Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Its cute, because I specifically brought up the mention of chaos and rampant lawlessness and murder in Detroit, a black dominated city. No one is covering it, note white OR black media. Hell, black folks don’t even protest it, they just let it lie.

So tell me, who is in the wrong here? Is it the “white man” destroying the black person’s image, or the black person? Why aren’t the blacks taking back Detroit from the bad folks - regardless of race?

And how you represent yourself IS how you are perceived. That is reality. That is life. You act like a thug, dress like a thug, talk like a thug, oh and wave a gun like a thug, then you will be taken as a thug - that is your goal after all?

Men/women should be judged on what they’ve done, not on what they look like - isn’t that what Martin Luther King Jr. said?

BINGOx2. I worked with a guy that moved from Detroit. Thing he told me were horrifying and I couldn’t believe I didn’t see it on the news daily. Towns with no cops responding due to financial issues. People having to board up their doors to protect themselves. I haven’t been there so I don’t know how factual this all is, but I sure don’t hear anything on the news to the contrary.[/quote]

In case it hasn’t dawned on you it’s coming to a city and town near you.

The U.S. Federal Government is borrowing more money than any FIVE Super Power Nations could repay. It will end soon and there will be nothing for food stamps, free housing, free medical, free phones. .

It’s not pretty when mayors metro government managers can’t meet payrolls or pay other expenses. Class war follows and then there will be chaos.

The ignorant sheep will believe the lies that those that have worked hard and saved money are taking from them.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Its cute, because I specifically brought up the mention of chaos and rampant lawlessness and murder in Detroit, a black dominated city. No one is covering it, note white OR black media. Hell, black folks don’t even protest it, they just let it lie.

So tell me, who is in the wrong here? Is it the “white man” destroying the black person’s image, or the black person? Why aren’t the blacks taking back Detroit from the bad folks - regardless of race?

And how you represent yourself IS how you are perceived. That is reality. That is life. You act like a thug, dress like a thug, talk like a thug, oh and wave a gun like a thug, then you will be taken as a thug - that is your goal after all?

I’m still waiting for someone to address my questions logically and not emotionally. Just admit it. If its a white person - regardless of 1% white or 100% white doing ANYTHING to someone of another race its racist/hate crime/slavers. If another race harms a white person - they got what they deserved. Its so sad that in 2013, people honestly believe this. Absolutely pitiful, truly. That is racism in its purest form. Men/women should be judged on what they’ve done, not on what they look like - isn’t that what Martin Luther King Jr. said? Wow, how it has come full circle.

Edit: Must be really difficult to riot/protest when you have a job to go to… rollseyes.[/quote]

BINGO

By the way, we are now both racist in the eyes of everyone in this thread.

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BINGOx2. I worked with a guy that moved from Detroit. Thing he told me were horrifying and I couldn’t believe I didn’t see it on the news daily. Towns with no cops responding due to financial issues. People having to board up their doors to protect themselves. I haven’t been there so I don’t know how factual this all is, but I sure don’t hear anything on the news to the contrary.[/quote]

Here’s a vid about detroit police and how long it takes the to respond.
http://devour.com/video/waiting-on-the-detroit-police/

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I can’t believe that I have had some of my posts edited or removed in the past considering what has been allowed to be posted in this thread. It is absolutely appalling how much anti-white sentiment is being thrown around in here. Zimmerman wasn’t even Caucasian. I do mourn for the family of Martin, but all of this outright fanatical hate towards whites following recent events is sickening. As if what Zimmerman chose to do has anything to do with the white majority at all. Absolutely ridiculous; all of it.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

Didn’t a guy named O.J. murder a white woman and walk away a free man. Oh, wait he was found innocent by a court of law. He must not have done it. [/quote]

Yeah and how many OJs are out there?

Lol. I love it how OJ has become the ‘‘reason’’ why, the argument used in order to justify Zimmercunt being set free for murdering an unarmed innocent child.

I guess, it’s a payback for some white folks, uh? [/quote]

-thehebrewhero talks all kinds of shit about white people = okay

-USMC points out OJ got off = racist/excuse why Zimmerman was acquitted. No Zimmerman was acquitted because the prosecution sucks and tried too hard for murder and was more concerned about politics than justice, which is BS. It’s got nothing to do with payback, I was a child during the trial so, no I don’t really care much about it. It’s called an example.

@X: I agree society pressured, in a bad way, OJ. However, committing armed robbery is still on him, and either way, that’s not a failure on the legal system it’s an indictment on society if anything.

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

Didn’t a guy named O.J. murder a white woman and walk away a free man. Oh, wait he was found innocent by a court of law. He must not have done it. [/quote]

I think OJ did it not that it matters now. To me the whole thing isnt really about race but more gun violence and abuse of power. George should have stood down and let the cops do their job. Travon should have walked home and filed a complaint if he felt harassed. Both acted wrong. Sure George had a right to defend himself but he should have used restraint and not put himself in that situation.
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Zimmerman is a complete moron, but that moron obviously thought it was his duty to watch over that particular neighborhood.

Hind sight is 20/20. Do you really think Zimmerman thought his life would be in danger? If he knew Martin was going to literally be reigning blows down on him/slamming his head into the pavement would he have gotten out? My guess is no, dude seems like a total pussy, imo.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Ooooohhh boy.[/quote]

Yeah for Charm City. I like the, “It’s for Treyvon excuse,” cause this has never ever happened in this town before…

I’m fairly sure there hasn’t even been an arrest in the above case, maybe there has, I can’t remember. Where are the protests happening again?

Check this bad boy out.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Its cute, because I specifically brought up the mention of chaos and rampant lawlessness and murder in Detroit, a black dominated city. No one is covering it, note white OR black media. Hell, black folks don’t even protest it, they just let it lie.

So tell me, who is in the wrong here? Is it the “white man” destroying the black person’s image, or the black person? Why aren’t the blacks taking back Detroit from the bad folks - regardless of race?

And how you represent yourself IS how you are perceived. That is reality. That is life. You act like a thug, dress like a thug, talk like a thug, oh and wave a gun like a thug, then you will be taken as a thug - that is your goal after all?

I’m still waiting for someone to address my questions logically and not emotionally. Just admit it. If its a white person - regardless of 1% white or 100% white doing ANYTHING to someone of another race its racist/hate crime/slavers. If another race harms a white person - they got what they deserved. Its so sad that in 2013, people honestly believe this. Absolutely pitiful, truly. That is racism in its purest form. Men/women should be judged on what they’ve done, not on what they look like - isn’t that what Martin Luther King Jr. said? Wow, how it has come full circle.

Edit: Must be really difficult to riot/protest when you have a job to go to… rollseyes.[/quote]

BINGO

By the way, we are now both racist in the eyes of everyone in this thread.

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BINGOx2. I worked with a guy that moved from Detroit. Thing he told me were horrifying and I couldn’t believe I didn’t see it on the news daily. Towns with no cops responding due to financial issues. People having to board up their doors to protect themselves. I haven’t been there so I don’t know how factual this all is, but I sure don’t hear anything on the news to the contrary.[/quote]

Ever hear of East St. Louis or Ford City? I wouldnt have believed such places existed in the U.S. if i hadnt drove through them myself. Its mind-boggling to someone who hasnt had to live it, and those are by far, 2 of the absolute worst places to be in the U.S, yet many have likely never even heard of em.

Isnt it funny to think that journalism used to actually be a respectable profession?

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
So where did all of you get your law degrees from?

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Harvard. Overlapped one Barry Soetero in school, in fact.

And if you care to hunt down my posts, you’ll note the trial (and verdict) played out exactly as I predicted some 8 months or so ago, largely because of the over-charge by the prosecutors. (They should have led with manslaughter with a lesser included of negligent homicide, and then gotten negligent homicide — there was zero evidence of intent, and this blew any credibility they had with the jury. Instead, the chose to grandstand.)

I will also predict that the Justice Department will decline to press charges. The FBI report clearly states Zimmerman was not motivated by racial hate. If they do(and they might because of political pressure), it will turn into a bigger joke than this trial, given that the FBI will get up on the stand and end up being witnesses for the Defense.

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Regarding the verdict:

I am loathe to second-guess this jury or any jury for that matter. They saw the witnesses with their own eyes and could weigh things unfiltered. Dr. Dimao’s and the eye witness testimony all fit Mr. Zimmerman’s story.

Factually, what the jury believed is:

(A) Mr. Martin took umbridge because Mr. Zimmerman was an asshole, so Mr. Martin decided to kick Mr. Zimmerman’s ass and got shot instead

(B) Mr. Martin was a crook and decided to kick Mr. Zimmerman’s ass and got shot instead.

Under either scenario, Mr. Martin was the attacker.

Even under Scenario (A), Mr. Martin was in the wrong, legally.

Let’s assume that is the case, that Mr. Martin was pissed at being singled our by an over-zealous watch idiot. Well, the solution is to go home and file a complaint. It is not “go kick cracker’s ass.”

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Jewbacca

It had to have been option A. there was no evidence or testimony pointing to option B. offered by the defense throughout the entire trial. that’s why we’re talking about an innocent boy rather than some kind of criminal.

I don’t see it all that differently from scenario A as it goes. What boggles my mind is that this is a society that would allow a so called ‘man’ to get away without taking responsibility for that situation. It can be easily argued that Trayvon was standing his ground. I’m not saying he acted wisely, only that the law currently allows or even encourages deadly fights and then gives the benefit of the doubt to the victor. That’s a savage and pretty morally worthless way to run a society. When you combine it with the fact that you have a toy cop running around playing fucking guns and a kid who the public sees as potentially (or indeed on these forums definitely) criminal despite the fact he’s just going about his business… they make the USA look stupid.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

This deserves a read.[/quote]

Good article

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[quote]Shimmy wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Its cute, because I specifically brought up the mention of chaos and rampant lawlessness and murder in Detroit, a black dominated city. No one is covering it, note white OR black media. Hell, black folks don’t even protest it, they just let it lie.

So tell me, who is in the wrong here? Is it the “white man” destroying the black person’s image, or the black person? Why aren’t the blacks taking back Detroit from the bad folks - regardless of race?

And how you represent yourself IS how you are perceived. That is reality. That is life. You act like a thug, dress like a thug, talk like a thug, oh and wave a gun like a thug, then you will be taken as a thug - that is your goal after all?

I’m still waiting for someone to address my questions logically and not emotionally. Just admit it. If its a white person - regardless of 1% white or 100% white doing ANYTHING to someone of another race its racist/hate crime/slavers. If another race harms a white person - they got what they deserved. Its so sad that in 2013, people honestly believe this. Absolutely pitiful, truly. That is racism in its purest form. Men/women should be judged on what they’ve done, not on what they look like - isn’t that what Martin Luther King Jr. said? Wow, how it has come full circle.

Edit: Must be really difficult to riot/protest when you have a job to go to… rollseyes.[/quote]

BINGO

By the way, we are now both racist in the eyes of everyone in this thread.

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BINGOx2. I worked with a guy that moved from Detroit. Thing he told me were horrifying and I couldn’t believe I didn’t see it on the news daily. Towns with no cops responding due to financial issues. People having to board up their doors to protect themselves. I haven’t been there so I don’t know how factual this all is, but I sure don’t hear anything on the news to the contrary.[/quote]

Here’s a vid about detroit police and how long it takes the to respond.
http://devour.com/video/waiting-on-the-detroit-police/
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A buddy of mine is a copper in Detroit. One of his favorite sayings is “There’s no such thing as a misdemeanor in the D”.

He also told me about a case involving a white guy who happened to be an off duty cop who was shot in his car while parked after making a purchase at an auto parts store. He was shot by a young black male who tapped the pistol on the car window and fired two shots when the man looked at him. He survived, but was told by police that he was shot because the young boy was being initiated into a gang and was ordered to shoot a white person. That last part never made the news, as police wouldn’t release that detail.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

You really piss me off most times[/quote]

haha. Given your personality (as much as can be gathered from online posts) I can’t help but take this as a compliment. Thanks

(For the record, I find you too interesting to really get pissed. I originally wanted to use the word peculiar rather than interesting, but I don’t what this to come off insulting, and peculiar may.)

Thank you.

[quote]What now?

I’m taking my business out of Miami first.[/quote]

This is reasonable given your feelings, and I actually think actions such as these are more powerful than any protest in a big picture sense.

You are free to make this choice, for whatever reason you see fit, and I would give my life for you or anyone to have that freedom, irrelevant if I agreed with your reasons or not.

Personally I would have recommended that all Americans that are comfortable doing so exercise their constitutionally protected Rights. Waiting for tragic situations like this to act upon that which you are free and desire to do can be counter productive.

[quote] This unfortunate incident will perhaps be the catalyst to get people in correcting inequities in the judicial system.

Fuck, maybe not!

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Correction is an ongoing process and takes time. Things are better than they were in the past in that regard. They are not perfect, they may not even be good, but the direction is there. Fixing system wide, government sanctioned ills takes quite a few generations.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

You are dedebating like a child.

Look at the definition of 2 nd degree murder, that was what the prosecution tried to make stick.

Plus, if your definition of racial equality is that people are locked up for life justr because a mob of whatever color is howling for blood I do indeed not care for it one bit. [/quote]

And you’re debating like a fucking Austrian who doesn’t give a fuck about a black American child killed by a happy trigger white asshole, who got away with it!

Did you follow the trial at all? Did you know the prosecution actually brought Manslaughter charges toward the end? The jury had three options and they went for acquittal.

Yes, the prosecution fucked it up with 2nd degree murder, but Manslaughter was there to be grasped. Zimcunt didn’t have to spend his life in prison as justice for Trayvon Martin. Zimfat could have spent 15-20 years in jail with no chance of parole, but even that option was ignored by the fucking jury.

But the fuck should you care, O? It’s not your precious white child who was fucking shot dead and the murderer let go. You don’t have to fucking worry about the future of black kids walking around and being followed and killed by some happy trigger cunt, who can then later just claim he stood his fucking ground.

Fuck that, you don’t even have a child!

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All emoting aside, when they went for manslaughter, they already had burned through a lot of goodwill.

Other than that:

The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice. The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.

Given that noone actually saw what happened and the Stand your Ground laws, what should the verdict have been?

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http://rare.us/story/nugent-zimmerman-verdict-vindicates-citizen-patrols-self-defense/

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Its cute, because I specifically brought up the mention of chaos and rampant lawlessness and murder in Detroit, a black dominated city. No one is covering it, note white OR black media. Hell, black folks don’t even protest it, they just let it lie.

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Uhh maybe because it is bullshit. I live thirty miles from Detroit and this is the first I heard about those thirty murders.

No one denies Detroit is messed up but if you think it doesn’t get covered in the press you’re delusional.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
In what scenario would it have been ok for Zimmerman to shoot/kill treyvaughn ?

How far is that from what actually happened?

(I only heard a couple days ago that Zimmerman called police before getting out if his truck to approach Treyvaughn…I was on the fence about it before this, after I heard this…why not just stay in the truck and wait for police? What’s the harm in that you aren’t in any immediate threat)[/quote]

He has a job to do. People try to minimize his job as “wannabe Cop,” which it probably is, but god forbid he tries to do his job well. Just because you call the police doesn’t mean they show up right away. They have other things to deal with, hence why neighborhood watch was created in the first place. People call the cops on other people and they get away all the time because of late response times. Not talking shit about police, just saying their main priority is NOT a kid walking around suspicious in a hoodie. However, a kid walking around suspiciously in a hoodie IS the main priority for neighborhood watch. Which is probably why Zimmerman was following him. [/quote]

He was not on duty and FORBIDDEN from carrying when on duty.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]stefan128 wrote:
People looting in LA stealing bikes and assaulting people they pass. Nice!!! [/quote]

Its like a favorite past time for African Americans every time a white guy wrongs a black guy.

“Not guilty! That means im getting that new plasma after all!”[/quote]

I know right?

There are even some whites who love to join the fun too. Hell yeaah!!! Eg: that white guy who snatched one of the reporters’ phone as she was covering the riots. Funny enough, the black crowd caught the culprit and then, returned the phone to her. Hahahaha! Fucking awesome.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
… So, dress like a thug, I am going to assume you are one. [/quote]

Even when the person dressing like a thug is white, I hope.

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[quote]Konigswolf wrote:
Serious question; there have been over 200 murders in Chicago this year alone (mostly young black males killed by other blacks), according to the department of Justice 94% of all blacks murdered in the US are murdered by other blacks so why aren’t all these so called black leaders like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the Black Panthers speaking out about this? When a Spanish guy shoots a black man in self defense it becomes all about “evil racist” white people. It’s absolutely ridiculous !![/quote]

And according to the department of Justice,86% of white victims are killed by white offenders.

Not such a large margin compare to black on black crime, eh? What are your white leaders doing about it?

But as they saiy, ‘‘When White People are murdered by Blacks…no one requires that White people discuss ‘‘White on White’’ crime as an elixir.’’

Black-on-black crime is no more real than white-on-white crime. The victims usually share a racial id, or have some prior relationship to each other, because most of the time, Crime is driven by opportunism and proximity.

Blacks are more likely to be robbed, or injured, or killed by other blacks who live in the same area as each other. Blacks are still more likely to live near each other or other minorities than they are to whites. And when we reverse the races, whites are much more likely to live near other whites than they are to minorities and blacks in particular.

But this black on black crime argument has become some deflection from a case that has nothing to do with it. Offenders in those crimes are being dealt with, and of course, since no one is chanting on top of the roofs about it, how would you know the black community is not dealing with it? the offenders are mostly arrested and jailed for a very long time. It is almost never the case when the offender is white and the victim black. Usually, the white party gets away with it.

Case in point; Ziimfatkilla.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:
… So, dress like a thug, I am going to assume you are one. [/quote]

Even when the person dressing like a thug is white, I hope.
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Abso-fucking-lutly.

It has been my experience the white males looking to get into a set that typically draws lines along racial or cultural boarders are much more likely to go “above and beyond” for acceptance.

WHite girls seem to be much more quickly and easily accepted however, at least by the males. Other women aren’t as quick to not get pissed.

That said, of all the truly grimy motherfuckers I’ve met, you’d never know it based on how they dress or what they drive.

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I feel like a scumbag for making fun on Rachel after seeing her latest interview…