasonable possibility that Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman acted in self defense, a court can’t convict with that.

That’s all it took was the reasonable possibility that Martin did that. Obviously we can’t be sure as there is not enough evidence, so if the court system is supposed to work then it played out like it is supposed to.

Someone told me while arguing about this in a barbershop, “I wish Martin was afforded the same rights as Zimmerman.”

All I could muster was, “You mean mobs of people wanting to lynch him, his family, friends, lawyers, &c. based off the perceived color of his skin?”

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Where was the uproar?

http://www.wbaltv.com/Police-Bowel-Accident-Leads-To-Fatal-Beating/-/9380084/11031708/-/vlaj0d/-/index.html

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What is your point?
Did the police let him go?
Is there a large segment of your population who say the guy is innocent and was just trying to discipline the child?

Are there tons of idiots asking the guys prosecutor why he isn’t trying to prosecute another case instead of that one?

Do you feel justice won’t be served?