The reports list MINORITIES as a prerec for a hate crime…blacks, latinos, jews ect.
Minority on white crime is just a CRIME STATISTIC…one that has been listed on this thread MANY times.
Just because when a black person beats a white person it is not considered a HATE CRIME, it is still black on white crime…where the statistics have been posted.
And I’m done, I wish they had never let you back in the building.[/quote]
None of this explains how it can be said that whites are at GREATER risk of racial attacks in certain areas than blacks[/quote]
yes it did. very clearly.
PX, what part of the Black Community is all over the news right now? In Houston what was chanted by the organizers of the Anti-Zimmerman rally on 288? This is the face of the black community. I have not seen you once on this thread denounce what they are doing.[/quote]
I don’t watch tv so why would I need to denounce what I am not even aware of and what we are NOT discussing?
I know that, and I have seen you wrestling with a lot of people on here. I am not a bad guy, and I still want to sit down and have a drink with you. I can meet anywhere you want. I’m near downtown so will drive to all parts of Houston. I either have family or rental properties pretty much every where, so driving is not an issue.
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That’s all fine. We can meet at the gym any time since that is where you can find me most.
I, as a rule, only really drink with close friends. Just my thing. Anywhere else, I am just holding a beer for looks.
I do want to make the point clear that I am not fighting you personally, but when blacks are asked why they don’t denounce some other black person, it gets to me…as if we all think the same.
I limit my media exposure on purpose. It gives me a headache. I get tired of such polarized views and I feel that most of the public has become a literal puppet for these talking heads.
I do not think most people even think for themselves anymore.
Every person here who thinks they are cool uses someone else’s humor or creativity to define their own now. This is now YOUTUBE NATION…where you can be hit with 100 cat pictures and memes and the people throwing them haven’t had an original thought in a decade.
This is a complex issue that will not be resolved here.
In fact, posting in this thread really does point out how little real discussion can take place here now.
The shouting down by some members and the personal attacks have gotten outright corny.
If it weren’t for our local Jewish friend posting and Counting Numbers, I would have bowed out days ago.
The IQ of this site is falling and it limits the real discussion between the rest of us.\
Have a great one…and let me know when you want to hit 24 hour fitness.[/quote]
Ever the victim…it’s everybody else’s fault…nobody is on my intellectual level…others are bringing down the discussion level…YAWN
Prof X playbook 101, when proven wrong.
I’m sure a lot of other websites out there have people on your higher level of discussion.
Maybe give them a try? Maybe THEY won’t ask you to leave.[/quote]
Its a win-win. X gets to be among his intellectual equals and T-Nation can go back to not having threads like this, as it was in X’s absence.
Otherwise known as: you have to play the game to change the game.
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I find this “our lives suck racism bla bla bla” yet when something is suggested to fix it all of the sudden it’s trying to change “our culture” to be moronic. Successful people (of whom a number happen to be white) have certain behaviours of which most include not acting/dressing like a thug (Prof X is probably going to piss his pants) working hard and not using the victim mentality as an excuse. God forbid you let someone know about it you filthy racist[/quote]
Oh wow, blacks complaining about racism = playing the victim? Lol. Who said here, that our life sucked? All we ask if for fairness, equality in jobs, justice, schools etc…
Lol. As if most blacks sit on their ass and do nothing, crying how Massa destroyed their lives.
The black men in jail who had been wrongly accused of murder are in there because of your racist justice system. Shouldn’t they be angry about it? No? Stop ‘‘playing the victims’’? People outraged by TM’s trial verdict should also stop ‘‘play the victims’’?
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Theres no reason to think we could have a real discussion here with duck dynasty. Let them all waste their time peering out the window cleaning their guns waiting for the Afropocolipse… Im sure any minute now the negro invasion will begin. 1000s of young black men AKA thugz will be breaking into their homes ready to steel their "here comes honey boo boo box set and throw a Mandingo party with their girlfriends… I mean really to them the system is working just fine… If it aint broke dont fix it…
Mysons right fuck this…
There can still be justice for Trayvon Martin through the reform of the system so this shit stops… These guys still have a chance…Darrius Simmons 13,( his killer got life) Derek Williams 22, Corey Stingley 16, Bo Morrison 20… Fuck GZ he will get his one day no protective custody outside the walls… I would say a more usefull thing would be to create a thread that allows a information exchange so people that want to see the country move forward can. [/quote]
I certainly missed out on all this privilege I’m supposed to have gotten, anyone know which McWhitersonMale store I can go get mine? All you white people out there can just tell me through our magical white telepathic powers. [/quote]
I need to know also.[/quote]
When I grew up in a 80% latino neighborhood and had to fight people daily because I was white…I wish I had known about the magical white powers that would give me teh cash moniez.[/quote]
Dude, thats incredibly racist of you…fighting the whole neighborhood just cause they were mostly latino…
Coming from the people who want the world to “get better” and see change:
“Don’t discriminate, don’t judge on skin color or ethnic back ground, and don’t generalize entire groups of people based off of the actions of the few”
Seems perfectly reasonable and appropriate. Cool man, lets live like this, teach our kids to live like this and really start to end this bullshit.
Then comes: “Great, but while you’re doing that, I’ll make broad assumptions and generalizations about you, your life and the attitudes of people based on their skin color. However, I call it “white privilege” therefore it is totally cool, because double standard.”
Well beans sorry I cant remember everything from when I was 6yrs old I wasnt taking notes but here are some facts a can remember. My dad a university proffesor at Berry college led a activist rally to protest the KKK’s yearly March the city couldnt give a shit less about the threats he was getting. And when the Klan came to down they made a nice example of my dad by burning a nice big cross in our front yard.
I quess since he wasnt nailed to its just freedom of speach. If you think the south is so nice take a family trip to some of the small towns and enjoy the local fare. Maybe it will help broaden your horizons maybe check out Forseyth GA real fun place. I’d just as soon forget about Rome GA and the racist turds that infest that land. Hopefully more time goes by and the intolerant, ignant, backwoods, mothbreathers can just die off.
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Not all white people agree with the KKK. Not all southern people do either.
I asked, specifically for these schools to learn something. Do you have names or are you making up stories?[/quote]
You would think if Forsyth, GA left such a bad impression on him, he would at least be able to spell it. Not to mention if all that shit really did happen chances are there would have been some legal action taken against the school and police department, as well as a archived news article he could link to.
I am still confused by the fact that if black people are treated so bad by southerners, how come the three “blackest” states in the union are 1. Mississippi 2. Louisiana 3. Georgia. And if you keep going you get 4. Maryland 5. South Carolina 6. Alabama
In the top 6 you have all 5 states that most would consider the deepest part of the south.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I am still confused by the fact that if black people are treated so bad by southerners, how come the three “blackest” states in the union are 1. Mississippi 2. Louisiana 3. Georgia. And if you keep going you get 4. Maryland 5. South Carolina 6. Alabama
In the top 6 you have all 5 states that most would consider the deepest part of the south.[/quote]
It’s funny that when ever people talk about how racist the south is they are discussing the vast majority of blacks in the country.
Coming from the people who want the world to “get better” and see change:
“Don’t discriminate, don’t judge on skin color or ethnic back ground, and don’t generalize entire groups of people based off of the actions of the few”
Seems perfectly reasonable and appropriate. Cool man, lets live like this, teach our kids to live like this and really start to end this bullshit.
Then comes: “Great, but while you’re doing that, I’ll make broad assumptions and generalizations about you, your life and the attitudes of people based on their skin color. However, I call it “white privilege” therefore it is totally cool, because double standard.”
The only fucking “privilege” is green privilege.
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My white privilege backfired when I was getting into medical school. Would of been a hell of a lot easier being a minority of any kind.
I certainly missed out on all this privilege I’m supposed to have gotten, anyone know which McWhitersonMale store I can go get mine? All you white people out there can just tell me through our magical white telepathic powers. [/quote]
I need to know also.[/quote]
When I grew up in a 80% latino neighborhood and had to fight people daily because I was white…I wish I had known about the magical white powers that would give me teh cash moniez.[/quote]
Dude, thats incredibly racist of you…fighting the whole neighborhood just cause they were mostly latino…
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lol yeah profiling the whole neighborhood probably not the best idea. It was surely your fault you got beat up.
Coming from the people who want the world to “get better” and see change:
“Don’t discriminate, don’t judge on skin color or ethnic back ground, and don’t generalize entire groups of people based off of the actions of the few”
Seems perfectly reasonable and appropriate. Cool man, lets live like this, teach our kids to live like this and really start to end this bullshit.
Then comes: “Great, but while you’re doing that, I’ll make broad assumptions and generalizations about you, your life and the attitudes of people based on their skin color. However, I call it “white privilege” therefore it is totally cool, because double standard.”
The only fucking “privilege” is green privilege.
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My white privilege backfired when I was getting into medical school. Would of been a hell of a lot easier being a minority of any kind.
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Thats because white privilege only exists in the minds of Sociology majors who took Tim Wise a bit too seriously.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I am still confused by the fact that if black people are treated so bad by southerners, how come the three “blackest” states in the union are 1. Mississippi 2. Louisiana 3. Georgia. And if you keep going you get 4. Maryland 5. South Carolina 6. Alabama
In the top 6 you have all 5 states that most would consider the deepest part of the south.[/quote]
It’s funny that when ever people talk about how racist the south is they are discussing the vast majority of blacks in the country. [/quote]
Sowell addresses this, at least indirectly, in his book Economic Facts and Fallacies. In fact he addresses a lot of this thread in indirect ways in that book.
Sort of boils down to, if I remember correctly:
government oppression
separate wasn’t equal
not enough time has pasted in order for that type of generational wrong doing to be overcome in the numbers that would see a large population of that group migrate far from “home”.
Through the lens of human history, blacks in America are still very much in “recovery” stage. It takes generations to over come government oppression of that magnitude, and social policy implemented by that same government can only do so much.
X, you asked for someone with Houston experience to provide an evaluation of Houston. I contacted my co-worker who spent I believe 2 years there for work. Here is the email conversation below, you will know the areas not me. This is from the perspective of someone who has lived there and watched it change in only two years. If you want further evaluation, I can ask another co-worker, still living there, to whom I was referred in this very email chain to speak with. Just because you “feel safe” in certain areas, does not mean everyone does. These areas may in fact be safe, but they were places he was either told to avoid by people who lived there, or in his own experience didn’t feel comfortable going. And this guy has been all over the world, including to countries he had to wear a flak vest while travelling to Customer sites. Not saying similar is required in Houston, but that he isn’t one to over-react either.
My email to him:
Hey, how’s it going… long time no see!
I’ve been having a discussion with some friends regarding various large cities and areas to avoid in them, and was wondering if you could offer some input on Houston since you lived there. While there, were there any areas you tried to intentionally avoid, either altogether, or at certain times (like at night) because they were well known as being dangerous/unsafe?
I’d greatly appreciate your input. I realize Houston is a big city, but if you could site like neighborhoods - like say Wilkinsburg in Pittsburgh, that would be an awesome resource for me so these folks can ask when in Houston, where these places are specifically so they know not to go!
His response:
As far as Houston goes, I never really got to see all the areas in detail, but drove through quite a few. Everyone told me to stay away from the eastern side and southwestern side. However Sugarland and Richmond are in the southwest side and are pretty nice. Some parts of North/north east Houston, were on the down swing but generally fine during the day. Places I wouldnt mind visiting at times or going through, but not want to live there. Just outside downtown, north and east arent so nice.
Willowbrook mall area up by the sales office was a nice shopping area/good food spots but someone said the housing market was rapidly going downhill as far as the population that was moving in, so you wouldn’t want to live there either.
Also talk to “Employee Name” from houston sales office. He moved down same time I did and is still there. We lived off of I-10/beltway 8 on the west side. Kinda considered the WestChase area. Wasnt a bad area. His apartment complex on dairy ashford st started to go alittle downhill after first 2 years there so he moved up closer to the cypress area. This is a nice area, located in north west houston off highway 290. My area remained fairly nice because rent got more and more expensive, kept the bad population out.
Further west is Katy texas. “Employee Name” lives out that way when he used to work for “Company Name”. I’ve been out that way, some nice areas.
Closer downtown are some nice areas. Theres a midtown section just west of downtown houston, just inside the 610 loop that was very nice. Off washington avenue. More upscale, younger population. North of downtown as I said earlier was not so good/not so nice. East, the same thing applies. I wouldnt stay out that way.
South houston isnt too bad. I’ve been down there several times, closer to Pearland Tx.
Overall I think there are more “pockets” of bad areas scattered throughout. Likewise, some good pockets.
Note: Emails only editted to remove names of individuals and company.
Coming from the people who want the world to “get better” and see change:
“Don’t discriminate, don’t judge on skin color or ethnic back ground, and don’t generalize entire groups of people based off of the actions of the few”
Seems perfectly reasonable and appropriate. Cool man, lets live like this, teach our kids to live like this and really start to end this bullshit.
Then comes: “Great, but while you’re doing that, I’ll make broad assumptions and generalizations about you, your life and the attitudes of people based on their skin color. However, I call it “white privilege” therefore it is totally cool, because double standard.”
The only fucking “privilege” is green privilege.
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Another good post. You’re damn good at putting these things into words, which is why i find it incredible that arguments are still being made against you.
Because there are “lies, damn lies, and statistics”. Once people start arguing stats, many things can get twisted. [/quote]
They sure can…but to say that WHITES ARE AT MORE RISK…and then turn around and harp on black on black crime being the worst makes little sense, no?
beans owns you.
beans in no way agreed to or supports this statement.
in summation: you are wrong.
carry on.[/quote]
It was actually a tie but the white priviledge bonus points that beans inherited (but just didn’t know it) allowed him to barely edge out the victory.[/quote]
Wow…i just learned a lot about this case. Thank you for posting that.
Hey DN, what was that about 3.7 GPA, full-ride scholarship, model student and citizen? LOL
Anyone who can read this article/survey, check the sources, and still spew the crap that you guys have is downright retarded. Again, thank you Blaze, i really enjoyed reading this.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sagging pants are a big thing in my community. The only people who would see that STYLE AND TREND as criminal would be people who don’t even try to understand the culture.
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I don’t see it as criminal, I see it as retarded. How soon until pants are sagging in the front and kids are walking around with their junk hanging out and anyone who criticizes is deemed racist when in fact we just don’t like looking at other people’s junk?[/quote]
But…you’re old. They said the same thing about Elvis in the 50’s.
Wow…youth doing something rebellious…the horror.
Good thing only BLACK PEOPLE do things like that.[/quote]
I had to laugh at this. Seriously, X? You’re discrediting what he said just because he’s old. Dude, YOU’RE old. You’re like 37 or some shit. You need to stop acting like you are part of the younger generation. You really probably don’t know shit about what’s in vogue. Quit living like you are still some young gun who is down with the times. You’re an old man. Come to terms with it. It just irks me that you continually try and speak for my generation when you aren’t even a part of it. You’re not as worldly and cultured as you act.
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I had to laugh at this. This, as in, your post. If 37 is old what is 23? Middle-aged? You’re a middle-aged man.[/quote]
Thank you. We disagree often, but this post from him is just nothing but derailing the thread and uncreative personal attacks.
In general, if this is what now passes for a discussion on this board, everyone here should feel like a failure for it.
Attacking anyone on a personal level as your ONLY defense (not even counting banter while still meeting topic points) is childish and bringing this whole website down. No one is thinking you are “witty” for it.
I am wondering why it is accepted still.
If you all want a discussion, stay on topic.
If you are making posts for the ONLY reason of attacking someone, please leave.[/quote]
Why are you here? You complain about not being able to have an actual discussion and yet you’ve ignored my last few attempts to do so with you. How about you start by discussing why you think it is relevant to point out that crime statistics do not record every single crime being committed. If the rate at which crimes are committed remain the same with every ethnic group in those stats, even if the raw numbers are different, then it is irrelevant to mention that the stats don’t represent reality. Or do you think that crime stats are not representative of the trends they show? Do you think that the actual crime rate amongst whites is really higher than it is amongst blacks? And if so, how do you know this?
Secondly, could you discuss my response as to why sagging your pants makes you a thug? You demanded to know why someone said such a thing and I answered, although I responded directly to DN and not you.
Thirdly, what about the whole “pimp/hoe” thing? Don’t you think it reeks of ignorance for a group of people who, on the one hand were enslaved themselves at one point and decry this (as they rightly should) but then turn right around and literally glorify being a pimp, which is nothing more than glorifying being a slaveowner? I discussed this in more detail earlier. Perhaps if you want to have a discussion you could start by addressing these three points I’ve made.