[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
And no one has yet to explain how wearing sagging pants makes one a ‘‘thug’’.[/quote]
Alright, I’ll fucking bite on this one. First off, “thug” can mean several different things. I usually think of someone who has nothing going for them when I think of “thug”. Others think more along the lines of criminality. Either way, “thugs” generally are pieces of shit. All thugs are pieces of shit but not all pieces of shit are thugs. Pieces of shit with nothing going for them (no job, no legal source of income, etc) are thugs.
So when I see someone wearing pants that are sagging to the point where their entire ass is hanging out and all that shit, I think of the word “thug”. Perhaps this person actually does have a nice job and all that shit, but I doubt it. Think about WHY people sag their pants in the first place. It’s not really a fashion statement as much as it is an overtly transgressive act. It’s a way to say “fuck off, I don’t want to fit in and my way of being an ‘individual’ is to act transgressively.” Someone with that mindset simply doesn’t give a fuck.
And let’s not forget where sagging originates as a fashion trend. It didn’t come out of the pages of GQ or the streets of Paris or Milan. It comes directly from the prison system. So someone who aggressively sags their pants is not only acting in a transgressive manner, they are also essentially embracing the prison system mentality by actively trying to look like someone in prison. The obvious implication is that there is something “cool” in that person’s mind about prison life.
Of course, there are different levels of sagging. But the exaggerated style of sagging most prevalent amongst the sort of people who also have the “thug” label attached to them is a direct descendant of the style that originated in prison. So, if your way of individualizing your style of dress is to sag your pants to a level well below the top of your fucking ass crack AND you wear your shirt in such a style that it completely reveals the underwear you have on underneath your sagging pants you’re a fucking thug. What else would you call someone who embraces a style of dress directly from prison?
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
spreadsheet. AWESOME.
you engineer you.[/quote]
inorite? (Am I doing the text talk correct?)
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
spreadsheet. AWESOME.
you engineer you.[/quote]
inorite? (Am I doing the text talk correct?)[/quote]
ur doin it right
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Having said that, what excuse do 12 year old white suburban girls who dress like streetwalkers have when they do have someone that should know better in their lives? [/quote]
That is quite the assumption now isn’t it?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Having said that, what excuse do 12 year old white suburban girls who dress like streetwalkers have when they do have someone that should know better in their lives? [/quote]
That is quite the assumption now isn’t it?[/quote]
The girls get a pass because 12-year old suburban girls of any color don’t make up a staggeringly overwhelming majority of the crime statistics in this country. It’s like anything else in life. People only criticize the way you operate when it clearly isn’t working for you. When you aren’t a problem people don’t give a fuck what you do.
I know my sister didn’t dress like a slut at age 12, or ever, nor my girlfriend, ever, nor many other girls/women. Maybe its just bad parenting? You know, like the same bad parenting that allows minors to handle firearms alone, take pictures using said gun, and throw them on Facebook.
I can’t wait for my spreadsheet to be ignored like all of the other factual information I’ve posted. After all, it makes more sense to attack subjective commentary than facts. Hell, the FBI must be lying about their statistics.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Having said that, what excuse do 12 year old white suburban girls who dress like streetwalkers have when they do have someone that should know better in their lives? [/quote]
That is quite the assumption now isn’t it?[/quote]
This whole thread reeks of it so it’s OK.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Having said that, what excuse do 12 year old white suburban girls who dress like streetwalkers have when they do have someone that should know better in their lives? [/quote]
That is quite the assumption now isn’t it?[/quote]
The girls get a pass because 12-year old suburban girls of any color don’t make up a staggeringly overwhelming majority of the crime statistics in this country. It’s like anything else in life. People only criticize the way you operate when it clearly isn’t working for you. When you aren’t a problem people don’t give a fuck what you do.[/quote]
Applying that logic, such that it is, shouldn’t a white woman fear a white man more than a black man since white men rape more white women than black men rape white women? Shouldn’t a white woman fear the white man she is out on a date with more than a random black man? Should I fear the white banker I deal with more than some kid in saggy jeans and a hoody when it comes to stealing my money?
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
You know, like the same bad parenting that allows minors to handle firearms alone, take pictures using said gun, and throw them on Facebook.
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I think you just described the average kid from south of the Mason-Dixon line, of any color.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Having said that, what excuse do 12 year old white suburban girls who dress like streetwalkers have when they do have someone that should know better in their lives? [/quote]
That is quite the assumption now isn’t it?[/quote]
The girls get a pass because 12-year old suburban girls of any color don’t make up a staggeringly overwhelming majority of the crime statistics in this country. It’s like anything else in life. People only criticize the way you operate when it clearly isn’t working for you. When you aren’t a problem people don’t give a fuck what you do.[/quote]
Applying that logic, such that it is, shouldn’t a white woman fear a white man more than a black man since white men rape more white women than black men rape women? Shouldn’t a white woman fear the white man she is out on a date with more than a random black man? Should I fear the white banker I deal with more than some kid in saggy jeans and a hoody when it comes to stealing my money? [/quote]
You don’t do very well with statistics do you?
More in absolute total for a group <> statistically more likely for an individual from that group
You’d still need to do some math to get the likely percentage for an individual of that group.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Having said that, what excuse do 12 year old white suburban girls who dress like streetwalkers have when they do have someone that should know better in their lives? [/quote]
That is quite the assumption now isn’t it?[/quote]
This whole thread reeks of it so it’s OK. [/quote]
Oh right, and entire 3 threads who’s major theme has been the improper assumptions people make about others, particularly about race, but it cool for you to blatantly do it?
Fuck that.
But because of “dat der privilege” you can just assume this person’s life is wonderful and she has everything she needs in life, even though style of dress, as you have presented, is more likely than not a cry for attention from a “father” that “works” 70 hours a week (really just 40, and the other 30 is spent fucking his mistress), and a “mother” who is too loaded on cheap gin and Zanex to notice?
You are literally no better than those you have been speaking out against. Therefore part of the problem. But it’s cool, because everyone else does it? Personification of the entire point of this argument, in one post… Well done.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
You know, like the same bad parenting that allows minors to handle firearms alone, take pictures using said gun, and throw them on Facebook.
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I think you just described the average kid from south of the Mason-Dixon line, of any color. [/quote]
Sad
There you go then. Perhaps the problem is bad influence from the parents, and many parents need to stop dicking around and pay more attention to their kids? And I’ve never known any “Southern Boys” to post “gangsta” pics to Facebook, they are usually too busy hunting, fishing, or outside to do that crap. But that’s my personal experience with them. Guns in my family were locked away and I was told if I ever touched them I’d have every bone in my hand broken. Maybe a bit rough, but it got the point across. Parents do a poor job anymore, and its apparent. If you want to discuss it, start a new thread.
I believe this one is about how the implications of race give some fair treatment while others are still persecuted on false pretense.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
You know, like the same bad parenting that allows minors to handle firearms alone, take pictures using said gun, and throw them on Facebook.
[/quote]
I think you just described the average kid from south of the Mason-Dixon line, of any color. [/quote]
Sad[/quote]
Not really. Responsible parents that teach and handle firearms appropriately to their children at a young enough age have little to fear with a minor handling it.
I have met a 14 year old girl that was better than most grown men I know with a firearm recently. Her father had a 22 in her hands around 10 years old.
Now none of these people are posting pics on facebook, which is moronic, but having a firearm in and of itself isn’t a problem, nor is the age of people holding it.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
It’s not really a fashion statement as much as it is an overtly transgressive act. It’s a way to say “fuck off, I don’t want to fit in and my way of being an ‘individual’ is to act transgressively.” Someone with that mindset simply doesn’t give a fuck.
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Where you see a lot of people dressing that way, the way to be an individual and not fit in, is to not dress that way. Now, someone shows up to a job or college interview like that then they are saying that they don’t care or they just don’t know any better but, if they didn’t care they wouldn’t be showing up at all. I saw this firsthand. I saw a man dressed in a suit that said pimp while working at a job that required contact with a wide variety of the public and for which he represented the US govt. He wasn’t a pimp and didn’t want to project that image. He just had no fashion sense outside of where he was from.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Having said that, what excuse do 12 year old white suburban girls who dress like streetwalkers have when they do have someone that should know better in their lives? [/quote]
That is quite the assumption now isn’t it?[/quote]
This whole thread reeks of it so it’s OK. [/quote]
Oh right, and entire 3 threads who’s major theme has been the improper assumptions people make about others, particularly about race, but it cool for you to blatantly do it?
Fuck that.
But because of “dat der privilege” you can just assume this person’s life is wonderful and she has everything she needs in life, even though style of dress, as you have presented, is more likely than not a cry for attention from a “father” that “works” 70 hours a week (really just 40, and the other 30 is spent fucking his mistress), and a “mother” who is too loaded on cheap gin and Zanex to notice?
You are literally no better than those you have been speaking out against. Therefore part of the problem. But it’s cool, because everyone else does it? Personification of the entire point of this argument, in one post… Well done. [/quote]
Did I say it was cool for me to do it?
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Having said that, what excuse do 12 year old white suburban girls who dress like streetwalkers have when they do have someone that should know better in their lives? [/quote]
That is quite the assumption now isn’t it?[/quote]
This whole thread reeks of it so it’s OK. [/quote]
Oh right, and entire 3 threads who’s major theme has been the improper assumptions people make about others, particularly about race, but it cool for you to blatantly do it?
Fuck that.
But because of “dat der privilege” you can just assume this person’s life is wonderful and she has everything she needs in life, even though style of dress, as you have presented, is more likely than not a cry for attention from a “father” that “works” 70 hours a week (really just 40, and the other 30 is spent fucking his mistress), and a “mother” who is too loaded on cheap gin and Zanex to notice?
You are literally no better than those you have been speaking out against. Therefore part of the problem. But it’s cool, because everyone else does it? Personification of the entire point of this argument, in one post… Well done. [/quote]
Did I say it was cool for me to do it? [/quote]
So now you are going to play semantic games?
You said it was “OK”. How else was that supposed to be taken?
Why don’t you guys stay focused to the topic instead of derailing it. Gives others a great "excuse’ to miss solid material to which they will “unintentionally” miss it.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
There you go then. Perhaps the problem is bad influence from the parents, and many parents need to stop dicking around and pay more attention to their kids? And I’ve never known any “Southern Boys” to post “gangsta” pics to Facebook, they are usually too busy hunting, fishing, or outside to do that crap. But that’s my personal experience with them. Guns in my family were locked away and I was told if I ever touched them I’d have every bone in my hand broken. Maybe a bit rough, but it got the point across. Parents do a poor job anymore, and its apparent. If you want to discuss it, start a new thread.
I believe this one is about how the implications of race give some fair treatment while others are still persecuted on false pretense.[/quote]
I’m just going by the profile we in the Northeast have of the South. To us, they are all toothless cavemen.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
You know, like the same bad parenting that allows minors to handle firearms alone, take pictures using said gun, and throw them on Facebook.
[/quote]
I think you just described the average kid from south of the Mason-Dixon line, of any color. [/quote]
Sad[/quote]
Not really. Responsible parents that teach and handle firearms appropriately to their children at a young enough age have little to fear with a minor handling it.
I have met a 14 year old girl that was better than most grown men I know with a firearm recently. Her father had a 22 in her hands around 10 years old.
Now none of these people are posting pics on facebook, which is moronic, but having a firearm in and of itself isn’t a problem, nor is the age of people holding it. [/quote]
Yeah I was one of those kids. I was using guns at 10 and hunting at 12, but IMO kids should still not be unsupervised using guns. Why? Because they are kids.