I know these last few threads started off discussing the Zimmerman verdict, so despite the fact that they’ve turned towards racial relations overall, this came up on my FB feed and I thought it was a nice summary (with sources linked) of the information that many people upset over the jury’s decision most likely aren’t aware of, or are just ignoring.
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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Holly bejesus I had no idea DarkNinjaa was such a sizzling hot soul sista # oy-vay
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This hot sizzling sista says, ‘‘well, thank you :)’’
I dig you. It’s not every day you see a white man who ‘‘gets’’ what most don’t.
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Translation: You’re one of the “good” white people.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I know these last few threads started off discussing the Zimmerman verdict, so despite the fact that they’ve turned towards racial relations overall, this came up on my FB feed and I thought it was a nice summary (with sources linked) of the information that many people upset over the jury’s decision most likely aren’t aware of, or are just ignoring.
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No Stu, no! Heaven forbid any one know the facts!
YOU RUINED IT!
Stop trying to keep the black man down!
Aww who am I kidding they keep them selves down more than the “white man” does now anyways.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I grew up on a literal Indian reservation.
Periodically, I’d fall into the white-man-took-our-land-and ruined-our-culture mindset so pushed by the government and outside special interest folks who came and “helped” on the reservation.
My step-father would have none of this. He gave me a book by Booker T. Washington, a man born into slavery. Booker had a white father that had no role in his life, much like my biological father (whom I’ve never even met or spoken to). I really identified with Mr. Washington. Even though I didn’t necessarily agree with everything he said, I really could tell from where he was coming.
He gave some basic strategies to survive and prosper as a minority in the USA, which have clearly been forgotten by the black community at large.
My favorite quote from him is:
“I’m afraid there is a certain class of race problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.”
Regarding dress . . . . well, clothes don’t make the man, but they do make a statement about what kind of man the man wants to be.
If you dress like a cholo (and that’s the thug life dress code in these parts), people will think you are a cholo, or want to be a cholo, and treat you like a cholo.
BTW, Black gangs picked up the cholo dress code in the 1980s as part of gang life. (Cholos have been doing the low-rider pants, wife beaters, and banddannas since the 1930s. It’s not even black culture — borrowed from cholo gangs.)
Well, as an Indian — or Native American, if you prefer — I’m not a fan of cholos. They are gang-member losers and give us a bad name.
I’m not going to dress to identify with the lowest common denominator of people who happen to share my genetics.
If blacks want to identify with the lowest common denominator of their people — heck, not even their people, but cholos ---- well they’re stupid.[/quote]
BOOM.
If there was a single comment in this whole thread that deserved a “/thread,” this is it.
Unfortunately it wasnt written in crayola so will likely be ignored or twisted in some ridiculously retarded way that makes no logical sense.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I grew up on a literal Indian reservation.
Periodically, I’d fall into the white-man-took-our-land-and ruined-our-culture mindset so pushed by the government and outside special interest folks who came and “helped” on the reservation.
My step-father would have none of this. He gave me a book by Booker T. Washington, a man born into slavery. Booker had a white father that had no role in his life, much like my biological father (whom I’ve never even met or spoken to). I really identified with Mr. Washington. Even though I didn’t necessarily agree with everything he said, I really could tell from where he was coming.
He gave some basic strategies to survive and prosper as a minority in the USA, which have clearly been forgotten by the black community at large.
My favorite quote from him is:
“I’m afraid there is a certain class of race problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.”
Regarding dress . . . . well, clothes don’t make the man, but they do make a statement about what kind of man the man wants to be.
If you dress like a cholo (and that’s the thug life dress code in these parts), people will think you are a cholo, or want to be a cholo, and treat you like a cholo.
BTW, Black gangs picked up the cholo dress code in the 1980s as part of gang life. (Cholos have been doing the low-rider pants, wife beaters, and banddannas since the 1930s. It’s not even black culture — borrowed from cholo gangs.)
Well, as an Indian — or Native American, if you prefer — I’m not a fan of cholos. They are gang-member losers and give us a bad name.
I’m not going to dress to identify with the lowest common denominator of people who happen to share my genetics.
If blacks want to identify with the lowest common denominator of their people — heck, not even their people, but cholos ---- well they’re stupid.[/quote]
Just wanted to mention Booker T. is one of greatest men to ever live. He’s incredibly inspiring even to a white guy from a good home like me.
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
This is more like it. (In real life you wouldn’t likely see the guns.) I would suggest not fucking with Russian Mafia… I’ve seen what happens to a shop lifter, lol. [/quote]
But what makes those guys ‘‘thugs’’? Would you think they were thugs had you passed them walking down the streets (minus the cloth hiding their faces of course)? Would you consider them ‘‘thugs’’, hadn’t you seen them with their guns?
I see nothing with the way they’re dressed (well, minus the cloth) that suggests those guys are up to no good. Shit, even Will Smith used to dress that way back in the 90s and he’s one of the tamest rappers out there.
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Holly bejesus I had no idea DarkNinjaa was such a sizzling hot soul sista # oy-vay
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Careful what you fap to bro…it’s a trap as the saying goes.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
This is more like it. (In real life you wouldn’t likely see the guns.) I would suggest not fucking with Russian Mafia… I’ve seen what happens to a shop lifter, lol. [/quote]
But what makes those guys ‘‘thugs’’? Would you think they were thugs had you passed them walking down the streets (minus the cloth hiding their faces of course)? Would you consider them ‘‘thugs’’, hadn’t you seen them with their guns?
I see nothing with the way they’re dressed (well, minus the cloth) that suggests those guys are up to no good. Shit, even Will Smith used to dress that way back in the 90s and he’s one of the tamest rappers out there.
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Holly bejesus I had no idea DarkNinjaa was such a sizzling hot soul sista # oy-vay
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Careful what you fap to bro…it’s a trap as the saying goes.[/quote]
Sometimes you gotta let 'em learn the hard way.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sagging pants are a big thing in my community. The only people who would see that STYLE AND TREND as criminal would be people who don’t even try to understand the culture.
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I don’t see it as criminal, I see it as retarded. How soon until pants are sagging in the front and kids are walking around with their junk hanging out and anyone who criticizes is deemed racist when in fact we just don’t like looking at other people’s junk?[/quote]
But…you’re old. They said the same thing about Elvis in the 50’s.
Wow…youth doing something rebellious…the horror.
Good thing only BLACK PEOPLE do things like that.[/quote]
I had to laugh at this. Seriously, X? You’re discrediting what he said just because he’s old. Dude, YOU’RE old. You’re like 37 or some shit. You need to stop acting like you are part of the younger generation. You really probably don’t know shit about what’s in vogue. Quit living like you are still some young gun who is down with the times. You’re an old man. Come to terms with it. It just irks me that you continually try and speak for my generation when you aren’t even a part of it. You’re not as worldly and cultured as you act.
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I had to laugh at this. This, as in, your post. If 37 is old what is 23? Middle-aged? You’re a middle-aged man.[/quote]
Thank you. We disagree often, but this post from him is just nothing but derailing the thread and uncreative personal attacks.
In general, if this is what now passes for a discussion on this board, everyone here should feel like a failure for it.
Attacking anyone on a personal level as your ONLY defense (not even counting banter while still meeting topic points) is childish and bringing this whole website down. No one is thinking you are “witty” for it.
I am wondering why it is accepted still.
If you all want a discussion, stay on topic.
If you are making posts for the ONLY reason of attacking someone, please leave.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Interesting. Where are these majority of places whites can’t go without being in danger?
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I live in Northern NJ 15 minutes from Newark, Paterson and NYC so I’ll give you a few in my area:
Sections of Paterson , Newark, East Orange, and a lot of Camden. My friend works for a utility company and he has to cut people’s power off in sections of Irvington, East Orange and Newark when they don’t pay. He’s in the area a lot and gets racial slurs and threats thrown at him. It got bad enough to the point where they now need the help of the police to do their job.
I also worked a for a few months as cell tower auditor for T-Mobile and we had sites all over NYC. Instead of on towers, the cell sites are on top of the buildings. There were neighborhoods in the Bronx (near Webster and Jerome Ave), Brooklyn and upper part of Harlem (around 145 and St. Nick) where it wasn’t safe for whites after dark and even sometimes during the day. Both the cops and the thugs see a white guy in these neighborhoods and they immediately think you’re there for drugs. We would schedule audits for site in these areas no later than noon. The earlier, the better.
Obviously every housing project in the 4 boroughs (minus Manhattan) is off limits. Same goes for Paterson , Newark , Irvington, East Orange and Camden. There are other areas in NJ and NYC where whites can’t go, but I’m just listing the ones I’ve seen personally.
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I lived in Newark, not the Ironbound, and I am white. I felt in no more or less danger than a black who lived there felt. Then again, since I lived there, they all probably assumed I was as broke as they were. [/quote]
Interesting.
It would seem perception is relevant.
It also seems that people from Houston agree with each other on the social situation but people from Newark see the world completely differently than the guy down the block.
JK
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/[/quote]
Lol.
It is interesting how the author of that piece of crap wants to bring attention to the fact the media didn’t tell us everything about certain points concerning the case, that the media didn’t show us everything about Trayvon, ie pictures, his dismeanour etc, and yet, the fucker - the author of that pile of shit-- also fails to bring up Zimtard’s history of violence.
I mean, if you want to include Trayvon’s FB pictures, and that Trayvon was suspended from school for fighting or having Mary J on him (on days that had nothing to do with the night he was killed by the way), by all means, let us know that Zimmerman was a cop and gf beater, as well as a patron beater when he was a bouncer. Where are the pictures of his MySpace page on that shit? I mean, we need to know that both of them were ‘‘up to no good’’.
Who was in trial anyway? The kid or his killer?
And lol@ Zimmfuck taking a black woman to the prom and having black friends. LMFAO! Typical excuse. ‘‘Hey, guys, I’m not racist! I got a black friend, wife, gf (delete where applicable) child, dog.’’ LOL!
What loads of one-sided horsheshit.
…and for the record regarding age, most of the highest paid artist in the Hip Hop industry are closer to my age or older.
Jay-Z ain’t in his 20’s or 30’s and he is setting records in album sales. Kanye is my age.
If this discussion wants to look better than a 3rd grade cafeteria lunchroom, maybe we can get more creative and interesting posters in the discussion.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sagging pants are a big thing in my community. The only people who would see that STYLE AND TREND as criminal would be people who don’t even try to understand the culture.
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I don’t see it as criminal, I see it as retarded. How soon until pants are sagging in the front and kids are walking around with their junk hanging out and anyone who criticizes is deemed racist when in fact we just don’t like looking at other people’s junk?[/quote]
But…you’re old. They said the same thing about Elvis in the 50’s.
Wow…youth doing something rebellious…the horror.
Good thing only BLACK PEOPLE do things like that.[/quote]
I had to laugh at this. Seriously, X? You’re discrediting what he said just because he’s old. Dude, YOU’RE old. You’re like 37 or some shit. You need to stop acting like you are part of the younger generation. You really probably don’t know shit about what’s in vogue. Quit living like you are still some young gun who is down with the times. You’re an old man. Come to terms with it. It just irks me that you continually try and speak for my generation when you aren’t even a part of it. You’re not as worldly and cultured as you act.
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I had to laugh at this. This, as in, your post. If 37 is old what is 23? Middle-aged? You’re a middle-aged man.[/quote]
In general, if this is what now passes for a discussion on this board, everyone here should feel like a failure for it.
I am wondering why it is accepted still.
If you all want a discussion, stay on topic.
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Mirror, look in it.
Careful X, you don’t want to fall through the ice again and have to make a call to bail you out.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
But how much safer are these neighbourhoods for other blacks?
Given the stat provided earlier that most black murders are predominately at the hands of other blacks, how safe are these neighbourhoods for any individual regardless of race?
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They are not safe for anyone but they are worse for whites because you immediately stand out as a mark. Whites in the neighborhoods I mentioned (especially at night) are profiled as people with money looking for drugs by both the cops and criminals. A white guy is going attractive more negative attention than a black guy by the local thugs. And catching someones attention in these neighborhoods is not a good thing. Also there are people who resent whites in these neighborhoods too. You know, the kind that call us “crackas”. I was called that a couple weeks ago in a liquor store in the ghetto part of Atlantic by a black guy who apparently doesn’t like white people.
As far as the black on black crimes stats, white people stay out of these neighborhoods unless they have to go there. That is, unless you have to work there like my friend now and me 10 years ago.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Holly bejesus I had no idea DarkNinjaa was such a sizzling hot soul sista # oy-vay
[/quote]
This hot sizzling sista says, ‘‘well, thank you :)’’
I dig you. It’s not every day you see a white man who ‘‘gets’’ what most don’t.
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Translation: You’re one of the “good” white people. [/quote]
Hell fucking yeah. A white person who doesn’t deny that racism still exists, is definitely ‘‘good’’ in my books. Unlike most of you fuckers. I wouldn’t be surprised if most of you had accounts in Stormfront.
A very accurate that shows Zimcunt is a fucking liar.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Holly bejesus I had no idea DarkNinjaa was such a sizzling hot soul sista # oy-vay
[/quote]
This hot sizzling sista says, ‘‘well, thank you :)’’
I dig you. It’s not every day you see a white man who ‘‘gets’’ what most don’t.
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Translation: You’re one of the “good” white people. [/quote]
accounts in Stormfront.
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WTF is that?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Interesting.
It would seem perception is relevant.
It also seems that people from Houston agree with each other on the social situation but people from Newark see the world completely differently than the guy down the block.
JK[/quote]
Did you read his and my follow up posts? He lived in a decent part of Newark. I bring my family to the area for dinner on Sunday nights.
I still have my NJIT alumni email account. These are some of the advisories we’d get regularly. And this was NOT in the worst part of Newark. Shitty , crime ridden area, but not the worst.
At about 5:00PM on Friday, February 1, 2008, a NJIT student was robbed at gunpoint on the stairway entering the Lock Street subway station. The suspect armed with a handgun is described as a Hispanic male, 5’6" - 5’7", thin build, wearing a black leather jacket, grey hoodie, black baseball cap, and jeans. There were four other black males with the suspect. The Department of Public safety, Newark Police Department and New Jersey Transit Police Department are participating in the follow-up investigation. Additionally, the Department of Public safety is in the process of developing plans with the New Jersey Transit Police department to obtain a live feed from the security cameras posted in the station. Updates will be provided if further information is obtained.
A student was robbed at knife point by two male suspects at 156 Central Avenue, which is near the intersection of Central Avenue and Dr. Martin Luther King Boulevard. The student was not injured. One suspect was wearing blue jeans, dark blue hooded jacket with a head rag, 17-21 years of age, 160 lbs, 5â??, 7â?? in height. The second male was wearing a camouflage hooded jacket with solid tan below the neck line, 17-21 years of age, 160 lbs, 5â??, 7â?? in height. The matter is being investigated by the Newark Police Department and the NJIT Department of Public Safety.
An NJIT student reported to Public Safety that he was the victim of a robbery on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at approximately 4:15 PM. The student stated that he was approached by three unknown black males as he was boarding a subway car in the Warren Street subway station. The suspects demanded his iPod. The student complied with the demand and the suspects fled the area. The student was not injured in the incident.
Two incidents involving NJIT students:
At approximately 10:00 PM three NJIT students were returning to their residence at 289 Martin Luther King Blvd., after shopping at the Pathmark Supermarket located on Bergen Street in Newark, NJ. As the students approached the area of Warren and Newark streets, several unknown juvenile males appeared from the bushes and struck one of the students in the chest and head as the other two students fled the area seeking Police assistance. The injured student was transported to UMDNJ where he was treated and released.
At approximately 1:45 PM a NJIT student was the victim of a strong arm robbery occurring on the Warren Street subway platform. The student was approached by three juveniles who demanded his money. As the juveniles were fleeing the area, the student alerted the Public Safety Officer assigned to Lock Street and all three juveniles were apprehended and charged. The student was not injured in the incident.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
But how much safer are these neighbourhoods for other blacks?
Given the stat provided earlier that most black murders are predominately at the hands of other blacks, how safe are these neighbourhoods for any individual regardless of race?
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They are not safe for anyone but they are worse for whites because you immediately stand out as a mark. [/quote]
Actually, like he just pointed out, if blacks are the biggest VICTIMS in that situation, saying those places are worse for whites doesn’t seem to hold with what see in reality.
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Whites in the neighborhoods I mentioned (especially at night) are profiled as people with money looking for drugs by both the cops and criminals. A white guy is going attractive more negative attention than a black guy by the local thugs. And catching someones attention in these neighborhoods is not a good thing.[/quote]
That doesn’t mean that whites would get attacked more than blacks in those same neighborhoods.
In fact, it stands to reason that the LAST THING a true criminal would want is to approach the person who attracts so much attention like you just wrote.
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Also there are people who resent whites in these neighborhoods too.[/quote]
This does not mean a white person will be attacked more than a black person in those same situations.
In fact, all evidence seems to show blacks are at the greatest risk.
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As far as the black on black crimes stats, white people stay out of these neighborhoods unless they have to go there. That is, unless you have to work there like my friend now and me 10 years ago.[/quote]
How does this show whites are more at risk of physical harm than a black person there?
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Holly bejesus I had no idea DarkNinjaa was such a sizzling hot soul sista # oy-vay
[/quote]
This hot sizzling sista says, ‘‘well, thank you :)’’
I dig you. It’s not every day you see a white man who ‘‘gets’’ what most don’t.
[/quote]
Translation: You’re one of the “good” white people. [/quote]
Hell fucking yeah. A white person who doesn’t deny that racism still exists is definitely ‘‘good’’ in my books. Unlike most of you fuckers. I wouldn’t be surprised if most of you had accounts in Stormfront.
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I don’t think anyone is denying that it still exists. Racism will always exist on some level, however, a lot of us are saying that some here are overstating the white on black racism and choosing to completely act like black on white racism doesn’t exist.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Interesting.
It would seem perception is relevant.
It also seems that people from Houston agree with each other on the social situation but people from Newark see the world completely differently than the guy down the block.
JK[/quote]
Did you read his and my follow up posts? He lived in a decent part of Newark. I bring my family to the area for dinner on Sunday nights.
I still have my NJIT alumni email account. These are some of the advisories we’d get regularly. And this was NOT in the worst part of Newark. Shitty , crime ridden area, but not the worst.
At about 5:00PM on Friday, February 1, 2008, a NJIT student was robbed at gunpoint on the stairway entering the Lock Street subway station. The suspect armed with a handgun is described as a Hispanic male, 5’6" - 5’7", thin build, wearing a black leather jacket, grey hoodie, black baseball cap, and jeans. There were four other black males with the suspect. The Department of Public safety, Newark Police Department and New Jersey Transit Police Department are participating in the follow-up investigation. Additionally, the Department of Public safety is in the process of developing plans with the New Jersey Transit Police department to obtain a live feed from the security cameras posted in the station. Updates will be provided if further information is obtained.
A student was robbed at knife point by two male suspects at 156 Central Avenue, which is near the intersection of Central Avenue and Dr. Martin Luther King Boulevard. The student was not injured. One suspect was wearing blue jeans, dark blue hooded jacket with a head rag, 17-21 years of age, 160 lbs, 5â??, 7â?? in height. The second male was wearing a camouflage hooded jacket with solid tan below the neck line, 17-21 years of age, 160 lbs, 5â??, 7â?? in height. The matter is being investigated by the Newark Police Department and the NJIT Department of Public Safety.
An NJIT student reported to Public Safety that he was the victim of a robbery on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at approximately 4:15 PM. The student stated that he was approached by three unknown black males as he was boarding a subway car in the Warren Street subway station. The suspects demanded his iPod. The student complied with the demand and the suspects fled the area. The student was not injured in the incident.
Two incidents involving NJIT students:
I thought you were arguing that whites were more at risk than blacks?
You are just posting crime stats…the first one involving a hispanic male.
What point are you making again?