Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Serious question. If parents were in such a mourning state, why did the mother trademark her son’s name before or during the trial?

I know my mother would not put that at the top of her list (or even on her list) if I were in fact to die.

Also, the pictures provide a possible indication of the character of the individual. Wasn’t there also a picture where he had a handgun? Isn’t it illegal to own a handgun before the age of 21 - it is in my state, maybe not the case in Florida, I don’t know. If it wasn’t his, let’s assume it was his parents’ gun. Shows a lack of responsible parent care for their son to 1) have the gun in possession and 2) to be posting photos of him with the gun “gangsta” style.

I know for a fact I didn’t do any of the above as a teen/young adult. Many children don’t. Only wannabe’s, try hard’s, and scum. Pick which one the deceased was, I won’t judge either way.

Kindly tell me why this is about race? The instructor who taught Zimmerman the self-defense class was a black man. He seemed on good terms with Mr. Zimmerman, in fact, I believe he waved at him while on the stand. Let’s not try to make this a “race” thing, it shames all nationalities involved. Its the media that’s fed this idea. If you want it to be murder, let it be murder. If you want it to be profiling because a kid was wondering through a neighborhood dressed like a hoodlum at dusk/dark (in a neighborhood that had been recently having issues with theft) then so be it. If you want it to be that Zimmerman was an idiot, fine. But it has nothing to do with race.

One more item to consider. Wasn’t it two to three weekends ago there were some 30 murders/homicides in Detroit in one weekend? Why is no one upset about that? Why isn’t that all over the news? Is that an acceptable thing because it was more than likely crime committed by the same race against its own people? I see equal issue with any kind of killing/murder. But if it was self defense, and that’s what was found in court, then self defense it was. Perhaps we should remove emotion from the topic and think logically. There has been too much romanticism and exaggeration by the media for ratings, and I see way too many mis-informed people (on both sides) getting angry because they don’t know all the facts.

Also, and I think this has come up a few times. Are you female or male Ninjaa, because I am significantly confused by your posts. Not necessarily prudent for this conversation but it makes it hard to address you as I don’t know whether to say him/her, or he/she. No biggy either way.[/quote]

The clothes you wear, the music you listen to, or your choice of personal style doesnt give people the right to profile you and harass you. Taking pictures with a gun is dumb but it doesnt make you a killer. Being a dumbass teen doesnt make it ok to be hunted.

As far as black on black crime gose its obviouse no one in the U.S cares or has ever cared. I’ve lived in 2 cities with high black on black crime Washington DC & Kansas City No one gives enough of a shit to help. Look at Chicago now its a fucking warzone how many times does it make national news. But who cares its just thugs killing thugs right? You guys should stop being pussies and say what you really think… Travon was a thug and got what he deserved & white people should take the power back and stop taking shit off darkies…

Also WTF with all the international fucktards on here making comments??? Unless you live in the U.S your view of black white U.S relations & our gun problems is dog shit

People looting in LA stealing bikes and assaulting people they pass. Nice!!!

[quote]stefan128 wrote:
People looting in LA stealing bikes and assaulting people they pass. Nice!!! [/quote]

Its like a favorite past time for African Americans every time a white guy wrongs a black guy.

“Not guilty! That means im getting that new plasma after all!”

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

The clothes you wear, the music you listen to, or your choice of personal style doesnt give people the right to profile you and harass you. Taking pictures with a gun is dumb but it doesnt make you a killer. Being a dumbass teen doesnt make it ok to be hunted.

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Sure it does, if you are walking around town in a KKK robe you are going to be profiled. Harassing isn’t ok, but we are legally allowed to profile. So, dress like a thug, I am going to assume you are one.

Serious question; there have been over 200 murders in Chicago this year alone (mostly young black males killed by other blacks), according to the department of Justice 94% of all blacks murdered in the US are murdered by other blacks so why aren’t all these so called black leaders like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the Black Panthers speaking out about this? When a Spanish guy shoots a black man in self defense it becomes all about “evil racist” white people. It’s absolutely ridiculous !!

well its gona get better because there is a small riot in Crenshaw right now, news reports anyways. says they are just beating up strangers.

Ive been profiled twice overseas, at gun point, it happens.

This is interesting: Juror says Zimmerman went 'above and beyond' but that race was not an issue

Its cute, because I specifically brought up the mention of chaos and rampant lawlessness and murder in Detroit, a black dominated city. No one is covering it, note white OR black media. Hell, black folks don’t even protest it, they just let it lie.

So tell me, who is in the wrong here? Is it the “white man” destroying the black person’s image, or the black person? Why aren’t the blacks taking back Detroit from the bad folks - regardless of race?

And how you represent yourself IS how you are perceived. That is reality. That is life. You act like a thug, dress like a thug, talk like a thug, oh and wave a gun like a thug, then you will be taken as a thug - that is your goal after all?

I’m still waiting for someone to address my questions logically and not emotionally. Just admit it. If its a white person - regardless of 1% white or 100% white doing ANYTHING to someone of another race its racist/hate crime/slavers. If another race harms a white person - they got what they deserved. Its so sad that in 2013, people honestly believe this. Absolutely pitiful, truly. That is racism in its purest form. Men/women should be judged on what they’ve done, not on what they look like - isn’t that what Martin Luther King Jr. said? Wow, how it has come full circle.

Edit: Must be really difficult to riot/protest when you have a job to go to… rollseyes.

[quote]Konigswolf wrote:
Serious question; there have been over 200 murders in Chicago this year alone (mostly young black males killed by other blacks), according to the department of Justice 94% of all blacks murdered in the US are murdered by other blacks so why aren’t all these so called black leaders like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the Black Panthers speaking out about this? When a Spanish guy shoots a black man in self defense it becomes all about “evil racist” white people. It’s absolutely ridiculous !![/quote]

Once again:

I haven’t followed this thread all because I know how these threads all go but I had a few questions for those who are outraged by the verdict and are talking about all of te race stuff:

  1. What are your thoughts on former Florida congressman Col. Allen West?

  2. What are your thoughts on the brutal rape and murder of a white couple in Tennessee by 4 (i believe?) black individuals?

  3. What are your thoughts on the two black men who shot a white infant in the face with a pistol?

  4. What about the 10 black on black murders that happened this weekend alone in Chicago?

  5. Why have we not had any sort of national outcry or heard anything from the NAACP about any of that?

I do not want to argue with anyone but I would be interested in intelligent conversation.

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Its cute, because I specifically brought up the mention of chaos and rampant lawlessness and murder in Detroit, a black dominated city. No one is covering it, note white OR black media. Hell, black folks don’t even protest it, they just let it lie.

So tell me, who is in the wrong here? Is it the “white man” destroying the black person’s image, or the black person? Why aren’t the blacks taking back Detroit from the bad folks - regardless of race?

And how you represent yourself IS how you are perceived. That is reality. That is life. You act like a thug, dress like a thug, talk like a thug, oh and wave a gun like a thug, then you will be taken as a thug - that is your goal after all?

I’m still waiting for someone to address my questions logically and not emotionally. Just admit it. If its a white person - regardless of 1% white or 100% white doing ANYTHING to someone of another race its racist/hate crime/slavers. If another race harms a white person - they got what they deserved. Its so sad that in 2013, people honestly believe this. Absolutely pitiful, truly. That is racism in its purest form. Men/women should be judged on what they’ve done, not on what they look like - isn’t that what Martin Luther King Jr. said? Wow, how it has come full circle.

Edit: Must be really difficult to riot/protest when you have a job to go to… rollseyes.[/quote]

BINGO

By the way, we are now both racist in the eyes of everyone in this thread.

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Its cute, because I specifically brought up the mention of chaos and rampant lawlessness and murder in Detroit, [/quote]
There you go stereotyping my beautiful city.

Dark: You by far have one of the most impressive martial arts careers ive seen…and must be in your late 40s early 50s…
So you know what its like? Fantastic.

It was also raining…so possibly not tears in his eyes…hence the fucking hoodie. But like the other poster said, I imagine if a “kid” gets shot, crying may be on the agenda.

How are we gona say this is still so racial if Zimmermans parents are from Peru, also with black ancestry, and the dude marked Hispanic democrat on his voters registration?

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

The clothes you wear, the music you listen to, or your choice of personal style doesnt give people the right to profile you and harass you. Taking pictures with a gun is dumb but it doesnt make you a killer. Being a dumbass teen doesnt make it ok to be hunted.

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Sure it does, if you are walking around town in a KKK robe you are going to be profiled. Harassing isn’t ok, but we are legally allowed to profile. So, dress like a thug, I am going to assume you are one. [/quote]
Good point.
If I wear a KKK outfit - people will think I’m a KKK member
If I wear a dress and high heels down the street - people will think I’m gay/a cross dresser
If I wear pair of scrubs - people will think I’m a doctor/nurse

It’s a natural act to make your initial assessment of a stranger based on the only information you have and that is usually how they are dressed and how they act.

Classy.

Edit:

Happened a few years ago, never made the publicity this case did. Shooters were not White-Hispanic but how much more despicable??

Edit 2: I know most folks are sleeping now, its 1:41 am EST. I’ll wait until morning for someone to try to answer logically. I’m interested to see justification for why a 5 year old little black boy’s murder never made the publicity this case did?

Let me answer that for you ahead of time and save you the time - it didn’t fit the agenda of the media and those who want to influence the public. You can’t market and twist a black on black crime, who do you hunt, who do you point the finger at? Instead of being upset at this case’s defendant for being White-Hispanic and racist, the entirety of the US should be upset that the media and those involved are trying to use race to stir issues. They are utilizing a touchy subject to manipulate those who aren’t fully informed. That is the racist part of this whole debacle, that those in power are depending on the American people do divide and blame each other. That is what should be upsetting everyone, especially blacks - because they are being force-fed information to send you back into feelings of hate towards your peers.

There is no race issue anymore, there hasn’t been for some time. Yes, there are small groups of racist folks, on all sides, but you can’t fix everybody. The mass of the populus has no problem if you’re orange or purple. Its the few that ruin it for the many and as soon as people stand together and put off the bad fruit, the sooner this country can move forward and fix our real problems (not the ones the media creates) - poor economy, unemployment, education, and laziness.

If there’s racism its only because we allow the few to represent and intimidate the many. One KKK member makes all whites look like black-hating trash just like one black gang member makes all young black men who sag their pants real low and walk with a swagger look bad. Because to the masses you can’t tell the difference. So make the difference clear - stand as good people regardless of appearance against the bad people and draw a new line.

I’m officially done with this topic. Its shameful for folks to dwell and make something out of that which does not actually exist.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
I am upset that a mother and father had to lose their child in order for my black friends that do all the can to avoid being “black” to be reminded their and their kids lives have a much lower value then their counterparts.

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How in the world does the prosecution’s failure to prove its case amount to this?[/quote]

The prosecution would not have failed had the kid been white. Not because the evidence would’ve been different but because how they view it would’ve been different. You and other cohorts can act like you have no bias but you do, it’s evident years before this trial. I’ve seen enough posts to know. Your mindset is also the majority in America so those with your bias’s are more likely to be on a jury. A black kid that smokes marijuana will always be a thug, a white kid who smokes can be president one day. A thug was attacking Zimmerman, a white kid would’ve been defending himself. I’m pretty sure you’ll say all this is not true, but there’s decades of cases supporting this. Which all amounts to one thing, if someone goes out and kills a black person(regardless of race) there’s significantly less penalty then killing others except dark skin hispanic.

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lol. “the prosecution would not have failed had the kid been white.”

So if Trayvon was white, the prosecution would have proved Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon? (even though ALL of the forensic evidence, which is impartial btw, shows otherwise.) If Trayvon was white, the prosecution would have proved that it was his voice on the 911 call? (even though one the the black residents in the neighborhood testified that it was Zimmermans.) If Trayvon was white there would not have been blood on Zimmermans nose and back of his head? (even though the pictures show otherwise.)

Sorry man, race was not a factor in this case. However, the overwhelming evidence showing Zimmerman was not guilty was.

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

Damn you are ignorant. I haven’t read many of you’re posts but I hope you are joking. If not, damn you are ignorant.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

Damn you are ignorant. I haven’t read many of you’re posts but I hope you are joking. If not, damn you are ignorant.[/quote]
So much trolling in these threads

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

Thats the big picture that what everyone is missing. Probably becuase they arent ethnic or have ethnic kids. But in a nutshell as the father of a black kid its troubling to me. So in my gated comunity I should fear my son being harassed by a non-police officer with a gun. Worst of all my best advice I can give him is stand still if someone approaches with a gun just freeze and be nice. [/quote]

Well, tell your son that if he attacks a person to take him or her out quickly so if they have a gun on them they have no time to kill him. Also, if someone approaches your son and they are brandishing a gun I would tell him to scream and run like a fool all at once. The thing is most people carrying guns,people won’t ever know until it is too late. Everybody I know with a concealed carry makes sure to have it hidden so no one knows.

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
In what scenario would it have been ok for Zimmerman to shoot/kill treyvaughn ?

How far is that from what actually happened?

(I only heard a couple days ago that Zimmerman called police before getting out if his truck to approach Treyvaughn…I was on the fence about it before this, after I heard this…why not just stay in the truck and wait for police? What’s the harm in that you aren’t in any immediate threat)[/quote]

He has a job to do. People try to minimize his job as “wannabe Cop,” which it probably is, but god forbid he tries to do his job well. Just because you call the police doesn’t mean they show up right away. They have other things to deal with, hence why neighborhood watch was created in the first place. People call the cops on other people and they get away all the time because of late response times. Not talking shit about police, just saying their main priority is NOT a kid walking around suspicious in a hoodie. However, a kid walking around suspiciously in a hoodie IS the main priority for neighborhood watch. Which is probably why Zimmerman was following him.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Its cute, because I specifically brought up the mention of chaos and rampant lawlessness and murder in Detroit, a black dominated city. No one is covering it, note white OR black media. Hell, black folks don’t even protest it, they just let it lie.

So tell me, who is in the wrong here? Is it the “white man” destroying the black person’s image, or the black person? Why aren’t the blacks taking back Detroit from the bad folks - regardless of race?

And how you represent yourself IS how you are perceived. That is reality. That is life. You act like a thug, dress like a thug, talk like a thug, oh and wave a gun like a thug, then you will be taken as a thug - that is your goal after all?

I’m still waiting for someone to address my questions logically and not emotionally. Just admit it. If its a white person - regardless of 1% white or 100% white doing ANYTHING to someone of another race its racist/hate crime/slavers. If another race harms a white person - they got what they deserved. Its so sad that in 2013, people honestly believe this. Absolutely pitiful, truly. That is racism in its purest form. Men/women should be judged on what they’ve done, not on what they look like - isn’t that what Martin Luther King Jr. said? Wow, how it has come full circle.

Edit: Must be really difficult to riot/protest when you have a job to go to… rollseyes.[/quote]

BINGO

By the way, we are now both racist in the eyes of everyone in this thread.

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BINGOx2. I worked with a guy that moved from Detroit. Thing he told me were horrifying and I couldn’t believe I didn’t see it on the news daily. Towns with no cops responding due to financial issues. People having to board up their doors to protect themselves. I haven’t been there so I don’t know how factual this all is, but I sure don’t hear anything on the news to the contrary.