Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

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[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
and Hispanic = white now. hahahahahaha!![/quote]

I think that technically TB is right. Hispanic is a culture not a race.

james
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Meanwhile, in the real world

Disparate Treatment: Inconsistent application of rules and policies to one group of people over another. Discrimination may result when rules and policies are applied differently to members of protected classes. Disciplining Hispanic and Afro-American employees for tardiness, while ignoring tardiness among other employees, is an example of disparate treatment. Such inconsistent application of rules often leads to complaints.

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Protected class, mentioned separate from whites. Therefore, you know, not white…

more:

Discrimination: Any act or failure to act, impermissibly based in whole or in part on a person’s race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, physical or mental handicap,

Ethnic Group: A group of people who share a common religion, color, or national origin. Irish-Americans, Mexican-Americans, German-Americans, Italian-Americans, Hindus, Moslems, and Jews are examples of ethnic groups. Some members of ethnic groups participate in the customs and practices of their groups, while others do not. Discrimination based on these customs and practices may be illegal under EEO law. See Minority.

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Minority: The smaller part of a group. A group within a country or state that differs in race, religion or national origin from the dominant group. According to EEOC guidelines, minority is used to mean four particular groups who share a race, color or national origin.
These groups are: American Indian or Alaskan Native. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North America, and who maintain their culture through a tribe or community.
Asian or Pacific Islander. A person having origins in any of the original people of the Far East, Southeast Asia, India, or the Pacific Islands. These areas include, for example, China, India, Korea, the Philippine Islands, and Samoa.
Black (except Hispanic). A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.
Hispanic. A person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Central or South American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.

So which is it. Are they white or are they a minority?

Hispanic may not be a “race”, but I’ll be damned if any Hispanic other than Zimmerman and this jury is considered “white” by most reasonable people in the real world.

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[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
This thread has become a pissing contest.

DN is not talking anymore but rather running a monologue. If I had to base my opinion on black people off you I’d be a racist, fortunately I have many black friends who are upstanding people that I respect. [/quote]

Your first post here and you just talk about me? What about the rest of the black posters who’ve had a take on the issue?

Is it because you can’t stand my opinions? Is it because I won’t back down and I am not scared to offend you and say things that make you uncomfortable? Is it because I won’t chuck and jive like the rest of your black ‘‘friends’’?

I couldn’t give one thousands of fucks about your fucking opinion of me. I won’t lose sleep over it. You’re a fucking irrelevant internet entity. You should see me the same and stop being affected by the shit I write on here.

Put me on ignore if the stench of my shit offends you that much.

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[quote]GivehertheD wrote:

-“Warning shots” or brandishing a weapon are not covered under the stand your ground statue. If she felt like she was in immediate danger of serious bodily harm she could have shot him dead, that would have been self defense.
She only caught the 20 because she rejected a plea deal of 3 years (that could have been put up for parole bc of no priors) for discharging a firearm in a residential area.
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Speaking of shitty laws…That law right there is piss poor. I would like to see that changed. Or at least the mandatory clause dropped–it unwarrantedly punishes a person who is attempting to NOT to have to introduce lethal force. Now I understand that it is terrible sense and utterly foolish to use a warning shot into the air in a residential neighborhood, obviously, but the very least they could do is say “the law is only to be enforced if a person is injured or killed by said warning shots”.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

Didn’t a guy named O.J. murder a white woman and walk away a free man. Oh, wait he was found innocent by a court of law. He must not have done it. [/quote]

I think OJ did it not that it matters now. To me the whole thing isnt really about race but more gun violence and abuse of power. George should have stood down and let the cops do their job. Travon should have walked home and filed a complaint if he felt harassed. Both acted wrong. Sure George had a right to defend himself but he should have used restraint and not put himself in that situation.

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Ooooohhh boy.

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xXSeraphimXx wrote:

Are you saying “Guero” is an insult?

Varq wrote:

I’d say it would be hard to consider it a flattering term.

The word guero is a corruption of the word huero, and originates from the phrase huevo huero, or “empty egg”.
An empty egg as it applies to chickens is one that is unfertilized, and thus will never hatch. In humans, it’s a pregnancy that starts out but is spontaneously aborted in about the 12th week. In any case, a huero or guero is someone without substance: a miscarriage.

Calling someone an abortion or a miscarriage on the basis of their skin color seems pretty insulting, in my opinion.

But hey, plenty of people throw around ethnic slurs like “greaser” and “chink” and “raghead” without thinking they are terribly insulting, so no biggie.

I missed this and wanted to say that I would bet big money that you will not find someone offended when called guero/guera, I sure as hell have never met one. It is just a term for a light skinned person. I have been called guero by family members my whole life. Now calling someone Gringo may be a problem…

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Im not gonna read through all this bullshit, this trial and all you people who get so worked up over it and invested in it disgust me, but ill contribute this;

Many of you will view this through a lens of ignorance and see this as racist, but to me this is the best damn 3 and a half minutes of commentary ive seen regarding this whole retarded bullshit media spectacle you’re all so crazy about.

Amen brother, preach on.

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Thats the big picture that what everyone is missing. Probably becuase they arent ethnic or have ethnic kids. But in a nutshell as the father of a black kid its troubling to me. So in my gated comunity I should fear my son being harassed by a non-police officer with a gun. Worst of all my best advice I can give him is stand still if someone approaches with a gun just freeze and be nice.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
So where did all of you get your law degrees from?

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Harvard. Overlapped one Barry Soetero in school, in fact.

And if you care to hunt down my posts, you’ll note the trial (and verdict) played out exactly as I predicted some 8 months or so ago, largely because of the over-charge by the prosecutors. (They should have led with manslaughter with a lesser included of negligent homicide, and then gotten negligent homicide — there was zero evidence of intent, and this blew any credibility they had with the jury. Instead, the chose to grandstand.)

I will also predict that the Justice Department will decline to press charges. The FBI report clearly states Zimmerman was not motivated by racial hate. If they do(and they might because of political pressure), it will turn into a bigger joke than this trial, given that the FBI will get up on the stand and end up being witnesses for the Defense.

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Regarding the verdict:

I am loathe to second-guess this jury or any jury for that matter. They saw the witnesses with their own eyes and could weigh things unfiltered. Dr. Dimao’s and the eye witness testimony all fit Mr. Zimmerman’s story.

Factually, what the jury believed is:

(A) Mr. Martin took umbridge because Mr. Zimmerman was an asshole, so Mr. Martin decided to kick Mr. Zimmerman’s ass and got shot instead

(B) Mr. Martin was a crook and decided to kick Mr. Zimmerman’s ass and got shot instead.

Under either scenario, Mr. Martin was the attacker.

Even under Scenario (A), Mr. Martin was in the wrong, legally.

Let’s assume that is the case, that Mr. Martin was pissed at being singled our by an over-zealous watch idiot. Well, the solution is to go home and file a complaint. It is not “go kick cracker’s ass.”

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I like you, Jew.

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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:

Dark: Looks you just aint gona agree with a muthafuckin person on here unless it fits your views :wink:

That’s what witnesses said. In the tape she said she didn’t want to go outside because of the gun shot.
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… a bunch of purple belt BJJs who get bunched in the face and immediately go back to being a white belt. Thats not an argument. [/quote]

I told you in few posts before that we will have to agree to disagree. You have your opinions on this case as I have got mine.

And by the way, I was a black belt 1st dan in Judo. I’ve trained JiuJutsu, Maui Thai, Karate, Kickboxing, Boxe Francaise and Krav Maga. I was an amateur fighter in my teens. I know exactly what being fucking hit and bashed, lose teeth, break nose and being blue/darker on the face. I know what being in a fight is and, what someone who’s been beat the fuck up looks like. You are now telling me Trayvon got punched in the nose and that’s why his eyes were teary??? Fucking hell! Lol. I don’t remember the autopsy report mentioning a bruised nose or signs of oedema on that kid’s face or nose. Stop reaching, man. Stop that shit.

Now, you’re saying the woman on the phone couldn’t describe who was on top and who was on the bottom, but that’s not what you implied before. You have no proof that Trayvon waited for Zimcunt and jumped him or confronted him. You only want to believe what Zimcunt said. Rachel Jeantel – since she is ‘‘illiterate’’ – her testimony mustn’t count. But thanks the fucking fate that she was on the phone with Trayvon that night! Trayvon walked faster, even though she told him to run. He was fucking scared, worried about a fucking creepy motherfucking racist stalker pig.

All the drugs, fights, flipping the fingers, blah blah… don’t teens, (from all races), do that shit? Does that kind of behaviour make them thugs or gangsters? Or does that only apply to black kids? Trayvon’s knuckles showed no sign of struggle. He never touched that fat bastard. For a tough motherfucker on webcams pics, damn, what a fucking bitch Trayvon was in that ‘‘fight’’ for sure!

You know what? I’ve fucking gone back and forth about all of this in several threads and, I ain’t going to do this again. You’ve got your views on that case, and, you clearly stand with Zimfuck.

Let’s fucking agree to disagree on this.

The fat fuck killer is free. Two parents are mourning the loss of their innocent, unarmed child.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

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Can I ask you an honest question? I’m not trolling at all, promise. I do actually want to know what you think here:

What now? Honestly, deep down, what do you want to see happen now? Small scale, big scale, short term, long term, how ever much detail you are willing to take the time to explain, but what now?

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You really piss me off most times but I will answer.

What now?

I’m taking my business out of Miami first. I love that city like I love pussy but no money of mine is going for a racist Amerikkkan state any more.

Then, I should expect at this point blacks who live in florida, and who are not felons, to go and legally buy themselves a gun…because that racist jury has given people like Zimms the OK to kill any black kid, teen, male or female on sight and then claim self defense…stand your ground = lynchings.

Shit like Zims acquittal happens for a reason. Trayvon is dead. Yeap. There is no bringing him back. But his death does not have to be in vain. This unfortunate incident will perhaps be the catalyst to get people in correcting inequities in the judicial system.

Fuck, maybe not!

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

I missed this and wanted to say that I would bet big money that you will not find someone offended when called guero/guera, I sure as hell have never met one. It is just a term for a light skinned person. I have been called guero by family members my whole life. Now calling someone Gringo may be a problem… [/quote]

Okay, if you say so :slight_smile: I for one don’t take offense if somebody calls me guero, gringo, yanqui or whatever. When I was in Japan I used to wear a T-shirt that said Yabanjin, which has the connotation of “hairy barbarian”, and was the standard term for foreigners before the (somewhat) more neutral term gaijin came into vogue. Throughout my travels I have also been referred to as a farang, a bule, a gwailo and an ang mo. Until the speakers realized I could understand them and speak their language. Then they got kind of embarrassed. You can’t insult someone unless that person chooses to be insulted.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Yeah, but your opinion ignores reality.

This trial was not about ameliorating your butthurt, it was about a question of law and the prosecution asked a very specific question.

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My opinion ignores reality? What reality are you talking about? The reality of The jury comprised only of whites who let another white fucker go? The defence that made sure to dehumanize an innocent black kid? Would you also say Zimfat’s supporters ignore his lies and inconsistencies? Yeaah. Let’s put the sole blame on the prosecution and Trayvon Martin.

And fucking lol @‘‘Butthurt’’. Butthurt about what? So wanting a murderer who was let go on the night he killed somebody by a police department, to be brought out to justice, equals to being butthurt now? Butthurt about a black kid being killed by a racist cunt? Really??? Wow.

Lmfao! Why am I even surprised? You’re an Austrian after all. The fuck you care about equality of all races.
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You are debating like a child.

Look at the definition of 2 nd degree murder, that was what the prosecution tried to make stick.

Plus, if your definition of racial equality is that people are locked up for life justr because a mob of whatever color is howling for blood I do indeed not care for it one bit.

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Serious question. If parents were in such a mourning state, why did the mother trademark her son’s name before or during the trial?

I know my mother would not put that at the top of her list (or even on her list) if I were in fact to die.

Also, the pictures provide a possible indication of the character of the individual. Wasn’t there also a picture where he had a handgun? Isn’t it illegal to own a handgun before the age of 21 - it is in my state, maybe not the case in Florida, I don’t know. If it wasn’t his, let’s assume it was his parents’ gun. Shows a lack of responsible parent care for their son to 1) have the gun in possession and 2) to be posting photos of him with the gun “gangsta” style.

I know for a fact I didn’t do any of the above as a teen/young adult. Many children don’t. Only wannabe’s, try hard’s, and scum. Pick which one the deceased was, I won’t judge either way.

Kindly tell me why this is about race? The instructor who taught Zimmerman the self-defense class was a black man. He seemed on good terms with Mr. Zimmerman, in fact, I believe he waved at him while on the stand. Let’s not try to make this a “race” thing, it shames all nationalities involved. Its the media that’s fed this idea. If you want it to be murder, let it be murder. If you want it to be profiling because a kid was wondering through a neighborhood dressed like a hoodlum at dusk/dark (in a neighborhood that had been recently having issues with theft) then so be it. If you want it to be that Zimmerman was an idiot, fine. But it has nothing to do with race.

One more item to consider. Wasn’t it two to three weekends ago there were some 30 murders/homicides in Detroit in one weekend? Why is no one upset about that? Why isn’t that all over the news? Is that an acceptable thing because it was more than likely crime committed by the same race against its own people? I see equal issue with any kind of killing/murder. But if it was self defense, and that’s what was found in court, then self defense it was. Perhaps we should remove emotion from the topic and think logically. There has been too much romanticism and exaggeration by the media for ratings, and I see way too many mis-informed people (on both sides) getting angry because they don’t know all the facts.

Also, and I think this has come up a few times. Are you female or male Ninjaa, because I am significantly confused by your posts. Not necessarily prudent for this conversation but it makes it hard to address you as I don’t know whether to say him/her, or he/she. No biggy either way.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
This thread has become a pissing contest.

DN is not talking anymore but rather running a monologue. If I had to base my opinion on black people off you I’d be a racist, fortunately I have many black friends who are upstanding people that I respect. [/quote]

Your first post here and you just talk about me? What about the rest of the black posters who’ve had a take on the issue?

Is it because you can’t stand my opinions? Is it because I won’t back down and I am not scared to offend you and say things that make you uncomfortable? Is it because I won’t chuck and jive like the rest of your black ‘‘friends’’?

I couldn’t give one thousands of fucks about your fucking opinion of me. I won’t lose sleep over it. You’re a fucking irrelevant internet entity. You should see me the same and stop being affected by the shit I write on here.

Put me on ignore if the stench of my shit offends you that much.

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so because my friends don’t share your view their all of the sudden inferior?

what a vile bitch

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I missed all of this due to my lack of tv watching and ability to care.

Could someone let me in on why EVERYONE is so upset?[/quote]

Interesting there was a 46 page thread full of bitching and moaning, a part 2 yet they still chose to ignore this question.

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I am still waiting for some more real responses.

It sure seems like a lot of emotion from people when none of you were related to those involved.[/quote]
I’m not upset.

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[quote]orion wrote:

You are dedebating like a child.

Look at the definition of 2 nd degree murder, that was what the prosecution tried to make stick.

Plus, if your definition of racial equality is that people are locked up for life justr because a mob of whatever color is howling for blood I do indeed not care for it one bit. [/quote]

And you’re debating like a fucking Austrian who doesn’t give a fuck about a black American child killed by a happy trigger white asshole, who got away with it!

Did you follow the trial at all? Did you know the prosecution actually brought Manslaughter charges toward the end? The jury had three options and they went for acquittal.

Yes, the prosecution fucked it up with 2nd degree murder, but Manslaughter was there to be grasped. Zimcunt didn’t have to spend his life in prison as justice for Trayvon Martin. Zimfat could have spent 15-20 years in jail with no chance of parole, but even that option was ignored by the fucking jury.

But the fuck should you care, O? It’s not your precious white child who was fucking shot dead and the murderer let go. You don’t have to fucking worry about the future of black kids walking around and being followed and killed by some happy trigger cunt, who can then later just claim he stood his fucking ground.

Fuck that, you don’t even have a child!

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[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

what a vile bitch
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Mmm… music to my ears. I wish I could cry over it right now.

I bet you’ve been dying to throw this at me all day, uh, you cunt?

I’ve told you, if you can’t stand me, put me on ignore. But it looks like your dumbfuck ass seems to enjoy going back and forth with me. Why torture yourself? Go spend time with your chuck and jiving friends. You know? The type that says all the nice and comforting things you loooove to hear from the ‘‘house slaves’’.

Todaloo, motherfucker!

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http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/five-moments-may-led-george-zimmermans-acquittal-104927773.html

Five moments that may have led to Zimmerman’s acquittal.

Thought this one was particularly interesting:

"The words of Trayvon Martin’s father were also used to undermine the prosecution’s case. A key battle in the trial was over who was heard screaming for help in the background of a 911 call before the fatal shot was fired. Martin’s family insisted the voice was their son’s voice, while Zimmerman’s parents told the court it was Zimmerman screaming.

Serino testified that when Martin’s father, Tracy Martin, first heard the tape he said it was not Trayvon. “He looked away and under his breath said, ‘No,’” Serino told the court.

A second police officer gave a similar description of Tracy Martin’s reaction to the tape."

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:

Dark: Looks you just aint gona agree with a muthafuckin person on here unless it fits your views :wink:

That’s what witnesses said. In the tape she said she didn’t want to go outside because of the gun shot.
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… a bunch of purple belt BJJs who get bunched in the face and immediately go back to being a white belt. Thats not an argument. [/quote]

You are now telling me Trayvon got punched in the nose and that’s why his eyes were teary??? [/quote]

Pretty sure he was insinuating that getting mortally wounded(shot in this case) may make one cry as they lose consciousness and life. The tears are easily explained; I’d expect the vast majority of 17 year olds suffering from gunshot wounds to cry.