Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
the majority of North America IS UNEDUCATED[/quote]

Did you really mean to call out an entire continent?[/quote]

I said the majority, not all. [/quote]

Right…the majority of an entire Continent?

Usually you would decry a Country…like…you however are lumping Mexico, The United States of America and Canada into one giant derogatory statement.[/quote]

I know what North America is. I stand by what I said. Based off my life experience, this is my view point. If you have an issue with how I feel, prove me wrong.[/quote]

I disagree with you. American’s as a group are not stupid, they are ignorant. There is a vast difference between an uneducated individual and low information individual.

The overwhelming majority of this country has some form of public/private or professional education. The problem is that is it. They spend their free time watching tv(4 hours a day on average, which is 1/4 the waking hours of the day, 1/2 of they awake non working time) and dicking around instead activities involved with gaining knowledge like reading or real life experiences.

What you have is a nation of educated people who still know nothing yet feel qualified to give an opinion.

Sorry for the moderately off topic tangent but it explains alot of the people here. [/quote]

I apologize. I should have been more clear. I don’t equate having a degree or “an education” with being educated.

For me, educated means an individual who seeks to not be ignorant. Educated is someone (probably) like yourself, that will take the time to research what is necessary to understand the workings of the legal system , remove all prejudice and any biased opinions, and objectively look at what happened and use that to infer an opinion. THAT is educated.

However, if I am using the term, “uneducated”, incorrectly, then I apologize and I take back what I said; I am stating that most of North America is ignorant.
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A great man told me once that what you are describing is called intellectual curiosity and it is a rare but beautiful thing.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

The prosecution would not have failed had the kid been white. Not because the evidence would’ve been different but because how they view it would’ve been different. [/quote]

Sure about that?

Maybe Florida just elects/hires shitty lawyers… Just maybe.

Although

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/Eutsay_Behind_Bars_Again_120562304.html

Maybe, the facts in the case were just that, facts.

This guy killed a white dude in his 30’s. Does that mean my life is worth less because the shooter didn’t go to jail?

Of course, we all have biases. That doesn’t change any facts, or the simple fact the prosecution failed to present a case that convicted Zimmerman.

What are you trying to imply here?

Oops, you forgot this is 2013, and Obama, the POTUS, was elected twice, and has admitted to smoking quite a bit of weed in his young life.

This is your bias showing.

I don’t think Martin was a thug. Nice try putting words in my mouth, your the second person who’s tried to do that.

If Zimmerman initiated the physical altercation, then yes, Martin was defending himself and Zimmerman should go to prison. I’ve said this many, many times now.

[quote] Which all amounts to one thing, if someone goes out and kills a black person(regardless of race) there’s significantly less penalty then killing others except dark skin hispanic.
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You don’t think, you feel.

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[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
I disagree with you. American’s as a group are not stupid, they are ignorant. [/quote]

Are you talking North or South Americans? Or both?[/quote]

People from the United States. I know nothing of Canadian’s and their culture and spend alot of time in south america. South America is backwards, their citizens are informed and intellegent but their government is ignorant, go figure.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Would you care to explain how you take emotion out of reasonable? [/quote]

By thinking rather than feeling.

Again, through thought and consideration of factual information.

The standard of reasonable doubt is a good one for its intended purpose. That purpose being that we have a system that is supposed to let 1,000 guilty people go rather than imprison a single innocent person.

This system is not perfect, and it has been shown in the past to be totally FUBAR. The case of Hurricane Carter comes to mind. So, here in 2013, one of three things happened:

  1. the prosecution failed to prove their charge
  2. The prosecution and state’s attorneys are all racist
  3. All 6 of the jurors are racist

You pick which ever one fits your narrative best.

Do you understand why the founders set up a system of trial by jury in the first place?

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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Air: I am solely asking for an opinion but do you think this “never going win mentality” holds down a particular said group of people?
For instance: Mexicans will never be allowed rights of America or given citizenship. Any middle easterner will be profiled.
Im not talking specifically of stereotypes but certain people belonging to certain races carry a belief that they will “never be allowed.”

It hasn’t been addressed but there are famous cases of African Americans getting off for crimes, OJ being an example.

It seems every time a case like this or other is brought to Americas attention all of a sudden there is no fair trial.[/quote]

That’s racist

To think a whole race would react the same and be effected the same way by anything is a racist way of thinking about something.

“Never going to win” is the same as “I’ll never be 320lbs 5% bodyfat” Doesn’t mean person A will stop trying, doesn’t mean person B won’t give up.

Everything in this world can be flipped at any given minute, and that’s how I look at everything.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Would you care to explain how you take emotion out of reasonable? [/quote]

By thinking rather than feeling.

Again, through thought and consideration of factual information.

The standard of reasonable doubt is a good one for its intended purpose. That purpose being that we have a system that is supposed to let 1,000 guilty people go rather than imprison a single innocent person.

This system is not perfect, and it has been shown in the past to be totally FUBAR. The case of Hurricane Carter comes to mind. So, here in 2013, one of three things happened:

  1. the prosecution failed to prove their charge
  2. The prosecution and state’s attorneys are all racist
  3. All 6 of the jurors are racist

You pick which ever one fits your narrative best.

Do you understand why the founders set up a system of trial by jury in the first place?

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Reading your posts are like a hot cup of refreshing intellectual coffee.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

I am upset that a mother and father had to lose their child in order for my black friends that do all the can to avoid being “black” to be reminded their and their kids lives have a much lower value then their counterparts.

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See what I was thinking, was that case has opened the gates for any asshole who feels entitled to follow, stalk and shoot any black kid they see as a thug, especially if the kid is not complying with being interrogated by someone who has no authority whatsoever.

After all, according to some fuckers, it was Trayvon’s own fault he got killed. He should have replied, ‘‘hello sir, hello massa, please don’t shoot me, massa, please continue to follow me, Massa…’’.

The worry of a mother, of a sister or a wife will be magnified 10x every time a brother leaves the house, a father, uncle, cousin, friend. Saturday night was a very clear message that racism is still very much alive and relevant in Amerikkka. Some White people will try to say that race had nothing to do with this decision, and I believe otherwise.

Those 6 women couldn’t look at Trayvon as their son, they could not empathize with Sybrina and the loss of her son because he was Black - plain and simple. The prosecution did a fabulous job by humanizing Trayvon in the closing arguments and rebuttal. But that wasn’t enough for those women. They couldn’t put themselves in Sybrina’s shoes and feel her pain and sorrow. Instead, they empathized with Zimmerman and his White family and their “pain.” The defense played up on the seemingly inherent fear that White people have of Black youth and Black males specifically.

Zimmerman definitely had a jury of HIS PEERS. They let him walk scot free. However, it was Trayvon who WAS on TRIAL, not Zimmerman, and unlike Zimmerman, Trayvon was without a defense team and without the opportunity to defend himself. This is the sad reality of this case.

RIP Trayvon.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

That’s racist

To think a whole race would react the same and be effected the same way by anything is a racist way of thinking about something.

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Wrong, try again, unless of course you are a self admitted racist and/or apologist.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

I am upset that a mother and father had to lose their child in order for my black friends that do all the can to avoid being “black” to be reminded their and their kids lives have a much lower value then their counterparts.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

I didn’t say I hate North America. I said the majority of people in North America are ignorant retards. Someone needs to beef up their reading comprehension.
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Do you find this to be the case in Canada as well? Canada, of course, being the largest country in North America (by land area, anyway).
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Yes. Recently where I live there was a huge uproar concerning oil drilling and potable water reserves in the soil. I won’t go in to detail but what people were complaining about was a complete non-issue. You have idiots rioting and destroying cities cause someone lost a sports game? You have to understand that due to proxy and relations, a lot of the American news is Canadian news. A lot of people in Canada watch FOX news, CNN, etc.

edit: For what it’s worth, I spent 15 years in Europe (Germany, Italy and France), about 6 years here in Canada, and 3 in the U.S.A. .

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Would you care to explain how you take emotion out of reasonable? [/quote]

By thinking rather than feeling.

Again, through thought and consideration of factual information.

The standard of reasonable doubt is a good one for its intended purpose. That purpose being that we have a system that is supposed to let 1,000 guilty people go rather than imprison a single innocent person.

This system is not perfect, and it has been shown in the past to be totally FUBAR. The case of Hurricane Carter comes to mind. So, here in 2013, one of three things happened:

  1. the prosecution failed to prove their charge
  2. The prosecution and state’s attorneys are all racist
  3. All 6 of the jurors are racist

You pick which ever one fits your narrative best.

Do you understand why the founders set up a system of trial by jury in the first place?

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Lie to yourself all you want but you can not think without feeling.

I don’t live by YOUR made up rules in your head, I see very much all 3 things happened.

The real question is do you understand why? Obvious not if you think all reason is the same.

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so If an actor quotes MLK in a movie, its just a “hollywood stars opinion”??

and all the bullshit that political figures spew is non-fiction/hard facts??

lol ok

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
the majority of North America IS UNEDUCATED[/quote]

Did you really mean to call out an entire continent?[/quote]

I said the majority, not all. [/quote]

Right…the majority of an entire Continent?

Usually you would decry a Country…like…you however are lumping Mexico, The United States of America and Canada into one giant derogatory statement.[/quote]

I know what North America is. I stand by what I said. Based off my life experience, this is my view point. If you have an issue with how I feel, prove me wrong.[/quote]

I disagree with you. American’s as a group are not stupid, they are ignorant. There is a vast difference between an uneducated individual and low information individual.

The overwhelming majority of this country has some form of public/private or professional education. The problem is that is it. They spend their free time watching tv(4 hours a day on average, which is 1/4 the waking hours of the day, 1/2 of they awake non working time) and dicking around instead activities involved with gaining knowledge like reading or real life experiences.

What you have is a nation of educated people who still know nothing yet feel qualified to give an opinion.

Sorry for the moderately off topic tangent but it explains alot of the people here. [/quote]

I apologize. I should have been more clear. I don’t equate having a degree or “an education” with being educated.

For me, educated means an individual who seeks to not be ignorant. Educated is someone (probably) like yourself, that will take the time to research what is necessary to understand the workings of the legal system , remove all prejudice and any biased opinions, and objectively look at what happened and use that to infer an opinion. THAT is educated.

However, if I am using the term, “uneducated”, incorrectly, then I apologize and I take back what I said; I am stating that most of North America is ignorant.
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A great man told me once that what you are describing is called intellectual curiosity and it is a rare but beautiful thing. [/quote]

It’s the bare minimum that should be done if that individual dares to demand someone be condemned to a life in prison.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

That’s racist

To think a whole race would react the same and be effected the same way by anything is a racist way of thinking about something.

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Wrong, try again, unless of course you are a self admitted racist and/or apologist.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

I am upset that a mother and father had to lose their child in order for my black friends that do all the can to avoid being “black” to be reminded their and their kids lives have a much lower value then their counterparts.

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You should look up the word “wrong”. When your mom told you you came out wrong it wasn’t a compliment.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

The prosecution would not have failed had the kid been white. Not because the evidence would’ve been different but because how they view it would’ve been different. You and other cohorts can act like you have no bias but you do, it’s evident years before this trial. I’ve seen enough posts to know. Your mindset is also the majority in America so those with your bias’s are more likely to be on a jury. A black kid that smokes marijuana will always be a thug, a white kid who smokes can be president one day. A thug was attacking Zimmerman, a white kid would’ve been defending himself. I’m pretty sure you’ll say all this is not true, but there’s decades of cases supporting this. Which all amounts to one thing, if someone goes out and kills a black person(regardless of race) there’s significantly less penalty then killing others except dark skin hispanic.

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Bravo!!!.

Well fucking said!!

And there is no point going back and forth with them. They’ll throw the typical smoke screen tactics at you.

They have their opinions, you have yours, I’ve got mine.

We’ll all have to agree to disagree on many points.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

My response: I’m not upset at all. I am interested in the implications of this case.[/quote]

I am too…but I get the impression that the “implications” only extend as far as people’s personal experience. That would mean not all implications are even being accepted.

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I find it a gross disrespect to the office of the POTUS that Obama would interject his opinion on this matter well before anything was in court, and particularly his race baiting. Why isn’t he saying this kid would look like his son: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/14/this-is-what-a-real-hero-looks-like/ ? Why doesn’t he talk about the innocent people he condones murdering daily with drone strikes? [/quote]

I think this is bordering on self righteousness. I am aware of the fact that this country has never had a BLACK president before and I a also aware of the massive weight being placed on the first man in that position. I didn’t find any fault with his comment. Was it emotionally fueled? Yes. Was it “unprofessional”? No, it wasn’t. He didn’t disrespect anyone with his comment and his comments were more related to the RACIAL IMPLICATIONS that it would seem some here would rather ignore completely.

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I find the media’s obsession with this case as curious as a pair of tits on a seesaw. I don’t understand the motive they have or why they insist on making someone guilty in the court of public opinion.[/quote]

Mob mentalities are en vogue today. I don’t watch much media. Problem solved for me.

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But most of all, it is a very complicated case that is hard to remove emotion and bias from while talking about, so it makes for a fun discussion about an uneasy topic. [/quote]

Well, it is funny you say this…yet expected the president to be INHUMAN with his response to it.

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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:

It hasn’t been addressed but there are famous cases of African Americans getting off for crimes, OJ being an example.

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Can you tell me other blacks who got away with murder? There must be a thousands of them for sure!!! Or was it only OJ?

But damn, the prisons are full of innocent black men, because of a supremacist system which uses statistics to create inherent fear of black people and further a fucking stereotype.

Shit, until recently innocent black Americans prisoners were released after spending decades in prison for murders they never committed. I wonder who were the real bad guys…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

When people use the comments of largely UNEDUCATED POP STARS to laugh at the mentality of the population as a whole, I see a problem with it.[/quote]

This is truly infuriating. The celebrity worship in this country is out of hand. You could get a music star, movie star or sports start to tell people to eat their own shit, and the number of people you’d see with brown teeth would be astonishing.

But… It won’t matter what you or I say about it. The low information thinking people will look to these people as saviors and leaders…
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Ya no kidding.

I read Katty Perry is upset by the verdict, proves America is racist…Fuck off with that Perry. Just sit there and be relatively hot. No one gives a shit about your opinion. Just thrown them big ol boobs out there some more.

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Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

The prosecution would not have failed had the kid been white. Not because the evidence would’ve been different but because how they view it would’ve been different. You and other cohorts can act like you have no bias but you do, it’s evident years before this trial. I’ve seen enough posts to know. Your mindset is also the majority in America so those with your bias’s are more likely to be on a jury. A black kid that smokes marijuana will always be a thug, a white kid who smokes can be president one day. A thug was attacking Zimmerman, a white kid would’ve been defending himself. I’m pretty sure you’ll say all this is not true, but there’s decades of cases supporting this. Which all amounts to one thing, if someone goes out and kills a black person(regardless of race) there’s significantly less penalty then killing others except dark skin hispanic.

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Bravo!!!.

Well fucking said!!

And there is no point going back and forth with them. They’ll throw the typical smoke screen tactics at you.

They have their opinions, you have yours, I’ve got mine.

We’ll all have to agree to disagree on many points.

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lol I agree. My comments on this case are more for lurkers then the people I quote.

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

Didn’t a guy named O.J. murder a white woman and walk away a free man. Oh, wait he was found innocent by a court of law. He must not have done it.