Trayvon Martin Pt. 3.. The Legacy Pt. 2

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Having said that, what excuse do 12 year old white suburban girls who dress like streetwalkers have when they do have someone that should know better in their lives? [/quote]

That is quite the assumption now isn’t it?[/quote]
This whole thread reeks of it so it’s OK. [/quote]

Oh right, and entire 3 threads who’s major theme has been the improper assumptions people make about others, particularly about race, but it cool for you to blatantly do it?

Fuck that.

But because of “dat der privilege” you can just assume this person’s life is wonderful and she has everything she needs in life, even though style of dress, as you have presented, is more likely than not a cry for attention from a “father” that “works” 70 hours a week (really just 40, and the other 30 is spent fucking his mistress), and a “mother” who is too loaded on cheap gin and Zanex to notice?

You are literally no better than those you have been speaking out against. Therefore part of the problem. But it’s cool, because everyone else does it? Personification of the entire point of this argument, in one post… Well done. [/quote]
Did I say it was cool for me to do it? [/quote]

So now you are going to play semantic games?

You said it was “OK”. How else was that supposed to be taken?[/quote]
Do people see what’s there or what they perceive is there based on a variety of outside influences? We don’t have freedom of choice if we don’t know the reasons why we choose. If we make judgements without understanding why we came to our conclusions then we can never have an unbiased opinion. Why the hell would I think that a particular style of dress is whore-like? I have not seen many prostitutes. Why would I assume that my tastes and feelings on appropriate dress are correct enough to make a judgement about someone I don’t know?

Someone from a Muslim nation might think what I find appropriate for my kid is whore-like. My father who grew up in a different time and place might feel the same way. Why is a comment regarding white girls so offensive to some here yet all the ridiculous posts about how blacks dress are OK?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
It’s not really a fashion statement as much as it is an overtly transgressive act. It’s a way to say “fuck off, I don’t want to fit in and my way of being an ‘individual’ is to act transgressively.” Someone with that mindset simply doesn’t give a fuck.
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Where you see a lot of people dressing that way, the way to be an individual and not fit in, is to not dress that way. Now, someone shows up to a job or college interview like that then they are saying that they don’t care or they just don’t know any better but, if they didn’t care they wouldn’t be showing up at all. I saw this firsthand. I saw a man dressed in a suit that said pimp while working at a job that required contact with a wide variety of the public and for which he represented the US govt. He wasn’t a pimp and didn’t want to project that image. He just had no fashion sense outside of where he was from. [/quote]

Pimp. That reminds me of something else that seems entirely backwards in “black” culture. Pimps run prostitutes and treat them like pieces of property, not humans. Remind you of anything we’ve read about in the history books? On top of that, prostitutes are mostly slaves of a modern sort. Most prostitutes literally are slaves, actually, since most are forced into their occupation in one way or another, and abused both physically and emotionally by their pimp handlers.

The pimp is the 21st century overseer. And yet, pimp seems to carry a completely positive connotation in “black” culture. Pimp is a term used almost exclusively with a positive connotation in hip-hop, for instance.

So when I hear blacks STILL talking about the slavery they endured generations and generations ago in the same breath that they mention the cruel injustices they suffer today, it falls on deaf ears. The bottom line is that many, many blacks, by virtue of the almost universal positive connotation that the word “pimp” has, have essentially said that slavery and the subjugation of certain people is OK as long as it isn’t them.

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I also live in the northeast, and there are plenty of toothless northeasterners also. I guess it depends how far northeast you are, and as funny as it is to make fun of West Virginian’s for marrying their sister who also is somehow their mother, its a joke.

Have you ever interacted with people down south? Yea, they call you a Yankee, but they are pretty damn cool once they realize you don’t look at them as “toothless cavemen.” That’s just as “racist” as thinking poorly of Black people just because they are Black. Its one of those things where each side is defensive until one side extends their hand in friendship. In the case of “race relations” most White people have extended their hands in friendship and many Black people have accepted. However there is still a large portion who harbor angst against people who never did jack to them. I imagine you are just being funny though.

Again, lets get back on topic.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Having said that, what excuse do 12 year old white suburban girls who dress like streetwalkers have when they do have someone that should know better in their lives? [/quote]

That is quite the assumption now isn’t it?[/quote]

The girls get a pass because 12-year old suburban girls of any color don’t make up a staggeringly overwhelming majority of the crime statistics in this country. It’s like anything else in life. People only criticize the way you operate when it clearly isn’t working for you. When you aren’t a problem people don’t give a fuck what you do.[/quote]
Applying that logic, such that it is, shouldn’t a white woman fear a white man more than a black man since white men rape more white women than black men rape women? Shouldn’t a white woman fear the white man she is out on a date with more than a random black man? Should I fear the white banker I deal with more than some kid in saggy jeans and a hoody when it comes to stealing my money? [/quote]

You don’t do very well with statistics do you?

More in absolute total for a group <> statistically more likely for an individual from that group

You’d still need to do some math to get the likely percentage for an individual of that group.[/quote]
So since we know a white woman is more likely to be raped by not just a white man but a white man she knows what do those stats you mention have to do with it? If you want a white woman to make herself less likely to be the victim of rape, avoiding black men is not on the list. Not leaving her drink unattended but for the white guy she is talking to while she goes to the bathroom is much more important.

But to get back to the stats you refer to: is a white woman statistically more likely to come into contact with a black man or white man and, in what numbers? Is she more likely to be on a date with a black man or white man?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Why is a comment regarding white girls so offensive to some here yet all the ridiculous posts about how blacks dress are OK? [/quote]

Some here? I’m the one the commented.

The comment isn’t offensive. I took exception to your random interjections about how the assumptions being made are absurd, only to turn around and make the same assumptions about a different demographic.

Hence my “fuck that”.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I also live in the northeast, and there are plenty of toothless northeasterners also. I guess it depends how far northeast you are, and as funny as it is to make fun of West Virginian’s for marrying their sister who also is somehow their mother, its a joke.

Have you ever interacted with people down south? Yea, they call you a Yankee, but they are pretty damn cool once they realize you don’t look at them as “toothless cavemen.” That’s just as “racist” as thinking poorly of Black people just because they are Black. Its one of those things where each side is defensive until one side extends their hand in friendship. In the case of “race relations” most White people have extended their hands in friendship and many Black people have accepted. However there is still a large portion who harbor angst against people who never did jack to them. I imagine you are just being funny though.

Again, lets get back on topic.[/quote]
We call them Swamp Yankees. They are hillbillies that wear belts.

I met plenty of people from the South while at Basic. Obviously there were some cultural differences but I would guess that the % of douchebags was no different than the North. But I was living in NJ at the time so I was exposed to a lot of douchebags.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Why is a comment regarding white girls so offensive to some here yet all the ridiculous posts about how blacks dress are OK? [/quote]

Some here? I’m the one the commented.

The comment isn’t offensive. I took exception to your random interjections about how the assumptions being made are absurd, only to turn around and make the same assumptions about a different demographic.

Hence my “fuck that”. [/quote]
If it makes you feel better, the foreigner in me sees all of you Americans as thugs…and fat.

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Again, you are misunderstanding statistics. What are the chances she’ll be raped one person in a group of 100 black men, versus a group of 100 white men. If 40% of the black population has raped and 25% of white men have raped, then 40 out of those 100 black men have a chance they may try to rape her, and 25% of white men have a chance they may try to rape her. Chance has to do with percentage which is related to the amount of the existing population that has committed said act. It has nothing to do with total sums.

Just like you have a greater chance to get into a car accident than die in a plane crash. There are both more cars AND more accidents each year that occur from cars than there are planes and plane crashes. However, you have a greater chance of a heart disease than lung disease, but everyone has two lungs and only one heart. Risk is greater for heart disease bcause it occurs more often.

Now for the love of sanity, can we please stay on topic. If you want an explanation of stats, open a new thread. Also, the above was all for example, I didn’t check actual statistics. This nit-picking crap isn’t going to solve anything and we’ll end up on Part 50 in 6 months. I said this in part one, in part two, and now in part three.

We need to come to the conclusion -together - that there is a problem of violence in the Black community. We need to confirm that even though you dress like a thug it doesn’t make you a risk, but people profile because thugs dress like that - its called avoiding a potential issue. We need to confirm that there are as many racist Black people as White people - at least. We need to confirm that even though there are still some issues, the whole “race” issue is being blown out of proportion, small areas do not speak for the whole.

AND THEN, we need to come up with a solution on how to fix it - and move forward. This whole closed door “you won’t understand” is just crap. Every race has been oppressed in time at some point. All of the Blacks who were victims of slavery are now passed on as of 1970. Equal rights act occurred in the 1960’s-1970’s, 40 years ago. We are a generation separated and only those who were young kids during those times still remember them - and those aren’t the modern day gangsters. Folks in the teens to early 30’s are, they weren’t alive for it, so the issue lies elsewhere.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
I take it you are a sabra not a import… I can understand your view now… things are different hear we dont have entire boardering nations trying to kill us… Here comes honey boo boo is realty TV show here rednecks and WASPy peabrains love… Aka the same folks that dont like Jews [/quote]

You really need to go read the statistics on anti-Jewish hate crimes.

The perps are: muslims (of all races), followed by blacks (of all creeds), followed by, well, nobody statistically relevant, but typically some sort of Aryan wanna-be from some prison gang who are just trouble to everyone.

The biggest allies in the USA of the Jewish people are . . . . Southern Christians, who are overwhelmingly supporting of the Jewish people and of the nation of Israel.

Are they annoying? Do they have odd theology? Will they attempt to convert you?

Yes. Yes. Yes.

I really don’t care about their theology. It’s just refreshing to have someone who doesn’t want to kill me.[/quote]

You can look at all the satistics you want but as a Jewish kid that lived in Georgia for about 5 years I can promise you it aint all that friendly. They will treat you better then blacks or Mexicans but you are still 2nd class. We moved to GA from NYC and when my dad protested the annual KKK march he got death threats. The nice southern jews didnt rais a finger to help out they just stood by when the Klan burned a cross in our front yard. Needless to say we moved away to DC a year later and never went back to the local temple. If you really think the south is open minded and fair take a family trip through the small towns of Alabama, Georgia, and Ol Miss. But make sure to bone up on your Krav Maga you may need it
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Every area in the country has stupid close-minded people. You are making it seem like the south holds all the bigots. I have not seen any of this you talk about and I regularly visit Ole Miss, Georgia, and Alabama.[/quote]

Not everyone in the deep south is a bigot but there sure is a large concentration of them there. Also the racisim their is much more scary and out in the open. If you havent seen it then Im happy for you becuase it is straight up evil. Where I lived private schools wouldnt let in blacks or other ethnic groups, private pools wouldnt allow blacks. Certain pools wouldnt let blacks & minorities swim there. Hell we had to convince the local private pool my brother was white since he was a typicall olive skinned curly haired jewish kid so we could swim. When you live in a town where racisim is tolerated and its hard to believe other neer by towns are all that different. If Im wrong great but one things for sure I would never take my black wife or mixed kids through that area. Flying into Disny world is it for me. Take a trip through good ol Forsyth GA if you want the full expierence.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Again, you are misunderstanding statistics. What are the chances she’ll be raped one person in a group of 100 black men, versus a group of 100 white men. If 40% of the black population has raped and 25% of white men have raped, then 40 out of those 100 black men have a chance they may try to rape her, and 25% of white men have a chance they may try to rape her. Chance has to do with percentage which is related to the amount of the existing population that has committed said act. It has nothing to do with total sums.

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Ahhh, but how likely is it that a white woman will come into contact with the same number of black men as white? Seriously, if a white woman is faced with a group of 100 black men she is either a prison guard or filming a porno.

I understand stats, I just like to put them through the reality filter.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

This is more like it. (In real life you wouldn’t likely see the guns.) I would suggest not fucking with Russian Mafia… I’ve seen what happens to a shop lifter, lol. [/quote]

But what makes those guys ‘‘thugs’’? Would you think they were thugs had you passed them walking down the streets (minus the cloth hiding their faces of course)? Would you consider them ‘‘thugs’’, hadn’t you seen them with their guns?

I see nothing with the way they’re dressed (well, minus the cloth) that suggests those guys are up to no good. Shit, even Will Smith used to dress that way back in the 90s and he’s one of the tamest rappers out there.

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Holly bejesus I had no idea DarkNinjaa was such a sizzling hot soul sista # oy-vay

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Why is a comment regarding white girls so offensive to some here yet all the ridiculous posts about how blacks dress are OK? [/quote]

Some here? I’m the one the commented.

The comment isn’t offensive. I took exception to your random interjections about how the assumptions being made are absurd, only to turn around and make the same assumptions about a different demographic.

Hence my “fuck that”. [/quote]
If it makes you feel better, the foreigner in me sees all of you Americans as thugs…and fat. [/quote]

haha.

The point being, I guess, is that girl you describe may very well be a slut. She could be some chick that loves to bone, and loves to let everyone know she loves it. He story might also be much more complicated. So don’t get all indignant about the use of thug, and turn around and do the same thing you are indignant at.

We all have bias, we all have different filters. I get that. I don’t even really take issue with your statement in and of itself, however in the context of the thread, I thought it would be a good point to make.

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Where I lived private schools wouldnt let in blacks or other ethnic groups, private pools wouldnt allow blacks. Certain pools wouldnt let blacks & minorities swim there. [/quote]

Links?

I can’t believe this isn’t a national outrage…

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

This is more like it. (In real life you wouldn’t likely see the guns.) I would suggest not fucking with Russian Mafia… I’ve seen what happens to a shop lifter, lol. [/quote]

But what makes those guys ‘‘thugs’’? Would you think they were thugs had you passed them walking down the streets (minus the cloth hiding their faces of course)? Would you consider them ‘‘thugs’’, hadn’t you seen them with their guns?

I see nothing with the way they’re dressed (well, minus the cloth) that suggests those guys are up to no good. Shit, even Will Smith used to dress that way back in the 90s and he’s one of the tamest rappers out there.

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Holly bejesus I had no idea DarkNinjaa was such a sizzling hot soul sista # oy-vay
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DarkNinjaa is a he, not a she. He’s already admitted as much in another thread.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Ahhh, but how likely is it that a white woman will come into contact with the same number of black men as white? Seriously, if a white woman is faced with a group of 100 black men she is either a prison guard or filming a porno.

I understand stats, I just like to put them through the reality filter. [/quote]

Do you realize the stupidity of your statement, or do I need to define it for you? Choose any city that has equal share of White people and Black people. Or choose any city where the Black demographic outweighs the White demographic… now the White female all of a sudden interacts with more Black people than White people because she is a minority.

Again I’ll state, please stop.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Where I lived private schools wouldnt let in blacks or other ethnic groups, private pools wouldnt allow blacks. Certain pools wouldnt let blacks & minorities swim there. [/quote]

Links?

I can’t believe this isn’t a national outrage…[/quote]

That’s because he’s probably talking about Israel, which is another bastion of racism.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Where I lived private schools wouldnt let in blacks or other ethnic groups, private pools wouldnt allow blacks. Certain pools wouldnt let blacks & minorities swim there. [/quote]

Links?

I can’t believe this isn’t a national outrage…[/quote]

Im not sure it would have made any national news as the entire town seemed to be cool with it back then. Where I lived the whites and blacks lived in seperate parts of town and really didnt mix. I lived in Rome GA in the early 80’s and these things were just part of life. I’ll ask my mom the name of the pool and see if anything pops up on the net. Im pretty sure the KKK still has a annual march their but I havent been back since 1986 when my dad got fired for being such a “upity jew” Im sure things are probably better now now but I still woudnt go back.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sagging pants are a big thing in my community. The only people who would see that STYLE AND TREND as criminal would be people who don’t even try to understand the culture.

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I don’t see it as criminal, I see it as retarded. How soon until pants are sagging in the front and kids are walking around with their junk hanging out and anyone who criticizes is deemed racist when in fact we just don’t like looking at other people’s junk?[/quote]

But…you’re old. They said the same thing about Elvis in the 50’s.

Wow…youth doing something rebellious…the horror.

Good thing only BLACK PEOPLE do things like that.[/quote]

I had to laugh at this. Seriously, X? You’re discrediting what he said just because he’s old. Dude, YOU’RE old. You’re like 37 or some shit. You need to stop acting like you are part of the younger generation. You really probably don’t know shit about what’s in vogue. Quit living like you are still some young gun who is down with the times. You’re an old man. Come to terms with it. It just irks me that you continually try and speak for my generation when you aren’t even a part of it. You’re not as worldly and cultured as you act.

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@Bauber-You’re good people and I agree with a bunch of what you’ve been saying. I will say, however, that I think you are wasting your time trying so hard to stay cool with X. You have to realize that he won’t be as civil towards you as you’ve been with him. That’s just how he is…

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sagging pants are a big thing in my community. The only people who would see that STYLE AND TREND as criminal would be people who don’t even try to understand the culture.

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I don’t see it as criminal, I see it as retarded. How soon until pants are sagging in the front and kids are walking around with their junk hanging out and anyone who criticizes is deemed racist when in fact we just don’t like looking at other people’s junk?[/quote]

But…you’re old. They said the same thing about Elvis in the 50’s.

Wow…youth doing something rebellious…the horror.

Good thing only BLACK PEOPLE do things like that.[/quote]

I had to laugh at this. Seriously, X? You’re discrediting what he said just because he’s old. Dude, YOU’RE old. You’re like 37 or some shit. You need to stop acting like you are part of the younger generation. You really probably don’t know shit about what’s in vogue. Quit living like you are still some young gun who is down with the times. You’re an old man. Come to terms with it. It just irks me that you continually try and speak for my generation when you aren’t even a part of it. You’re not as worldly and cultured as you act.
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I had to laugh at this. This, as in, your post. If 37 is old what is 23? Middle-aged? You’re a middle-aged man.