Trayvon Martin Pt. 3.. The Legacy Pt. 2

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Let’s stop here. Most of the young guys walking around today WERE NOT EVEN BORN when Tupac was here…so thinking that people are EMULATING HIM personally and not that the culture has long moved on and evolved seems very out of date and simply wrong.

Tupac effected hip hop culture, but no, no kid today is trying to be Tupac because they didn’t even know who he was.
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The people that, “Mentor,” these kids, for a lack of a better term, where emulating Tupac. So in a way they most certainly are emulating him. Your right though, more young men are emulating Lil Wayne or whoever, which got their style from…

I believe smart racist business men are a minority and unless you can prove otherwise we might as well just leave it at that. It’s just my experience. When I worked at Johns Hopkins I was the minority for sure.

If the new form of racism is culturalism than white people are effected as well. Have you seen Justin Bieber and those emulating him, who does he dress like?

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Yes, we are much better off, but the same people who literally paint broad strokes and label every young black man dressed a certain way as a criminal will soon be hitting the work force also. Do you really think these biases have no effects n a grand scale that are still socially significant?[/quote]

No, and the reason why is that most of these young folks acting this way will grow up/out of this nonsense. Again, that has been my experience.

People are racist
People are bias
A larger % of people don’t give a crap about race.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I don’t believe in 2013 a black person is being denied a promotion because they are black (99.99% of the time). If that does happen they can move to another company where that won’t happen.
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Wow. You say it so nonchalantly.

How do you know that ain’t happening?[/quote]

Has it happened to you or anyone you know?[/quote]

Not me but people I know (relatives, friends), yes.
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Well I’m sorry to hear that, it’s bull shit.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
thug
/THug/
Noun
A violent person, esp. a criminal.

Hmmmm.

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Who is doing this?? PLEASE quote where someone said black men with sagging pants are criminals.[/quote]

Uh, no need to quote EVERYONE who called them thugs.[/quote]

Edit: timeline

Your question is answered 2 posts above.

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
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Wow! I’ve just mentioned this in my reply to CB!

That’s the kind of shit that is goin’ on. But they are going to fucking brush it under the carpet. White priviledge doesn’t exist. No. Non. Nein. fucking nyet.

I shall expect the typical response ‘‘it’s the blacks’ own fault if they’re not making it to the top. Dress that way, talk that way, have an eurocentric name and you could succeed.’’ In other words, ‘‘adhere to OUR rules or you’re fucking screwed.’’

Yeah, Lateesha won’t be accepted for that executive position in a top bank because she’s got a fucking ‘‘black’’ name. Doesn’t matter how smart she dresses. Fuck her. She can play the victim all day long/ or look for another job since it’s so fucking easy to do it in the current economy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
X, I’ll ask the same question I asked DN. Have you or do you know someone that has not been promoted because of their skin color? Has it happened in the last 20 years?[/quote]

I seriously doubt that unless someone wanted to end up in court that you would hear some manager literally make that statement of racism in public.

This is one aspect one would have to understand to answer the question you asked.

Racism today must be hidden because of the laws in effect. Do you first think that this means that racism literally exists less or that it is more subverted?[/quote]

I honestly think racism exists less today than in the past and what does exist is subverted to a great extent. I think a lot of racism stems from ignorance, which IMO has changed in the last 20-30 years.

We would not have had a black president in 1990, for example.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

The slave trade is still brought up in current debates all the time when it was outlawed 150 years ago. 150 years is a lot farther back than the 20 year old Tupac argument.[/quote]

No one made that argument here at all so why mention it?

Uh, wow. I am not sure this even warrants a response.

You apparently know how all black people think or what they “look forward to”. I am in awe.

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Look at that last line. I look at someone for their character. I do not give a shit about the color of anyone’s skin. The Zimmerman trial can be summed up the complete opposite of that last line.[/quote]

If people are judging black men by sagging pants to be CRIMINALS base don that alone, they are not looking at character at all.

Really?

That would require understanding where your alternate is coming from…and you don’t seem to care much.[/quote]

PX, what part of the Black Community is all over the news right now? In Houston what was chanted by the organizers of the Anti-Zimmerman rally on 288? This is the face of the black community. I have not seen you once on this thread denounce what they are doing.

Did I ever judge you or any black man by the clothes they are wearing? You presume the same thing you claim I am doing.

I ask you, do you really want to know where I am coming from? I would ask do you really care to see my side of the story? I have asked to sit down and have a drink, and talk. We have a lot in common, but come from different back grounds.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

PX, what part of the Black Community is all over the news right now? In Houston what was chanted by the organizers of the Anti-Zimmerman rally on 288? This is the face of the black community. I have not seen you once on this thread denounce what they are doing.[/quote]

I don’t watch tv so why would I need to denounce what I am not even aware of and what we are NOT discussing?

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Did I ever judge you or any black man by the clothes they are wearing? You presume the same thing you claim I am doing.[/quote]

I don’t know if you specifically called them “thugs” or not but enough people here did based on nothing but clothing.

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[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Otherwise known as: you have to play the game to change the game.

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I find this “our lives suck racism bla bla bla” yet when something is suggested to fix it all of the sudden it’s trying to change “our culture” to be moronic. Successful people (of whom a number happen to be white) have certain behaviours of which most include not acting/dressing like a thug (Prof X is probably going to piss his pants) working hard and not using the victim mentality as an excuse. God forbid you let someone know about it you filthy racist[/quote]

Oh wow, blacks complaining about racism = playing the victim? Lol. Who said here, that our life sucked? All we ask if for fairness, equality in jobs, justice, schools etc…

Lol. As if most blacks sit on their ass and do nothing, crying how Massa destroyed their lives.

The black men in jail who had been wrongly accused of murder are in there because of your racist justice system. Shouldn’t they be angry about it? No? Stop ‘‘playing the victims’’? People outraged by TM’s trial verdict should also stop ‘‘play the victims’’?

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[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
And no one has yet to explain how wearing sagging pants makes one a ‘‘thug’’.[/quote]

nobody said it MADE you a thug. just that you would be PERCEIVED as a thug.

its been said like 500 times already, are you going to pay attention this time?[/quote]

Maybe once the repetitions hit 1000? I could see how you’d miss it the first 500 times.[/quote]

DN made the distinction and was corrected on it.
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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

The people that, “Mentor,” these kids, for a lack of a better term, where emulating Tupac. So in a way they most certainly are emulating him. Your right though, more young men are emulating Lil Wayne or whoever, which got their style from…
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dear Lord, this is a little frustrating.

It would be like saying kids today are wearing skinny jeans because of Elvis.

Culture moves on and evolves and most will never be aware of the true source of the evolution. That is why you can’t blame TUPAC for sagging pants in 2013. Two completely different time periods with their own social issues.

No kid today is dressed that way because of Tupac.

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I believe smart racist business men are a minority and unless you can prove otherwise we might as well just leave it at that. It’s just my experience. When I worked at Johns Hopkins I was the minority for sure. [/quote]

Once again, no different than the many in this thread who claimed that WHITES SEE MORE RACIAL HARM THAN BLACKS IN SOME AREAS.

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If the new form of racism is culturalism than white people are effected as well. Have you seen Justin Bieber and those emulating him, who does he dress like? [/quote]

Like the culture he surrounds himself with…which seems to be largely people in the hip hop community…which means in the future even more culture cross over…which brings “sagging pants mean criminal” into question even more as society changes.

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No, and the reason why is that most of these young folks acting this way will grow up/out of this nonsense. Again, that has been my experience. [/quote]

This isn’t about the WORK FORCE. You had people calling these m,en THUGS on the street, not in an office setting.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

If people are judging black men by sagging pants to be CRIMINALS base don that alone, they are not looking at character at all.

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Who is doing this?? PLEASE quote where someone said black men with sagging pants are criminals.[/quote]

That isn’t what a THUG is?

I asked several times for the definition of thug and was given it…which involves CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. Have you changed the definition now?[/quote]

For realz?

I cant believe you managed to ignore the fact that it was pointed out - several times - that the definition of “Thug” does not say it explicitly requires criminal activity. These are big concepts we’re playing with here, take your time and re-read if you have to.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

PX, what part of the Black Community is all over the news right now? In Houston what was chanted by the organizers of the Anti-Zimmerman rally on 288? This is the face of the black community. I have not seen you once on this thread denounce what they are doing.[/quote]

I don’t watch tv so why would I need to denounce what I am not even aware of and what we are NOT discussing?

I know that, and I have seen you wrestling with a lot of people on here. I am not a bad guy, and I still want to sit down and have a drink with you. I can meet anywhere you want. I’m near downtown so will drive to all parts of Houston. I either have family or rental properties pretty much every where, so driving is not an issue.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You want to know what I feel as a Christian White Male?

I do not want to be beat up any more. I am not ashamed of who I am. When I am beat up then I don’t want to improve. All I do is start hating everyone that is beating me up. Instead of me coming down, you and everyone else can come up and meet me. When that happens we can then both move forward together and make this country great. We are both men just trying to live our lives the best we can. It is about character not the color of your skin, socioeconomic place in life, faith, or how you dress. It is about Character. Character is something that is lost in this country. [/quote]

Good post. I think that a lot of the argument around here basically boils down to many other people of similar racial and religious background to yourself feeling the same way.

I get the impression that some black people think all white men should take ownership of the wrongs of their ancestors, which is bullshit. People are tired of having to tip-toe around these conversations because black people will automatically cry “racist” or tell you how bad they have it and how you dont understand.

Most white people arent putting anyone down. Some are. On the other side of the coin, many black people are keeping THEMSELVES down. Instead of worrying about what white people should be doing for black people, worry about what black people should be doing for black people.

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Tupac

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Lil Wayne

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Elvis

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

PX, what part of the Black Community is all over the news right now? In Houston what was chanted by the organizers of the Anti-Zimmerman rally on 288? This is the face of the black community. I have not seen you once on this thread denounce what they are doing.[/quote]

I don’t watch tv so why would I need to denounce what I am not even aware of and what we are NOT discussing?

I know that, and I have seen you wrestling with a lot of people on here. I am not a bad guy, and I still want to sit down and have a drink with you. I can meet anywhere you want. I’m near downtown so will drive to all parts of Houston. I either have family or rental properties pretty much every where, so driving is not an issue.
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That’s all fine. We can meet at the gym any time since that is where you can find me most.

I, as a rule, only really drink with close friends. Just my thing. Anywhere else, I am just holding a beer for looks.

I do want to make the point clear that I am not fighting you personally, but when blacks are asked why they don’t denounce some other black person, it gets to me…as if we all think the same.

I limit my media exposure on purpose. It gives me a headache. I get tired of such polarized views and I feel that most of the public has become a literal puppet for these talking heads.

I do not think most people even think for themselves anymore.

Every person here who thinks they are cool uses someone else’s humor or creativity to define their own now. This is now YOUTUBE NATION…where you can be hit with 100 cat pictures and memes and the people throwing them haven’t had an original thought in a decade.

This is a complex issue that will not be resolved here.

In fact, posting in this thread really does point out how little real discussion can take place here now.

The shouting down by some members and the personal attacks have gotten outright corny.

If it weren’t for our local Jewish friend posting and Counting Numbers, I would have bowed out days ago.

The IQ of this site is falling and it limits the real discussion between the rest of us.\

Have a great one…and let me know when you want to hit 24 hour fitness.

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dmaddox

You’re the man!

(in a good way)

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Skinny Jeans…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Tupac[/quote]

Just a heads up…but the fact that you can see that same style 20 years ago…means people using that as a “thug label” today have to be at least 2 whole decades out of date to an entire culture.

Wow.

Mind blowing that can even happen today.

It wasn’t even that big of a trend when he was doing it. Now, it defines a culture and lifestyle for some people.