[quote]carbiduis wrote:
In what scenario would it have been ok for Zimmerman to shoot/kill treyvaughn ?
How far is that from what actually happened?
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Irrelevant.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
When the attacker is white, and the victim is black, they seem to be a little better at STRICTLY looking at evidence.[/quote]
I mean, I linked a story, from Florida where a white dude shot a man fucking his wife, and he got away with it. And another link of a young Black man that was acquitted of 1st degree murder charges as well. I also linked Casey Anthony.
My point being, it isn’t so cut and dry.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
When Clinton did the studies that showed that Affirmative Action was needed in the early 90’s that showed blacks getting less fair treatment in housing and on the job, did you fault him for it? Should he have been better off pretending that it didn’t exist and wasn’t happening?
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No, there are very specific people screaming and those people stand to gain from it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You don’t expect the man in charge of one of the most racially fueled countries in the world to comment on race or cultural background?[/quote]
No, I don’t.
It would be one thing if he wrote an open letter yesterday and talked about race in America. But they way he did it was wrong.
The 1990’s aren’t 2013. 20 years in the internet age is a long time.
I’m not saying racism is gone, nor that everything is perfect, but it is significantly better than it was then, and will continue to get better if we let it.
That said, Clinton would be the last person on my list of people one should trust. One doesn’t give a justification for Byrd if they don’t empathize with him. I would caution anyone from trusting someone who empathizes with anyone that high up in the KKK.
If Zimmerman were Black, would Martin’s race still be an issue?
[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah, but your opinion ignores reality.
This trial was not about ameliorating your butthurt, it was about a question of law and the prosecution asked a very specific question.
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My opinion ignores reality? What reality are you talking about? The reality of The jury comprised only of whites who let another white fucker go? The defence that made sure to dehumanize an innocent black kid? Would you also say Zimfat’s supporters ignore his lies and inconsistencies? Yeaah. Let’s put the sole blame on the prosecution and Trayvon Martin.
And fucking lol @‘‘Butthurt’’. Butthurt about what? So wanting a murderer who was let go on the night he killed somebody by a police department, to be brought out to justice, equals to being butthurt now? Butthurt about a black kid being killed by a racist cunt? Really??? Wow.
Lmfao! Why am I even surprised? You’re an Austrian after all. The fuck you care about equality of all races.
Dark: if you listen to the 911 tapes of neighbors calling and descibing the fight they said it, not the parties invovled. The legal defense proved it as well. You can hear zimmerman crying like a bitch in the background.
Martin wasnt small, 17 is pretty close legally to an adult, he wasnt a small kid by any standard.
I dont know who the fuck “you all” are. Zimmerman is guilty of killing someone, self defense arguement aside, he did kill a person, a human being, I see a problem with that. In the same token I do not think Martin had it in him to kill Zimmerman. Zimmerman should be legally held responsible fo killing.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
The reality of The jury comprised only of whites who let another white fucker go? [/quote]
lol, you are straight making up “facts” at this point. So Hispanic = white now?
And lets not pretend the prosecution doesn’t have the ability to effect the makeup of the jury…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
This guy killed a white dude in his 30’s. Does that mean my life is worth less because the shooter didn’t go to jail?
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Just wondering if there is a double standard or not…
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Dark: if you listen to the 911 tapes of neighbors calling and descibing the fight they said it, not the parties invovled. The legal defense proved it as well. You can hear zimmerman crying like a bitch in the background.
Martin wasnt small, 17 is pretty close legally to an adult, he wasnt a small kid by any standard.
I dont know who the fuck “you all” are. Zimmerman is guilty of killing someone, self defense arguement aside, he did kill a person, a human being, I see a problem with that. In the same token I do not think Martin had it in him to kill Zimmerman. Zimmerman should be legally held responsible fo killing.
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Sorry I don’t understand what you mean by ‘‘the neighbours describing the fight, they said it…’’.
Are you saying the neighbours definitely saw Trayvon beating the shit out of Fatfuck? I thought the neighbour said she didn’t want to go outside. She could see people struggling in the dark outside but she never mentionned a young kid was on top on some motherfucker, bashing his head on the concrete.
Are you sure that was Fatmankilla’s voice in the background? Do you believe it’s him because it sounded like an adult man crying or because Fatbitch said he was him, and his family said so?
I believe that was Trayvon. The screams were more teen like. The kid had dried tears on his face, for fuck’s sake. Why would he be crying if he was the one who was not fearing for his life?
I believe 17 is still a minor in the States, right? Still a child, not yet an adult. People say Trayvon was around 6 foot. He was 5’11 and skinny. His friends called him ‘‘slim’’. But according to some people, no, he must have been one tough, thuggish, high, motherfucking negro with oversized fast twitch fibers, who decimated a weak, untrained white MMA student.
Lol. I mean, come the fuck on.
Let’s just agree to agree to disagree on this, Hips.
So where did all of you get your law degrees from?
Blanket statement 1:
Half of you should quit with this thread, because you’ll NEVER, and I mean NEVER convince the other side that you’re right and that they’re wrong. But…don’t. I find it amusing.
Blanket statement 2:
You all get your information about the trial from the media yet you harp on the media for being shitty. So which is it?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
The reality of The jury comprised only of whites who let another white fucker go? [/quote]
lol, you are straight making up “facts” at this point. So Hispanic = white now?
And lets not pretend the prosecution doesn’t have the ability to effect the makeup of the jury… [/quote]
Oh yeah. Because ALL the 6 women were Hispanic. HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
And hispanic is a race now. Hahahahahahaha!!
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Oh yeah. Because ALL the 6 women were Hispanic. HAHAHAHAHAHAH![/quote]
They certainly weren’t all white now were they, and neither is Zimmerman…
[quote]And hispanic is a race now. Hahahahahahaha!!
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and Hispanic = white now. hahahahahaha!!
I’m really pleased, I’d like to think this is a sign that were swinging back from the excessive political correctness of the last 20 years.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
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Can I ask you an honest question? I’m not trolling at all, promise. I do actually want to know what you think here:
What now? Honestly, deep down, what do you want to see happen now? Small scale, big scale, short term, long term, how ever much detail you are willing to take the time to explain, but what now?
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
So where did all of you get your law degrees from?
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Harvard. Overlapped one Barry Soetero in school, in fact.
And if you care to hunt down my posts, you’ll note the trial (and verdict) played out exactly as I predicted some 8 months or so ago, largely because of the over-charge by the prosecutors. (They should have led with manslaughter with a lesser included of negligent homicide, and then gotten negligent homicide — there was zero evidence of intent, and this blew any credibility they had with the jury. Instead, the chose to grandstand.)
I will also predict that the Justice Department will decline to press charges. The FBI report clearly states Zimmerman was not motivated by racial hate. If they do(and they might because of political pressure), it will turn into a bigger joke than this trial, given that the FBI will get up on the stand and end up being witnesses for the Defense.
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Regarding the verdict:
I am loathe to second-guess this jury or any jury for that matter. They saw the witnesses with their own eyes and could weigh things unfiltered. Dr. Dimao’s and the eye witness testimony all fit Mr. Zimmerman’s story.
Factually, what the jury believed is:
(A) Mr. Martin took umbridge because Mr. Zimmerman was an asshole, so Mr. Martin decided to kick Mr. Zimmerman’s ass and got shot instead
(B) Mr. Martin was a crook and decided to kick Mr. Zimmerman’s ass and got shot instead.
Under either scenario, Mr. Martin was the attacker.
Even under Scenario (A), Mr. Martin was in the wrong, legally.
Let’s assume that is the case, that Mr. Martin was pissed at being singled our by an over-zealous watch idiot. Well, the solution is to go home and file a complaint. It is not “go kick cracker’s ass.”
JewBacca, I thought the “Mr.” or “Ms.” was applied to a last name only if the individual is still living.
“One of the jurors who acquitted George Zimmerman of killing Florida teen Trayvon Martin said she believed Martin threw the first punch in their confrontation and that Zimmerman probably feared for his life before shooting Martin.”
I believe 17 is still a minor in the States, right? Still a child, not yet an adult. People say Trayvon was around 6 foot. He was 5’11 and skinny. His friends called him ‘‘slim’’. But according to some people, no, he must have been one tough, thuggish, high, motherfucking negro with oversized fast twitch fibers, who decimated a weak, untrained white MMA student.
Dark: Looks you just aint gona agree with a muthafuckin person on here unless it fits your views 
That’s what witnesses said. In the tape she said she didn’t want to go outside because of the gun shot.
If you have ever seen or heard a fight or even domestic dispute in person, most people don’t describe details well. They stop using nouns, just adverbs. Probably didn’t say “young kid” because in the rain and dark he didn’t look like a young kid. Video tape doesn’t even make him look like a young kid. Plus the infamous hoodie, the MLK no wheres,
which btw really!!! I mean holy fuck, people are associating a teen who was wrongfully shot to the great martin fucking luther king??? America…what the fuck…And why in every city is MLK blvd like one of the most dangerous streets…digressing…
You ever heard or seen someone getting beat up, or face bashed? they make some weird sounds. Are you really telling me a teen who was kicked out of school for drug/para possession, flipping off webcams, telling his girlfriend hes gona go get a cracka, was just overtaken? Not looking for trouble? Some how wound up on top and got shot? Trust me, I don’t care where you live, if a large Hispanic or white guy or fat fucking dude starts stalking you, natural reaction is to fucking split! Not walk up and confront him, who the fuck does that?
Tears on his face? Again have you ever been in a fight or an attack, people cry on both sides, you get punched in the nose, your eyes water. you get shot…your eyes are more than likely gona water.
5’11…6ft we are shaving inches now. Slim, paul, john who gives a shit. Loco isn’t loco because hes loco. What the hell is a Tupac?
Also, if the white community is saying he is Hispanic then why is only the black community saying he is white? His own instructors said he was a bitch wannabe mma bullshitter. Ill show you a bunch of purple belt BJJs who get bunched in the face and immediately go back to being a white belt. Thats not an argument.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
and Hispanic = white now. hahahahahaha!![/quote]
I think that technically TB is right. Hispanic is a culture not a race.
james
This thread has become a pissing contest.
DN is not talking anymore but rather running a monologue. If I had to base my opinion on black people off you I’d be a racist, fortunately I have many black friends who are upstanding people that I respect.