Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

For the record my main two guns are a 9m and a .380 subcompact which would be concidered small and my dick is extra medium.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

Didn’t a guy named O.J. murder a white woman and walk away a free man. Oh, wait he was found innocent by a court of law. He must not have done it. [/quote]

Well, he isn’t free…and one of the main reasons he got off back then was the huge social/racial backlash of all of those decades where blacks were thrown head first into the correctional wood chipper.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

Didn’t a guy named O.J. murder a white woman and walk away a free man. Oh, wait he was found innocent by a court of law. He must not have done it. [/quote]

Well, he isn’t free…and one of the main reasons he got off back then was the huge social/racial backlash of all of those decades where blacks were thrown head first into the correctional wood chipper.

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He is free from the conviction of murder. He is in jail for armed robbery and kidnapping.
Cool example bro.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

Reading your posts are like a hot cup of refreshing intellectual coffee. [/quote]

Thanks.

I’m really trying to be fair here, and am really taken aback by the not guilty on manslaughter. I still contend had the state gone after a lessor more appropriate charge Zimmerman would have done time.

He isn’t guilty of murder, but I just can’t get past some parts of his story. I really wish the shitty media had been less shitty, as it would help clear up the clusterfuck this case has been.

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Air: I agree and yes I do believe those to be incorrect thoughts as well.

In my dealings I see groups of people hold themselves back/down. Everything is fair until its unfair. Women believe they are suppressed and not equal, Mexicans = same, blacks = same, whites = same. African American elected president, twice, major victories considered “for the race.” Teen gets shot in Florida all of sudden a group of people are not equals. It tilts back and forth so often I get dizzy.

If someone does rise they are considered 1 in a million, yet there is equality except with it comes to the majority of the race or its players. I know a lot of people brought up Michael Vick as being unfairly prosecuted but the dude drowned and electrocuted puppies…now makes millions every year…in a city that laid of a large % of the public school teachers…priorities I suppose (and yes I was living in Philly at the time.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

Didn’t a guy named O.J. murder a white woman and walk away a free man. Oh, wait he was found innocent by a court of law. He must not have done it. [/quote]

Yeah and how many OJs are out there?

Lol. I love it how OJ has become the ‘‘reason’’ why, the argument used in order to justify Zimmercunt being set free for murdering an unarmed innocent child.

I guess, it’s a payback for some white folks, uh?

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Dark: Sorry I cannot, I don’t study law cases, especially criminal trials. I cant name other “whites/Hispanics” who have also gotten off scott-free.

A lot of prisons are full of innocent black men. I will fully agree with that. Most are filled with innocent people in one form or another. Nothing I can do about that. I train a lot of LEO, some white, some black, people break laws, people get arrested. Some are accused.

who were the real bad guys indeed. Im sure several people have been accused of crimes they’ve never commit, like Jews in Germany, Japanese in USA interment camps. Its happened before. In pervious posts I stated that I was racially profiled 3 times over seas, two of which were at gun point. I am very used to being judged like a cover.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Lie to yourself all you want but you can not think without feeling. [/quote]

lol, okay.

So you think #2 in my list is the case? Angela Corey is a racist?

Do I understand why you think this is some giant racist conspiracy? Is that what you are asking me?

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

That’s exactly what I said in one of my posts and I’ll say it again: that case’s verdict has opened the gates for any asshole who feels entitled to follow, stalk and shoot any black kid they see as a thug, especially if the kid is not complying with being interrogated by someone who has no authority whatsoever.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

Didn’t a guy named O.J. murder a white woman and walk away a free man. Oh, wait he was found innocent by a court of law. He must not have done it. [/quote]

Well, he isn’t free…and one of the main reasons he got off back then was the huge social/racial backlash of all of those decades where blacks were thrown head first into the correctional wood chipper.

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He is free from the conviction of murder. He is in jail for armed robbery and kidnapping.
Cool example bro. [/quote]

It really is a good example…because even though many LOVE to bring that up as an example of a black man who got off free, society made damn sure he never was “free” at all and put him right back in jail as soon as possible.

You do not see the same social reaction across the board in reverse.

Simply put, using that one example…which looking back happened PURELY because of all of those decades of it NOT happening, makes little sense.

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Please stop saying he murdered a child.

Fact is: Martin went back around to approach Zimmerman, he attacked Zimmerman, he was beating his ass, he was shot.
I don’t know of anyone who has really confronted someone “stalking” them. Most people fucking split, especially if you are a kid, at night, in the rain, being followed by a large Hispanic/white male.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

Didn’t a guy named O.J. murder a white woman and walk away a free man. Oh, wait he was found innocent by a court of law. He must not have done it. [/quote]

Well, he isn’t free…and one of the main reasons he got off back then was the huge social/racial backlash of all of those decades where blacks were thrown head first into the correctional wood chipper.

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He is free from the conviction of murder. He is in jail for armed robbery and kidnapping.
Cool example bro. [/quote]

It really is a good example…because even though many LOVE to bring that up as an example of a black man who got off free, society made damn sure he never was “free” at all and put him right back in jail as soon as possible.

You do not see the same social reaction across the board in reverse.

Simply put, using that one example…which looking back happened PURELY because of all of those decades of it NOT happening, makes little sense.

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So you are telling me that OJ is in jail because society made him commit armed robbery to steal his Jersey? Really?

And I bet Zim will have no ‘societal’ pressures or problems with ever getting a job again, walking alone in public etc.

Zim’s life is over, and it should be, I agree with Beans that they should have pushed for manslaughter from the start but of course this had to turn into a race vendetta and go after Murder in the 2nd degree.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

So you are telling me that OJ is in jail because society made him commit armed robbery to steal his Jersey? Really?
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Dear God…looking for crayons now. No offense, but the flat boarded way some of you see what is written gets to be a tad infuriating.

No, one of the reasons he even had to give a shit about a jersey was because he was flat broke from all of the other law suits and public humiliation.

One thing leads to another. He was branded a criminal by all of society no matter what the court said…

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And I bet Zim will have no ‘societal’ pressures or problems with ever getting a job again, walking alone in public etc.

Zim’s life is over, and it should be, I agree with Beans that they should have pushed for manslaughter from the start but of course this had to turn into a race vendetta and go after Murder in the 2nd degree. [/quote]

His life is over…just like OJ’s was over.

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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Please stop saying he murdered a child.

Fact is: Martin went back around to approach Zimmerman, he attacked Zimmerman, he was beating his ass, he was shot.
I don’t know of anyone who has really confronted someone “stalking” them. Most people fucking split, especially if you are a kid, at night, in the rain, being followed by a large Hispanic/white male. [/quote]

How do you know Martin went back? Oh, is it because Zimfatkilla said so? Well, since the other party in the ‘‘fight’’ is dead, everything that fat cunt said must have been the absolute truth even when it was proved he had lied about the events on that night.

Trayvon was beating his ass? No blood, no DNA of the fat fuck was found on Trayvon. The kid was right- handed, but nothing was found on his chuckles. Have you seen pictures of him dead? The traces of dried tears on his face? That really shows that that kid was really crying and laughing while beating the shit of a fat cunt’s ass, uh?

Actually scrap that. All of this has been discussed ad nauseaum. You believe what you want.

Zimmercunt is free and this is what most of you wanted.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am too…but I get the impression that the “implications” only extend as far as people’s personal experience. That would mean not all implications are even being accepted.[/quote]

Well the implications I was referring to were whether this sparks changes to self defense laws or stand your ground laws. Whether it sparks even more guns grabs and violations of citizen’s second amendment rights.

The other portion of this I find fascinating is if it leads to any changes in the way we, as a society, start to react to similar violence in poor neighborhoods, not just gated communities. I’ve read some of the statements made by some protestors quoted by AP and the like that are very, very positive and thought provoking.

I’d like to see this snowball into us actually caring about things that matter, but I’m old enough to know that won’t happen, as sad as it is.

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I think this is bordering on self righteousness. [/quote]

I don’t think so. I hold the most powerful man in the world to a hirer standard than any other human being. I don’t think there is a POTUS I can’t find fault in, lol. This isn’t an I hate Bam thing. It is an I expected more thing.

I look at it like this: If he were my son, and he said that, would I be proud? The answer is no. I feel like it was the wrong thing to say. Particularly given the way he has handled foreign policy.

And that weight is unfair. He isn’t a Black POTUS, and is a POTUS. The color of his skin became irrelevant as to (at least my) judgment of his governance and leadership record the day after he made his first acceptance speech. Obama’s election is a hallmark in American history and should be (and will be) celebrated for decades to come.

We have literally come a very long way to elect an admitted pot head, let alone a Black man to the highest office in the land. I personally think he has done a poor job, because every single thing I supported him for in 2008 turned out to be a total and complete lie, but that is on me for believing a politician in a lot of ways.

Black or White his interjection into the case in that manor was poor leadership. He should be above all that non-sense, particular before anything goes to trial.

I have come to realize I often have the minority opinion when it comes to Bam, so this doesn’t surprise me.

It was unprofessional to the office.

And what racial implications? Society’s? The media’s? Obama’s?

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Well, it is funny you say this…yet expected the president to be INHUMAN with his response to it.[/quote]

No, I expected POTUS to not mention his or anyone’s race or cultural background when or IF he commented at all.

Yes I have high expectations of the most powerful man on Earth, sorry if that makes anyone uncomfortable.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

But most of all, it is a very complicated case that is hard to remove emotion and bias from while talking about, so it makes for a fun discussion about an uneasy topic. [/quote]
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Not everything has a bias to every person, but if there is a bias the only way to remove it is to acknowledge it.

Prejudging, profiling is not bad by itself. It’s natural and almost a stupid thing not to do. Being recklessly and intentionally racist is when things go wrong. By this I mean a person who sees someone they think is a thug because of their race and chases them down with a gun with no cause, or closing your ears during an interview because you assume his people are dumb as rocks is racist.

On occasion (this case) passive racism can be just as bad. When you say to yourself because the kid is black I’m looking at EXACTLY what’s presented to me and not using my common sense you are being passively racist.
Best example I can give is fiction but same premises. The movie crash white lady get’s car jacked because she made a decision to not be prejudice because the people she was approaching were black. That was stupid, and racist. You use your commonsense regardless of race if you see some trouble makers.

This is not as complicated as the media and others are saying it is. Trayvon is dead, Zimmerman had the gun, we only have to use common sense to decide if there’s reasonable doubt that it was self defense. Since most are complaining that the media portrays him nicely lets use a grown man say he’s an adult.

  1. If someone told you Your friend hauled ass to another entrance why would you think he did it?
    a)He just committed a crime and saw a cop?
    b)The guy pulled a gun on him.
    c)A bomb
    d) I can’t think of any reason I open to suggestions.

  2. he saw him running, do you think he would have got out of his car, gave chase, caught up to him with a gun(hidden) tap him on the shoulder and say “Hi I’m the nieghborhood watch guy I just wanted to know why you were out running away from me?”

3)He saw somebody he thought was a criminal. That he planned to stop, and chased him down but kept his gun hidden until he used it?

Do you have to put 2 and 2 together yes. The key is how willing were they to do that. Did ANY possible thinking go on. A large number of cases are missing some form of evidence the only thing that makes a person guilty is how the jury puts the little evidence together. When the attacker is white, and the victim is black, they seem to be a little better at STRICTLY looking at evidence.

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In what scenario would it have been ok for Zimmerman to shoot/kill treyvaughn ?

How far is that from what actually happened?

(I only heard a couple days ago that Zimmerman called police before getting out if his truck to approach Treyvaughn…I was on the fence about it before this, after I heard this…why not just stay in the truck and wait for police? What’s the harm in that you aren’t in any immediate threat)

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

No, I expected POTUS to not mention his or anyone’s race or cultural background when or IF he commented at all.

Yes I have high expectations of the most powerful man on Earth, sorry if that makes anyone uncomfortable. [/quote]

I don’t have time right now to go through all of what you wrote…but this here stood out.

You don’t expect the man in charge of one of the most racially fueled countries in the world to comment on race or cultural background?

When Clinton did the studies that showed that Affirmative Action was needed in the early 90’s that showed blacks getting less fair treatment in housing and on the job, did you fault him for it? Should he have been better off pretending that it didn’t exist and wasn’t happening?

It is amazing that someone like you claims his race is a non-issue…when society is screaming otherwise.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
I am upset that a mother and father had to lose their child in order for my black friends that do all the can to avoid being “black” to be reminded their and their kids lives have a much lower value then their counterparts.

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How in the world does the prosecution’s failure to prove its case amount to this?[/quote]

The prosecution would not have failed had the kid been white. Not because the evidence would’ve been different but because how they view it would’ve been different. You and other cohorts can act like you have no bias but you do, it’s evident years before this trial. I’ve seen enough posts to know. Your mindset is also the majority in America so those with your bias’s are more likely to be on a jury. A black kid that smokes marijuana will always be a thug, a white kid who smokes can be president one day. A thug was attacking Zimmerman, a white kid would’ve been defending himself. I’m pretty sure you’ll say all this is not true, but there’s decades of cases supporting this. Which all amounts to one thing, if someone goes out and kills a black person(regardless of race) there’s significantly less penalty then killing others except dark skin hispanic.

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First of all Obama did weed AND blow and he kind of is president right now.

Second, you are right.

Had that kid been white Zimmerman might not have walked.

Because in that case the prosecutor would not have seriously overreached with a murder charge he had no way of macking stick, especially with the witnesses that he had.

Alas, the kid was black, much public butthurt ensued and Captain Justice thought that he could make a name for himself by nailing Zimmerman.

And you know what it really is that Zimmerman walked?

GOOD.

Because it should not be easy to lock someone up for life.

In fact, it should be really, really hard.

Which is why a FUCKING PROSECUTOR SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT CARDS HE ACTUALLY HAS BEFORE STORMING IN ALL GUNS BLAZING.

If there ever comes a day when you can lock someone up forever with little else but conjecture and an illiterate, bored Haitian THAT would be really, really bad.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

The prosecution would not have failed had the kid been white. Not because the evidence would’ve been different but because how they view it would’ve been different. You and other cohorts can act like you have no bias but you do, it’s evident years before this trial. I’ve seen enough posts to know. Your mindset is also the majority in America so those with your bias’s are more likely to be on a jury. A black kid that smokes marijuana will always be a thug, a white kid who smokes can be president one day. A thug was attacking Zimmerman, a white kid would’ve been defending himself. I’m pretty sure you’ll say all this is not true, but there’s decades of cases supporting this. Which all amounts to one thing, if someone goes out and kills a black person(regardless of race) there’s significantly less penalty then killing others except dark skin hispanic.

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Bravo!!!.

Well fucking said!!

And there is no point going back and forth with them. They’ll throw the typical smoke screen tactics at you.

They have their opinions, you have yours, I’ve got mine.

We’ll all have to agree to disagree on many points.

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Yeah, but your opinion ignores reality.

This trial was not about ameliorating your butthurt, it was about a question of law and the prosecution asked a very specific question.