Just a heads up…but the fact that you can see that same style 20 years ago…means people using that as a “thug label” today have to be at least 2 whole decades out of date to an entire culture.
Wow.
Mind blowing that can even happen today.
It wasn’t even that big of a trend when he was doing it. Now, it defines a culture and lifestyle for some people.[/quote]
Thats because when he was doing it mainly “thugz” were doing it.
Hence the perception that came along with it once it started “trending.”
Of course this has all been stated near-countless times before.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
dear Lord, this is a little frustrating.
It would be like saying kids today are wearing skinny jeans because of Elvis.
[/quote]
I think the pics I posted prior to this say different.
Fine, it was a little tiny part of my original post anyway.
You brought work force up.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes, we are much better off, but the same people who literally paint broad strokes and label every young black man dressed a certain way as a criminal will soon be hitting the work force also. Do you really think these biases have no effects n a grand scale that are still socially significant?[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
thug
/THug/
Noun
A violent person, esp. a criminal.
Hmmmm.
[quote]
Who is doing this?? PLEASE quote where someone said black men with sagging pants are criminals.[/quote]
Uh, no need to quote EVERYONE who called them thugs.[/quote]
Read Fischers re-quotes please. No one said wearing sagging pants is criminal behavior in and of itself. All that was said was that someone walking down the street with their WHOLE ASS hanging out and holding their crotch to keep their pants from dropping to their ankles would be PERCIEVED as a thug and is dressing that way because they WANT that perception. Is that criminal? Does that in and of itself MAKE someone a thug or drug dealer? No and no. All that was said was that the person walking around like that was MORE LIKELY to be profiled that way over someone in a suit.
And just to add, no one said BLACK people with sagging pants other than you. I (and others) just described the dress with no mention of skin color. I know and have seen plenty of white people that dress like that and they are perceived the same way.
PX, what part of the Black Community is all over the news right now? In Houston what was chanted by the organizers of the Anti-Zimmerman rally on 288? This is the face of the black community. I have not seen you once on this thread denounce what they are doing.[/quote]
I don’t watch tv so why would I need to denounce what I am not even aware of and what we are NOT discussing?
I know that, and I have seen you wrestling with a lot of people on here. I am not a bad guy, and I still want to sit down and have a drink with you. I can meet anywhere you want. I’m near downtown so will drive to all parts of Houston. I either have family or rental properties pretty much every where, so driving is not an issue.
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That’s all fine. We can meet at the gym any time since that is where you can find me most.
I, as a rule, only really drink with close friends. Just my thing. Anywhere else, I am just holding a beer for looks.
I do want to make the point clear that I am not fighting you personally, but when blacks are asked why they don’t denounce some other black person, it gets to me…as if we all think the same.
I limit my media exposure on purpose. It gives me a headache. I get tired of such polarized views and I feel that most of the public has become a literal puppet for these talking heads.
I do not think most people even think for themselves anymore.
Every person here who thinks they are cool uses someone else’s humor or creativity to define their own now. This is now YOUTUBE NATION…where you can be hit with 100 cat pictures and memes and the people throwing them haven’t had an original thought in a decade.
This is a complex issue that will not be resolved here.
In fact, posting in this thread really does point out how little real discussion can take place here now.
The shouting down by some members and the personal attacks have gotten outright corny.
If it weren’t for our local Jewish friend posting and Counting Numbers, I would have bowed out days ago.
The IQ of this site is falling and it limits the real discussion between the rest of us.\
Have a great one…and let me know when you want to hit 24 hour fitness.[/quote]
Which 24 hour fitness?
I see your point and I respect that. Lets lift some weights and have a discussion.
Just a heads up…but the fact that you can see that same style 20 years ago…means people using that as a “thug label” today have to be at least 2 whole decades out of date to an entire culture.
Wow.
Mind blowing that can even happen today.
It wasn’t even that big of a trend when he was doing it. Now, it defines a culture and lifestyle for some people.[/quote]
Okay, if an alien landed on earth today and saw a picutre of Lil wayne next to Tupac, how would you explain the diffence between the two.
Of course CULTURE has changed, that doesnt’ mean it doesn’t look THE EXACT SAME WAY.
PX, what part of the Black Community is all over the news right now? In Houston what was chanted by the organizers of the Anti-Zimmerman rally on 288? This is the face of the black community. I have not seen you once on this thread denounce what they are doing.[/quote]
I don’t watch tv so why would I need to denounce what I am not even aware of and what we are NOT discussing?
I know that, and I have seen you wrestling with a lot of people on here. I am not a bad guy, and I still want to sit down and have a drink with you. I can meet anywhere you want. I’m near downtown so will drive to all parts of Houston. I either have family or rental properties pretty much every where, so driving is not an issue.
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That’s all fine. We can meet at the gym any time since that is where you can find me most.
I, as a rule, only really drink with close friends. Just my thing. Anywhere else, I am just holding a beer for looks.
I do want to make the point clear that I am not fighting you personally, but when blacks are asked why they don’t denounce some other black person, it gets to me…as if we all think the same.
I limit my media exposure on purpose. It gives me a headache. I get tired of such polarized views and I feel that most of the public has become a literal puppet for these talking heads.
I do not think most people even think for themselves anymore.
Every person here who thinks they are cool uses someone else’s humor or creativity to define their own now. This is now YOUTUBE NATION…where you can be hit with 100 cat pictures and memes and the people throwing them haven’t had an original thought in a decade.
This is a complex issue that will not be resolved here.
In fact, posting in this thread really does point out how little real discussion can take place here now.
The shouting down by some members and the personal attacks have gotten outright corny.
If it weren’t for our local Jewish friend posting and Counting Numbers, I would have bowed out days ago.
The IQ of this site is falling and it limits the real discussion between the rest of us.\
Have a great one…and let me know when you want to hit 24 hour fitness.[/quote]
Ever the victim…it’s everybody else’s fault…nobody is on my intellectual level…others are bringing down the discussion level…YAWN
Prof X playbook 101, when proven wrong.
I’m sure a lot of other websites out there have people on your higher level of discussion.
Maybe give them a try? Maybe THEY won’t ask you to leave.
Otherwise known as: you have to play the game to change the game.
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I find this “our lives suck racism bla bla bla” yet when something is suggested to fix it all of the sudden it’s trying to change “our culture” to be moronic. Successful people (of whom a number happen to be white) have certain behaviours of which most include not acting/dressing like a thug (Prof X is probably going to piss his pants) working hard and not using the victim mentality as an excuse. God forbid you let someone know about it you filthy racist[/quote]
Oh wow, blacks complaining about racism = playing the victim? Lol. Who said here, that our life sucked? All we ask if for fairness, equality in jobs, justice, schools etc…
Lol. As if most blacks sit on their ass and do nothing, crying how Massa destroyed their lives.
The black men in jail who had been wrongly accused of murder are in there because of your racist justice system. Shouldn’t they be angry about it? No? Stop ‘‘playing the victims’’? People outraged by TM’s trial verdict should also stop ‘‘play the victims’’?
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I thought we weren’t talking ?
counter point
My rant was aimed at people who are not doing anything to improve their situation but simply falling back to playing the race card. This does not constitute the entire african american population.
[quote]Myosin wrote:
I should thank you for the your post breakdown. [/quote]
Not really, you missed my entire point because you continue to do the same things.
By pointing out how you are just as bad as anyone else I assume.
Or is pointing out the hypocrisy me fighting against the “good fight”?
Yeah, I do have strong feelings about inconsistent arguments.
Is it unpopular to assume everyone from one race, or even a majority thinks the same way based on their skin color? Yeah, it is, and you did it, a couple times. All while supporting people who are bitching about people doing that very thing.
Is this before our after you made wide, sweeping, derogatory, generalizations about dat der whitey?
Which is particularly funny, as you are, in essence, complaining that dat der evil whitey makes wide, sweeping, derogatory generalizations about every non-white male on Earth.
I’m not uncomfortable at all. I’m quite comfortable with this conversation. I’m well aware of bias, and that mine clouds me as much as I may try and prevent it, I can’t 100% of the time.
I’m also aware it could all turn out, when looked at with the 20/20 vision of hindsight, that I’m 100% wrong. Any one, at that time would like to watch me eat crow, I will gladly apologize, admit I was dead wrong and eat my hat.
I am sure you know much about those two.
[quote] We all deny any sort of privilege we may have in a failed attempt to play the underdog.
How many of us “feel” the experiences of having male privilege?
We all know what is said in locker rooms etc where it is a male only audience.
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That shit is on you man. You talk shit about things and people and feel that gives you some sort of privilege, that is completely on you, the individual.
I certainly missed out on all this privilege I’m supposed to have gotten, anyone know which McWhitersonMale store I can go get mine? All you white people out there can just tell me through our magical white telepathic powers.
Otherwise known as: you have to play the game to change the game.
[/quote]
I find this “our lives suck racism bla bla bla” yet when something is suggested to fix it all of the sudden it’s trying to change “our culture” to be moronic. Successful people (of whom a number happen to be white) have certain behaviours of which most include not acting/dressing like a thug (Prof X is probably going to piss his pants) working hard and not using the victim mentality as an excuse. God forbid you let someone know about it you filthy racist[/quote]
Oh wow, blacks complaining about racism = playing the victim? Lol. Who said here, that our life sucked? All we ask if for fairness, equality in jobs, justice, schools etc…
Lol. As if most blacks sit on their ass and do nothing, crying how Massa destroyed their lives.
The black men in jail who had been wrongly accused of murder are in there because of your racist justice system. Shouldn’t they be angry about it? No? Stop ‘‘playing the victims’’? People outraged by TM’s trial verdict should also stop ‘‘play the victims’’?
[/quote]
Theres no reason to think we could have a real discussion here with duck dynasty. Let them all waste their time peering out the window cleaning their guns waiting for the Afropocolipse… Im sure any minute now the negro invasion will begin. 1000s of young black men AKA thugz will be breaking into their homes ready to steel their "here comes honey boo boo box set and throw a Mandingo party with their girlfriends… I mean really to them the system is working just fine… If it aint broke dont fix it…
Mysons right fuck this…
There can still be justice for Trayvon Martin through the reform of the system so this shit stops… These guys still have a chance…Darrius Simmons 13,( his killer got life) Derek Williams 22, Corey Stingley 16, Bo Morrison 20… Fuck GZ he will get his one day no protective custody outside the walls… I would say a more usefull thing would be to create a thread that allows a information exchange so people that want to see the country move forward can.
Over 100 people have been murdered in Baltimore since Trayvon Martin, why is this not national news? Why is Obama not tweeting about this? Where are Sharpton and Jackson? Where is Katty Perry or half the Baltimore Ravens for that matter?
Otherwise known as: you have to play the game to change the game.
[/quote]
I find this “our lives suck racism bla bla bla” yet when something is suggested to fix it all of the sudden it’s trying to change “our culture” to be moronic. Successful people (of whom a number happen to be white) have certain behaviours of which most include not acting/dressing like a thug (Prof X is probably going to piss his pants) working hard and not using the victim mentality as an excuse. God forbid you let someone know about it you filthy racist[/quote]
Oh wow, blacks complaining about racism = playing the victim? Lol. Who said here, that our life sucked? All we ask if for fairness, equality in jobs, justice, schools etc…
Lol. As if most blacks sit on their ass and do nothing, crying how Massa destroyed their lives.
The black men in jail who had been wrongly accused of murder are in there because of your racist justice system. Shouldn’t they be angry about it? No? Stop ‘‘playing the victims’’? People outraged by TM’s trial verdict should also stop ‘‘play the victims’’?
[/quote]
Theres no reason to think we could have a real discussion here with duck dynasty. Let them all waste their time peering out the window cleaning their guns waiting for the Afropocolipse… Im sure any minute now the negro invasion will begin. 1000s of young black men AKA thugz will be breaking into their homes ready to steel their "here comes honey boo boo box set and throw a Mandingo party with their girlfriends… I mean really to them the system is working just fine… If it aint broke dont fix it…
Mysons right fuck this…
There can still be justice for Trayvon Martin through the reform of the system so this shit stops… These guys still have a chance…Darrius Simmons 13,( his killer got life) Derek Williams 22, Corey Stingley 16, Bo Morrison 20… Fuck GZ he will get his one day no protective custody outside the walls… I would say a more usefull thing would be to create a thread that allows a information exchange so people that want to see the country move forward can. [/quote]
you are laughable at best
you can’t argue with someone who refuses to face facts
They sure can…but to say that WHITES ARE AT MORE RISK…and then turn around and harp on black on black crime being the worst makes little sense, no?[/quote]
The entire argument is convoluted and conflating a couple issues.
I think there is validity to a person’s skin color drawing “negative” attention to themselves in certain neighborhoods.
However, I think looking to crime stats as a basis for an argument about race relations is a massive mistake, because it conflates economic issues with skin tone issues.
[quote]
I am in debate for myself. I am not here to take up everyone or anyone else’s “side”.
I am responding to at least 5 different people at one time. I am not even reading everyone’s response here. I am doing 5 other things while typing this.[/quote]
Alright, so I won’t bust your balls about it if you don’t bust mine, deal?
[quote]
[quote]
Of course, I know for a fact that racism still exists. I also know it is significantly better than it was even 10 years ago, and certainly when I was a kid. Apparently this makes me a denier to other people, but whatever.
So to answer your question: no I don’t think the laws just “drove racism underground”. I think people are moving forward and actually judging people based on the content of their character.
No shit isn’t perfect, but it certainly isn’t as bad as some in here believe. [/quote]
How bad do those people believe it is?[/quote]
Unreasonable people? I’d rather not justify the ludicrous to be honest. Let’s stick with your and my opinion.
How bad do you think it is?
[quote]
Look, there is no way the average white guy will ever know what the average dark skinned black guy experiences in a life time. [/quote]
But those same black guys apparently have no problem assuming that all white people’s lives are so much better, exclusively because they are right. So, in essence, doing the same thing.
I’m not trying to discount evil here, just that being wronged, doesn’t justify being wrong.
I certainly missed out on all this privilege I’m supposed to have gotten, anyone know which McWhitersonMale store I can go get mine? All you white people out there can just tell me through our magical white telepathic powers. [/quote]
I certainly missed out on all this privilege I’m supposed to have gotten, anyone know which McWhitersonMale store I can go get mine? All you white people out there can just tell me through our magical white telepathic powers. [/quote]
I need to know also.[/quote]
When I grew up in a 80% latino neighborhood and had to fight people daily because I was white…I wish I had known about the magical white powers that would give me teh cash moniez.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
How did I suspect you’d bring up an anecdote about a black man doing well? [/quote]
You did the very same thing, spare me the faux outrage.
According to your postings in this thread, Whitey should have stopped him from making it this far.
[quote]
Oh, and how many black women are top judges, partners/CEOs or chair big companies compared to white women? [/quote]
Seeing as those positions take decades (if not generations) of previous work to achieve and black people haven’t been treated equally, it shouldn’t come as any sort of shock that they might be under represented in those ranks.
This doesn’t mean, with 100% certainty, that the people choosing those to fill those positions are today racist, just that, due to the FUBAR situation in the past, things haven’t completed the correction process.
If grades were the single most important factor, I would say no.
No idea, and I doubt you could substantiate that is going on either.
I’ve done quite a few interviews. Not all good interviews end up in paying positions. We have to turn away good interviews all the time. And sometimes we have to fire people that were great interviews.
Skin color is irrelevant. Name on the resume is irrelevant.
[quote]Did you know this kinda shit was going on, or are you going to deny it too and, tell me that black Americans need to change their kids’ names(just as they need to change their clothing) in order to make it to the top?
Lol.[/quote]
You can tell yourself and anyone that will listen it is the name on the resume not getting people jobs or interviews until you are blue in the face.
[quote]
A white man denying that white privilege exists. So fuck yeah, you’ll never understand. [/quote]
A black woman denying blacks can be racist. So fuck yeah, you’ll never understand.
Also, where is my privilege then if it is so prevalent? I want some if people make assumptions of me and my life based on my skin color, yet call me names if I were to do it.
I don’t need to say so when your own words point the fact out so blatantly.
Well beans sorry I cant remember everything from when I was 6yrs old I wasnt taking notes but here are some facts a can remember. My dad a university proffesor at Berry college led a activist rally to protest the KKK’s yearly March the city couldnt give a shit less about the threats he was getting. And when the Klan came to down they made a nice example of my dad by burning a nice big cross in our front yard.
I quess since he wasnt nailed to its just freedom of speach. If you think the south is so nice take a family trip to some of the small towns and enjoy the local fare. Maybe it will help broaden your horizons maybe check out Forseyth GA real fun place. I’d just as soon forget about Rome GA and the racist turds that infest that land. Hopefully more time goes by and the intolerant, ignant, backwoods, mothbreathers can just die off.
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Not all white people agree with the KKK. Not all southern people do either.
I asked, specifically for these schools to learn something. Do you have names or are you making up stories?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I never said it wasn’t a significant issue.
Racism in any form is a significant issue. I merely said that its prevalence is overstated from one side, and that same side has plenty of members who believe literally that black people cant be racist.[/quote]
Let me make it more clear then, why do you think that because YOU ALONE think that “its prevalence is overstated from one side” that this stands as truth for all?[/quote]
i concur with him, so that IS MORE than him alone.
Otherwise known as: you have to play the game to change the game.
[/quote]
I find this “our lives suck racism bla bla bla” yet when something is suggested to fix it all of the sudden it’s trying to change “our culture” to be moronic. Successful people (of whom a number happen to be white) have certain behaviours of which most include not acting/dressing like a thug (Prof X is probably going to piss his pants) working hard and not using the victim mentality as an excuse. God forbid you let someone know about it you filthy racist[/quote]
Oh wow, blacks complaining about racism = playing the victim? Lol. Who said here, that our life sucked? All we ask if for fairness, equality in jobs, justice, schools etc…
Lol. As if most blacks sit on their ass and do nothing, crying how Massa destroyed their lives.
The black men in jail who had been wrongly accused of murder are in there because of your racist justice system. Shouldn’t they be angry about it? No? Stop ‘‘playing the victims’’? People outraged by TM’s trial verdict should also stop ‘‘play the victims’’?
[/quote]
Theres no reason to think we could have a real discussion here with duck dynasty. Let them all waste their time peering out the window cleaning their guns waiting for the Afropocolipse… Im sure any minute now the negro invasion will begin. 1000s of young black men AKA thugz will be breaking into their homes ready to steel their "here comes honey boo boo box set and throw a Mandingo party with their girlfriends… I mean really to them the system is working just fine… If it aint broke dont fix it…
Mysons right fuck this…
There can still be justice for Trayvon Martin through the reform of the system so this shit stops… These guys still have a chance…Darrius Simmons 13,( his killer got life) Derek Williams 22, Corey Stingley 16, Bo Morrison 20… Fuck GZ he will get his one day no protective custody outside the walls… I would say a more usefull thing would be to create a thread that allows a information exchange so people that want to see the country move forward can. [/quote]
Says this:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
information exchange so people that want to see the country move forward can. [/quote]
After saying this:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Theres no reason to think we could have a real discussion here with duck dynasty. Let them all waste their time peering out the window cleaning their guns waiting for the Afropocolipse… Im sure any minute now the negro invasion will begin. 1000s of young black men AKA thugz will be breaking into their homes ready to steel their "here comes honey boo boo box set and throw a Mandingo party with their girlfriends…[/quote]
Yeah… No blatant hypocrisy here, none at all.
Apparently, in your world as long as we are all bigots against the people you choose to be then all is good, right?
Otherwise known as: you have to play the game to change the game.
[/quote]
I find this “our lives suck racism bla bla bla” yet when something is suggested to fix it all of the sudden it’s trying to change “our culture” to be moronic. Successful people (of whom a number happen to be white) have certain behaviours of which most include not acting/dressing like a thug (Prof X is probably going to piss his pants) working hard and not using the victim mentality as an excuse. God forbid you let someone know about it you filthy racist[/quote]
Oh wow, blacks complaining about racism = playing the victim? Lol. Who said here, that our life sucked? All we ask if for fairness, equality in jobs, justice, schools etc…
Lol. As if most blacks sit on their ass and do nothing, crying how Massa destroyed their lives.
The black men in jail who had been wrongly accused of murder are in there because of your racist justice system. Shouldn’t they be angry about it? No? Stop ‘‘playing the victims’’? People outraged by TM’s trial verdict should also stop ‘‘play the victims’’?
[/quote]
Theres no reason to think we could have a real discussion here with duck dynasty. Let them all waste their time peering out the window cleaning their guns waiting for the Afropocolipse… Im sure any minute now the negro invasion will begin. 1000s of young black men AKA thugz will be breaking into their homes ready to steel their "here comes honey boo boo box set and throw a Mandingo party with their girlfriends… I mean really to them the system is working just fine… If it aint broke dont fix it…
Mysons right fuck this…
There can still be justice for Trayvon Martin through the reform of the system so this shit stops… These guys still have a chance…Darrius Simmons 13,( his killer got life) Derek Williams 22, Corey Stingley 16, Bo Morrison 20… Fuck GZ he will get his one day no protective custody outside the walls… I would say a more usefull thing would be to create a thread that allows a information exchange so people that want to see the country move forward can. [/quote]
Says this:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
information exchange so people that want to see the country move forward can. [/quote]
After saying this:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Theres no reason to think we could have a real discussion here with duck dynasty. Let them all waste their time peering out the window cleaning their guns waiting for the Afropocolipse… Im sure any minute now the negro invasion will begin. 1000s of young black men AKA thugz will be breaking into their homes ready to steel their "here comes honey boo boo box set and throw a Mandingo party with their girlfriends…[/quote]
Yeah… No blatant hypocrisy here, none at all.
Apparently, in your world as long as we are all bigots against the people you choose to be then all is good, right? [/quote]
I wonder if he has any idea that one of the Duck Dynasty guys has a bi-racial kid that they adopted. Way to stereotype there dude…