Trayvon Martin Pt. 3.. The Legacy Pt. 2

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You know, I’ve always felt like bodybuilding/powerlifting/strengthlifting were some of the least racist sports. I mean look at who has won over the years, look at the general acceptance of the different bodybuilders, and at the different races represented.

We have African folks, American folks, Arabian folks, Australian folks, European folks, Japanese folks, and probably a couple others. People tease each other, look at the rivalry between Priest and Shawn Ray, but at the end of the day, they respect each other because face it, we all spend a lot of time in the gym, work hard, and for them - they all have to shave and slap on tanning oil and a man-thong.

To me, I think a lot of the world could take a lesson from the “iron sports”, even though our laundry isn’t clean either.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sagging pants are a big thing in my community. The only people who would see that STYLE AND TREND as criminal would be people who don’t even try to understand the culture.

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I don’t see it as criminal, I see it as retarded. How soon until pants are sagging in the front and kids are walking around with their junk hanging out and anyone who criticizes is deemed racist when in fact we just don’t like looking at other people’s junk?[/quote]

But…you’re old. They said the same thing about Elvis in the 50’s.

Wow…youth doing something rebellious…the horror.

Good thing only BLACK PEOPLE do things like that.[/quote]

I had to laugh at this. Seriously, X? You’re discrediting what he said just because he’s old. Dude, YOU’RE old. You’re like 37 or some shit. You need to stop acting like you are part of the younger generation. You really probably don’t know shit about what’s in vogue. Quit living like you are still some young gun who is down with the times. You’re an old man. Come to terms with it. It just irks me that you continually try and speak for my generation when you aren’t even a part of it. You’re not as worldly and cultured as you act.
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I had to laugh at this. This, as in, your post. If 37 is old what is 23? Middle-aged? You’re a middle-aged man.[/quote]

Don’t I feel like it. I have always mused that I have the soul of a man many years my senior. Anyways, my post wasn’t so much saying that 37 is “old”, but that I found it comical that X was trying to act like sen say’s post was irrelevant because of his age, when X is much older than some of the guys he’s arguing with.

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DBCooper wrote [quote]

Alright, I’ll fucking bite on this one. First off, “thug” can mean several different things. I usually think of someone who has nothing going for them when I think of “thug”. Others think more along the lines of criminality. Either way, “thugs” generally are pieces of shit. All thugs are pieces of shit but not all pieces of shit are thugs. Pieces of shit with nothing going for them (no job, no legal source of income, etc) are thugs.

So when I see someone wearing pants that are sagging to the point where their entire ass is hanging out and all that shit, I think of the word “thug”. Perhaps this person actually does have a nice job and all that shit, but I doubt it. Think about WHY people sag their pants in the first place. It’s not really a fashion statement as much as it is an overtly transgressive act. It’s a way to say “fuck off, I don’t want to fit in and my way of being an ‘individual’ is to act transgressively.” Someone with that mindset simply doesn’t give a fuck.

And let’s not forget where sagging originates as a fashion trend. It didn’t come out of the pages of GQ or the streets of Paris or Milan. It comes directly from the prison system. So someone who aggressively sags their pants is not only acting in a transgressive manner, they are also essentially embracing the prison system mentality by actively trying to look like someone in prison. The obvious implication is that there is something “cool” in that person’s mind about prison life.

Of course, there are different levels of sagging. But the exaggerated style of sagging most prevalent amongst the sort of people who also have the “thug” label attached to them is a direct descendant of the style that originated in prison. So, if your way of individualizing your style of dress is to sag your pants to a level well below the top of your fucking ass crack AND you wear your shirt in such a style that it completely reveals the underwear you have on underneath your sagging pants you’re a fucking thug. What else would you call someone who embraces a style of dress directly from prison? [/quote]

[quote] Pimp. That reminds me of something else that seems entirely backwards in “black” culture. Pimps run prostitutes and treat them like pieces of property, not humans. Remind you of anything we’ve read about in the history books? On top of that, prostitutes are mostly slaves of a modern sort. Most prostitutes literally are slaves, actually, since most are forced into their occupation in one way or another, and abused both physically and emotionally by their pimp handlers.

The pimp is the 21st century overseer. And yet, pimp seems to carry a completely positive connotation in “black” culture. Pimp is a term used almost exclusively with a positive connotation in hip-hop, for instance.

So when I hear blacks STILL talking about the slavery they endured generations and generations ago in the same breath that they mention the cruel injustices they suffer today, it falls on deaf ears. The bottom line is that many, many blacks, by virtue of the almost universal positive connotation that the word “pimp” has, have essentially said that slavery and the subjugation of certain people is OK as long as it isn’t them. [/quote]

Good points all around, seriously couldn’t agree more!

fuck the Giants

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Having said that, what excuse do 12 year old white suburban girls who dress like streetwalkers have when they do have someone that should know better in their lives? [/quote]

That is quite the assumption now isn’t it?[/quote]

The girls get a pass because 12-year old suburban girls of any color don’t make up a staggeringly overwhelming majority of the crime statistics in this country. It’s like anything else in life. People only criticize the way you operate when it clearly isn’t working for you. When you aren’t a problem people don’t give a fuck what you do.[/quote]
Applying that logic, such that it is, shouldn’t a white woman fear a white man more than a black man since white men rape more white women than black men rape women? Shouldn’t a white woman fear the white man she is out on a date with more than a random black man? Should I fear the white banker I deal with more than some kid in saggy jeans and a hoody when it comes to stealing my money? [/quote]

You don’t do very well with statistics do you?

More in absolute total for a group <> statistically more likely for an individual from that group

You’d still need to do some math to get the likely percentage for an individual of that group.[/quote]
So since we know a white woman is more likely to be raped by not just a white man but a white man she knows what do those stats you mention have to do with it? If you want a white woman to make herself less likely to be the victim of rape, avoiding black men is not on the list. Not leaving her drink unattended but for the white guy she is talking to while she goes to the bathroom is much more important.

But to get back to the stats you refer to: is a white woman statistically more likely to come into contact with a black man or white man and, in what numbers? Is she more likely to be on a date with a black man or white man? [/quote]

If she is more likely to be raped by a white man, but also statistically knows far more white men, it is entirely possible she is statistically safer with an individual white man.

Let’s say there 10 black guys and 100 white guys. And the odds of a white guy rapping her is 2% overall and 1% for a black guy rapping her. That would mean the likelihood for an individual black is rapping her is .1% and for a white it would be .02%. In this hypothetical situation a white guy is still statistically safer even though the white guy population is twice as likely to rape her.

Edit, got beaten too it.

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Where I lived private schools wouldnt let in blacks or other ethnic groups, private pools wouldnt allow blacks. Certain pools wouldnt let blacks & minorities swim there. [/quote]

Links?

I can’t believe this isn’t a national outrage…[/quote]

Im not sure it would have made any national news as the entire town seemed to be cool with it back then. Where I lived the whites and blacks lived in seperate parts of town and really didnt mix. I lived in Rome GA in the early 80’s and these things were just part of life. I’ll ask my mom the name of the pool and see if anything pops up on the net. Im pretty sure the KKK still has a annual march their but I havent been back since 1986 when my dad got fired for being such a “upity jew” Im sure things are probably better now now but I still woudnt go back.[/quote]

There are like 35 people in the KKK nowadays.

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It’s amazing that I’ve lived in the southeast for 30 years and never even heard rumors about any such things.

The north: proof that it’s easy to show everyone how to be multi-cultural and non-racist as long as everybody in your town is white.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
There you go then. Perhaps the problem is bad influence from the parents, and many parents need to stop dicking around and pay more attention to their kids? And I’ve never known any “Southern Boys” to post “gangsta” pics to Facebook, they are usually too busy hunting, fishing, or outside to do that crap. But that’s my personal experience with them. Guns in my family were locked away and I was told if I ever touched them I’d have every bone in my hand broken. Maybe a bit rough, but it got the point across. Parents do a poor job anymore, and its apparent. If you want to discuss it, start a new thread.

I believe this one is about how the implications of race give some fair treatment while others are still persecuted on false pretense.[/quote]
I’m just going by the profile we in the Northeast have of the South. To us, they are all toothless cavemen. [/quote]

Zecarlo- We don’t all think Southerners are cavemen with no teeth. I have learned southerners are some of the most polite people in the U.S.A. and the farther north and east you go the more assholes you get.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Interesting. Where are these majority of places whites can’t go without being in danger?

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I live in Northern NJ 15 minutes from Newark, Paterson and NYC so I’ll give you a few in my area:

Sections of Paterson , Newark, East Orange, and a lot of Camden. My friend works for a utility company and he has to cut people’s power off in sections of Irvington, East Orange and Newark when they don’t pay. He’s in the area a lot and gets racial slurs and threats thrown at him. It got bad enough to the point where they now need the help of the police to do their job.

I also worked a for a few months as cell tower auditor for T-Mobile and we had sites all over NYC. Instead of on towers, the cell sites are on top of the buildings. There were neighborhoods in the Bronx (near Webster and Jerome Ave), Brooklyn and upper part of Harlem (around 145 and St. Nick) where it wasn’t safe for whites after dark and even sometimes during the day. Both the cops and the thugs see a white guy in these neighborhoods and they immediately think you’re there for drugs. We would schedule audits for site in these areas no later than noon. The earlier, the better.

Obviously every housing project in the 4 boroughs (minus Manhattan) is off limits. Same goes for Paterson , Newark , Irvington, East Orange and Camden. There are other areas in NJ and NYC where whites can’t go, but I’m just listing the ones I’ve seen personally.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
It’s amazing that I’ve lived in the southeast for 30 years and never even heard rumors about any such things.

The north: proof that it’s easy to show everyone how to be multi-cultural and non-racist as long as everybody in your town is white.[/quote]

Doubleduce- Yeah, some people in the north use a stereotype of the south being racist, intolerant hillbillies, to feel superior to them. A lot of my family is from the south and every time we visit everyone is polite and friendly.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Ahhh, but how likely is it that a white woman will come into contact with the same number of black men as white? Seriously, if a white woman is faced with a group of 100 black men she is either a prison guard or filming a porno.

I understand stats, I just like to put them through the reality filter. [/quote]

Do you realize the stupidity of your statement, or do I need to define it for you? Choose any city that has equal share of White people and Black people. Or choose any city where the Black demographic outweighs the White demographic… now the White female all of a sudden interacts with more Black people than White people because she is a minority.

Again I’ll state, please stop.[/quote]
That may be true for some individual white women but is that true for most? We do know that most rapes are of the acquaintance type and the odds are higher that a white woman will have a white acquaintance. So the odds may be higher that an individual black man will be a rapist vs a white man but the odds are also higher that a white woman’s rapist will be white.

I understand that the stats show that a black man is more likely to be a rapist than a white man. I also understand that to use that stat to scare white people is counterproductive to those of us who teach women self-defense. It’s like teaching kids to avoid strangers and ignoring the reality that he or she is much more likely to be victimized by a family member or close friend.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Interesting. Where are these majority of places whites can’t go without being in danger?

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I live in Northern NJ 15 minutes from Newark, Paterson and NYC so I’ll give you a few in my area:

Sections of Paterson , Newark, East Orange, and a lot of Camden. My friend works for a utility company and he has to cut people’s power off in sections of Irvington, East Orange and Newark when they don’t pay. He’s in the area a lot and gets racial slurs and threats thrown at him. It got bad enough to the point where they now need the help of the police to do their job.

I also worked a for a few months as cell tower auditor for T-Mobile and we had sites all over NYC. Instead of on towers, the cell sites are on top of the buildings. There were neighborhoods in the Bronx (near Webster and Jerome Ave), Brooklyn and upper part of Harlem (around 145 and St. Nick) where it wasn’t safe for whites after dark and even sometimes during the day. Both the cops and the thugs see a white guy in these neighborhoods and they immediately think you’re there for drugs. We would schedule audits for site in these areas no later than noon. The earlier, the better.

Obviously every housing project in the 4 boroughs (minus Manhattan) is off limits. Same goes for Paterson , Newark , Irvington, East Orange and Camden. There are other areas in NJ and NYC where whites can’t go, but I’m just listing the ones I’ve seen personally.
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I lived in Newark, not the Ironbound, and I am white. I felt in no more or less danger than a black who lived there felt. Then again, since I lived there, they all probably assumed I was as broke as they were.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
We need to come to the conclusion -together - that there is a problem of violence in the Black community. [/quote]
Violence is an American problem. Besides, “Black community” should be qualified with poor and it would apply to white communities as well. People look at stats and demographics and come to racially based conclusions when these are not “black” crimes but poor people crimes.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Interesting. Where are these majority of places whites can’t go without being in danger?

[/quote]

I live in Northern NJ 15 minutes from Newark, Paterson and NYC so I’ll give you a few in my area:

Sections of Paterson , Newark, East Orange, and a lot of Camden. My friend works for a utility company and he has to cut people’s power off in sections of Irvington, East Orange and Newark when they don’t pay. He’s in the area a lot and gets racial slurs and threats thrown at him. It got bad enough to the point where they now need the help of the police to do their job.

I also worked a for a few months as cell tower auditor for T-Mobile and we had sites all over NYC. Instead of on towers, the cell sites are on top of the buildings. There were neighborhoods in the Bronx (near Webster and Jerome Ave), Brooklyn and upper part of Harlem (around 145 and St. Nick) where it wasn’t safe for whites after dark and even sometimes during the day. Both the cops and the thugs see a white guy in these neighborhoods and they immediately think you’re there for drugs. We would schedule audits for site in these areas no later than noon. The earlier, the better.

Obviously every housing project in the 4 boroughs (minus Manhattan) is off limits. Same goes for Paterson , Newark , Irvington, East Orange and Camden. There are other areas in NJ and NYC where whites can’t go, but I’m just listing the ones I’ve seen personally.
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I lived in Newark, not the Ironbound, and I am white. I felt in no more or less danger than a black who lived there felt. Then again, since I lived there, they all probably assumed I was as broke as they were. [/quote]

That’s one of the better parts of Newark. I go to the Portuguese section once a month for dinner. It’s more like Harrison than it is Newark. That’s why I said sections of Newark. I went to NJIT for my Masters 5 years ago. Indian and white students were getting robbed on a weekly basis in the City Subway stations. That is just a few blocks west of the NJIT campus. And even that’s not even close to being the worst part of Newark.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Applying that logic, such that it is, shouldn’t a white woman fear a white man more than a black man since white men rape more white women than black men rape white women? Shouldn’t a white woman fear the white man she is out on a date with more than a random black man? Should I fear the white banker I deal with more than some kid in saggy jeans and a hoody when it comes to stealing my money? [/quote]

Well said.

It is amazing how much the focus is on white women raped by black men, when stats show that white women are more likely to be/ are raped more by white men.

Maybe next time someone wants to bring the black on black crime argument, I can always counter with white on white crime/ rape.

Bottom line is, crime/rape is driven by proximity and opportunism. Whites are much more likely to live near other whites than they are to minorities and black in particular. Therefore, they’ll kill each other or white women will be raped at a higher rate than ‘‘interracial crimes’’ rate. And the same will apply to blacks or other minorities.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Interesting. Where are these majority of places whites can’t go without being in danger?

[/quote]

I live in Northern NJ 15 minutes from Newark, Paterson and NYC so I’ll give you a few in my area:

Sections of Paterson , Newark, East Orange, and a lot of Camden. My friend works for a utility company and he has to cut people’s power off in sections of Irvington, East Orange and Newark when they don’t pay. He’s in the area a lot and gets racial slurs and threats thrown at him. It got bad enough to the point where they now need the help of the police to do their job.

I also worked a for a few months as cell tower auditor for T-Mobile and we had sites all over NYC. Instead of on towers, the cell sites are on top of the buildings. There were neighborhoods in the Bronx (near Webster and Jerome Ave), Brooklyn and upper part of Harlem (around 145 and St. Nick) where it wasn’t safe for whites after dark and even sometimes during the day. Both the cops and the thugs see a white guy in these neighborhoods and they immediately think you’re there for drugs. We would schedule audits for site in these areas no later than noon. The earlier, the better.

Obviously every housing project in the 4 boroughs (minus Manhattan) is off limits. Same goes for Paterson , Newark , Irvington, East Orange and Camden. There are other areas in NJ and NYC where whites can’t go, but I’m just listing the ones I’ve seen personally.
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I lived in Newark, not the Ironbound, and I am white. I felt in no more or less danger than a black who lived there felt. Then again, since I lived there, they all probably assumed I was as broke as they were. [/quote]

That’s one of the better parts of Newark. I go to the Portuguese section once a month for dinner. It’s more like Harrison than it is Newark. That’s why I said sections of Newark. I went to NJIT for my Masters 5 years ago. Indian and white students were getting robbed on a weekly basis in the City Subway stations. That is just a few blocks west of the NJIT campus. And even that’s not even close to being the worst part of Newark.[/quote]
I worked in Irvington and was told that if it had a higher population it would be ranked as one of the most violent cities in America. I remember the first time I went to Harrison and Maplewood and couldn’t believe that in the space of a few meters you entered what seemed like a different country. Essex County College had (maybe has) a program where convicts get to attend classes. One of them raped a girl in the bathroom. I used to go running at night. The ATM at night. Walk my dog in the park at night. I honestly don’t know how I was never the victim of some crime. I used to work out in the park with a bunch of very large ex-cons. They never gave me the impression they didn’t want me there or were going to do something to me. Maybe because I was a white guy living in Newark they felt sorry for me.

Anyway, something I learned is that talk is cheap. It doesn’t matter what color you are, if you were born and raised there chances are you won’t amount to much. Another thing is that I noticed that the way things are set up, they don’t want people to advance their lives. In other words, white people will often say, I even said, that if they were living in the ghetto they would do such and such to get out. But that assumes they would know what they know now if they found themselves there. I couldn’t honestly say that if I were born there that I would have risen up and gotten out. I also never saw so many liquor stores in one place and none were owned by blacks.

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

Holly bejesus I had no idea DarkNinjaa was such a sizzling hot soul sista # oy-vay
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This hot sizzling sista says, ‘‘well, thank you :)’’

I dig you. It’s not every day you see a white man who ‘‘gets’’ what most don’t.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Interesting. Where are these majority of places whites can’t go without being in danger?

[/quote]

I live in Northern NJ 15 minutes from Newark, Paterson and NYC so I’ll give you a few in my area:

Sections of Paterson , Newark, East Orange, and a lot of Camden. My friend works for a utility company and he has to cut people’s power off in sections of Irvington, East Orange and Newark when they don’t pay. He’s in the area a lot and gets racial slurs and threats thrown at him. It got bad enough to the point where they now need the help of the police to do their job.

I also worked a for a few months as cell tower auditor for T-Mobile and we had sites all over NYC. Instead of on towers, the cell sites are on top of the buildings. There were neighborhoods in the Bronx (near Webster and Jerome Ave), Brooklyn and upper part of Harlem (around 145 and St. Nick) where it wasn’t safe for whites after dark and even sometimes during the day. Both the cops and the thugs see a white guy in these neighborhoods and they immediately think you’re there for drugs. We would schedule audits for site in these areas no later than noon. The earlier, the better.

Obviously every housing project in the 4 boroughs (minus Manhattan) is off limits. Same goes for Paterson , Newark , Irvington, East Orange and Camden. There are other areas in NJ and NYC where whites can’t go, but I’m just listing the ones I’ve seen personally.
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But how much safer are these neighbourhoods for other blacks?

Given the stat provided earlier that most black murders are predominately at the hands of other blacks, how safe are these neighbourhoods for any individual regardless of race?

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

DarkNinjaa is a he, not a she. He’s already admitted as much in another thread.[/quote]

I’ve totally mind fucked you, haven’t I? Hahahahaha!!

There, there. It’d be okay. It must sting for you that others still pay me compliments. You GOT to get over it. We’ve already established that we weren’t each other’s type. The way you’re still on my shit, you’d think I stole your manhood or something. Lol.

Move the fuck on, bitch.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Again, you are misunderstanding statistics. What are the chances she’ll be raped one person in a group of 100 black men, versus a group of 100 white men. If 40% of the black population has raped and 25% of white men have raped, then 40 out of those 100 black men have a chance they may try to rape her, and 25% of white men have a chance they may try to rape her. Chance has to do with percentage which is related to the amount of the existing population that has committed said act. It has nothing to do with total sums.

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Ahhh, but how likely is it that a white woman will come into contact with the same number of black men as white? Seriously, if a white woman is faced with a group of 100 black men she is either a prison guard or filming a porno.

I understand stats, I just like to put them through the reality filter. [/quote]

Hahaha!!

You’re going to drive them mad with this. Lol!

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I grew up on a literal Indian reservation.

Periodically, I’d fall into the white-man-took-our-land-and ruined-our-culture mindset so pushed by the government and outside special interest folks who came and “helped” on the reservation.

My step-father would have none of this. He gave me a book by Booker T. Washington, a man born into slavery. Booker had a white father that had no role in his life, much like my biological father (whom I’ve never even met or spoken to). I really identified with Mr. Washington. Even though I didn’t necessarily agree with everything he said, I really could tell from where he was coming.

He gave some basic strategies to survive and prosper as a minority in the USA, which have clearly been forgotten by the black community at large.

My favorite quote from him is:

“I’m afraid there is a certain class of race problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.”

Regarding dress . . . . well, clothes don’t make the man, but they do make a statement about what kind of man the man wants to be.

If you dress like a cholo (and that’s the thug life dress code in these parts), people will think you are a cholo, or want to be a cholo, and treat you like a cholo.

BTW, Black gangs picked up the cholo dress code in the 1980s as part of gang life. (Cholos have been doing the low-rider pants, wife beaters, and banddannas since the 1930s. It’s not even black culture — borrowed from cholo gangs.)

Well, as an Indian — or Native American, if you prefer — I’m not a fan of cholos. They are gang-member losers and give us a bad name.

I’m not going to dress to identify with the lowest common denominator of people who happen to share my genetics.

If blacks want to identify with the lowest common denominator of their people — heck, not even their people, but cholos ---- well they’re stupid.